Wrangler
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Distracts themselves from the much scarier act of self-examination.
attacking another denomination are included in this rule.
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BeyondET
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I agree we're probably not going to see a national restoration of the Jews/Israel....it appears that those comments by Paul in Romans 11 were addressing and correcting a wrong belief that Jews (individually) weren't eligible for salvation. But I have a hard time viewing that vulgar comment/attitude by Martin Luther as being of the Lord. It comes across to me as being self-righteous.
Yes, Jesus rebuked the Jews, but only their spiritual leaders who were leading them astray....we don't see Him speaking that way to ordinary Jews that I know of. And then there is that He was God, and we are not. ;)
And just want to add that Jesus wasn't dishing out a malicious insult to those Pharisees....He was rebuking and stating a true fact. If we have God's spirit, we are His children...when we were lost souls we had the spirit of the serpent (also known as the spirit of the world) and thus were his children.
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Philip James
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Um, no. Alexandria and Constantnople and the Bishops with them have valid authority.
Where is the 2000 year old apoostolic community that has any other practice?
'every planting not of my Father will be uprooted'
Pax et Bonum
No.
John 1:12 John 3:16
John 3:36
John 18
Acts 16:31
Romans 10:9-10
Romans13
Ephesians 2:8-9
Philip James
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Hello Blue Dragonfly,
All lovely verses, but not none bearing on valid authority in the Church.
Here's another good one:
They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.
If we are not partaking of the ONE loaf and the ONE cup that Jesus gave to the apostles where are we?
You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!
Pax et Bonum
You're right. Those lovely verses strip the authority of the church.
Because the church denies faith alone by God's grace alone saves eternally.
Is Catholicism a false religion? Is Catholicism a cult? | GotQuestions.org
Because the church denies faith alone by God's grace alone saves eternally.
Is Catholicism a false religion? Is Catholicism a cult? | GotQuestions.org
Grailhunter
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The sheep and shepherds are two different kinds of people. Two different purposes and even though the shepherds are there to protect the sheep, they are not always going to see eye to eye. The sheep can say, the shepherd is too hard on the wolves.
How many military men and women have come back home and are called killers.
Here on the forum if you say the truth....some will say it is too harsh.
When I first got on this forum the Calvinists were circling the ladies like wolves.....Notice you do not see too many Calvinist women on the forum....there is a reason for that. They were using big red threatening letters to condemn the women. Since their religion does not have a leg to stand on, it did not take me long to get them to back off. And yes I was mean and yes I drew the attention of the mods even though they could see what they were doing to the ladies.
If you confront evil....you can be told to be more loving.....should we be more tolerant to those that blaspheme God?...Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. Hebrews 3:12... hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1st Corinthians 5:5 This last verse is about adultery which pales in comparison to blaspheming God. And shaking their tree is not as harsh as saying a prayer to turn them over to Satan.
There are some on this forum that take Christianity seriously.....So some of the responses are going to be stern at times.
What are we going to say to someone that is preaching that Yeshua was just a man? The terms cult, heretic, and anti-Christ can be loose terms. But then some cross that line were there is no mistake....they are preaching evil, they are preaching something that Satan would support. What does Christ think when we are tolerant of such things? What is worse supporting abortion or preaching Yeshua was just a man. Both are horrendously evil! But denying the Deity of Christ is worse. As for as I am concerned, in both cases if you are tolerant of it, you support it. Remove the evil from among you.
Then again there is the ignore button....Lord knows I use it enough.
How many military men and women have come back home and are called killers.
Here on the forum if you say the truth....some will say it is too harsh.
When I first got on this forum the Calvinists were circling the ladies like wolves.....Notice you do not see too many Calvinist women on the forum....there is a reason for that. They were using big red threatening letters to condemn the women. Since their religion does not have a leg to stand on, it did not take me long to get them to back off. And yes I was mean and yes I drew the attention of the mods even though they could see what they were doing to the ladies.
If you confront evil....you can be told to be more loving.....should we be more tolerant to those that blaspheme God?...Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. Hebrews 3:12... hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1st Corinthians 5:5 This last verse is about adultery which pales in comparison to blaspheming God. And shaking their tree is not as harsh as saying a prayer to turn them over to Satan.
There are some on this forum that take Christianity seriously.....So some of the responses are going to be stern at times.
What are we going to say to someone that is preaching that Yeshua was just a man? The terms cult, heretic, and anti-Christ can be loose terms. But then some cross that line were there is no mistake....they are preaching evil, they are preaching something that Satan would support. What does Christ think when we are tolerant of such things? What is worse supporting abortion or preaching Yeshua was just a man. Both are horrendously evil! But denying the Deity of Christ is worse. As for as I am concerned, in both cases if you are tolerant of it, you support it. Remove the evil from among you.
Then again there is the ignore button....Lord knows I use it enough.
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Philip James
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I see, so of instead of answering my questions or addressing my scripture you decide to launch a smear campagin.. Interesting..
I guess we're done here..
Pax et Bonum
Not a smear campaign at all. Those verses countered yours. Because you come at people here claiming the supremacy of the church overcomes the faith of other Christians.
Your smear campaign,and that of others who insist the RCC doctrine is superior to what scripture actually says, is false.
Yes, you're done when you put anything before Christ's saving grace alone.
Philip James
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Slander and lies rather than adressing the points raised?
Seems this is degenerating quickly into a good example of this threads main theme.. In any case, your unwillingness to engage in true dialouge is enough for me, welcome to the ignore list..
Pax et Bonum
Well said.
Yes, there are those who deny the deity of Christ.
He was a mere man.
Then they insist they, and for good reason after that bit of blasphemy of God's holy spirit,insist they have to perpetually repent of their sins. Or lose their salvation.
We can't lose what is not in our possession.
We also can't presume holy spirit blasphemers are Christians led astray either.
Some may be. However, never underestimate the ravenous wolf/troll factor.
My apologies to wolves for insulting wolves by equating troll kind with them.
Those type love to enter forums like this. And passionately argue counter to actual gospel.
They get a kick out of us trying to reach them. When they know that will never happen.
They're pathetic.
Grailhunter
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Debates can be heated and especially religious debates.
But even the general rules are that you do not get personal....I try to stay away from the word "you" LOL You dirty rotten scoundrel! Or you demon spawn!
Pointing out the facts about denominations can be taken personnel but as far as am concerned if the shoe fits....wear it.
I agree with the general rule of debate in keeping it impersonal.
However, I also notice when there is a deviation from debate and toward personal attack on the character of Christ, that can become personal when other avenues of correction have failed.
And let's face it, in being perfectly blunt. We know trolls aren't on the Internet to debate by the rules.
Grailhunter
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How many Christian wars? How many wars between the Catholics and the Protestants? Wars between the Catholic Church and the Muslims...the Crusades. America's confrontation with the Muslims go back to the event in Tripoli when America was a young nation.
It is hard not to take it personal when a denomination attacks the character of God.
Some do it to get a "rise" out of the faithful....those I put on ignore.
It is hard not to take it personal when a denomination attacks the character of God.
Some do it to get a "rise" out of the faithful....those I put on ignore.
There only one denomination that seeks and is working toward global authority over not only churches, but secular governance as well. Should we not protest and be specific concerning such a threat from an historically known protagonist?
"You don't make Christians in a laboratory. A Christian is part of a people who is called a church. And this church makes the Christian on their day of baptism, understood? (We could discuss this particular nonsense... That the church is what makes a Christian... Until the cows come home, but that's not the topic here) but no-one, no-one, becomes a Christian by themselves... You cannot love God outside of the church; you cannot be in communion with God without being in the church. (Aleteia. Reporting Pope Francis on June 25 2014, Vatican Desire Address.)
"As Benedict XVI has affirmed... To manage the global economy, to revive economies by the crisis: to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis... To bring about integral timely disarmament, foods security and peace, to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration; for this there is the urgent need of a true world political authority. (Section 175, Laudato Si)
Climate change is a global problem whose solution will depend on our stepping beyond national affiliations and coming together for the common good... Religious institutions (read Vatican) can and should take the lead in bringing about the change in attitude towards creation. (Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences April 2015)
When a supranational common good is clearly identified, as in the case of climate change,... It necessitates a special legal authority capable of facilitating solutions.
(The Common Good has become Global, May 2 2019, Pope Francis).
When any religious institution starts to speak about a global authority having teeth to enforce policy, which Benedict has advocated previously, particularly in the realm of enforcing a "climate Sunday" which conducts a Commandment of God, and also power over global finance, we need to discuss. With quotes like the above.... And there are more available... This should capture anyone's interest in end time events and to heck with people's over sensitive egos. What is taking place now in international politics and the direction governments all over the world are taking, and the alliances bring made behind the scenes but which various insiders have spoken of, (and yes, we are discussing the greatest potential conspiracy of all time... To take over the planet) far outweighs religious sensitivities.
KJV Revelation 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
While this is off topic it won't hurt to see the goals of Islam and how poorly the West has responded. And yet no lessons have been learned from history. Islam's goal has always been to dominate the world and establish a worldwide Caliphate and they have almost succeeded. In the past Muslims and Turks had almost overrun Europe. But that lesson from history was ignored by the feckless, ignorant, and arrogant Western politicians.
1. There was no need for the West to go into either Iraq or Afghanistan. History had already proved that no Western nation can conquer Afghanistan, nor remain in that barren land. The Greeks, the British, and the Russians all had to go away in utter defeat. But the arrogant American politicians and stupid generals poured billions (perhaps trillions) into a land which hates the West. And we have all seen how America under Biden suffered an ignominious defeat from the Taliban. Hundreds of thousands of lives were lost for nothing and Americans were abandoned by their government.
2. Pakistan was always the enemy of the United States (and India), yet the stupid politicians and generals made Pakistan an "ally" so that all their efforts could be undermined by ISI (the Pakistani intelligence service), which actually worked with the Taliban against the West. At the same time more billions of dollars went to Pakistan but the suffering Pakistanis did not benefit in the least. Just a handful of corrupt Pakistanis at the top.
3. Iraq was a colossal disaster based upon a big "WMD" lie. But instead of walking away from Iraq, the West dug down and entrenched itself there, while the Iraqis were destroyed and embittered against the West. Once again, hundreds of thousands of lives were thrown away, and trillions of dollars went down the drain. This led to the formation of ISIS and the resulting barbarism and brutality.
Now we have the same stupidity being displayed in Ukraine. This was a totally unnecessary war created by the Biden administration to distract people's attention from the total disaster which has taken place under Biden at home. But there was a secondary agenda, which was to impoverish America while throwing billions of dollars into Ukraine (when absolutely no Ukrainian will benefit from this idiotic war). Could it have been avoided? Absolutely. The Western powers aligned with NATO simply needed to sit down with Putin and give him a written guarantee that Ukraine would not become a part of NATO. At the same time, had there been a real president in the WH, he would have personally sat down with Putin one-on-one and told him that one move against Ukraine would mean the total destruction of the Kremlin (and meant it). That is the only language Putin understands.
Wrangler
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Correcting someone who is in error of God's Truth and His Commandments is something that must be done in love.
If you are exposing
false teachers, prophets, or witnesses then you should be certain they are false. There is a difference between the false servants whose teachings align with the antichrist and denominations who believe in what their church teaches about the Bible.
As you so often point out the RCC...I have met some truly anointed members who attend the Catholic church and they live righteously....so to just say RCC without being specific as to which Catholic Church you are referring to? It is lumping all Christians of the Catholic faith into one big melting pot....
There are as many offshoots of the RCC who are still Catholics just as there are of the Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian....and on and on....and the offshoots have different doctrines than the original church....see what I am getting at?
Now any person who posts anything contrary to God's Word are banned...and I believe the team has done a decent and fair job of dealing with such members. Blasphemy is a lifetime ban. Now don't confuse members of other denominations who have different doctrines and how they interpret scripture with heretics and blasphemers.
And lastly, what purpose are you seeking when correcting someone? Do you truly love them as a brother and desire to see them saved from deception and ignorance? To see them grow more in the Wisdom and Knowledge of His Word?
The Apostles taught us how to correct a brother in love and their example is what we.should follow.
James 5 (KJV)
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¹⁹ Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
²⁰ Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
“If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”
— James 1:26 (KJV)
2 Timothy 2 (KJV)
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²⁴ And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
²⁵ In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
²⁶ And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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