Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[face2face]

You've made your remarks to the wrong member. My posts do not encompass those points.

#208

 

[PinSeeker]

Thanks for the scriptures....

You're welcome. :)

The question is; what would the boy on the island do....physically do?

Why don't you answer your own question, GrailHunter, since you know what you're "fishing" for?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Pearl]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

I don't understand the question. Is it a trick?

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ, though tempted in every way just as we are (Hebrews 4:15), never committed a sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 3:5). The apostle Peter stated it clearly: “He committed no sin and no deceit was found in His mouth” (1 Peter 2:22). Indeed, as Jesus Christ is God, He has no capacity to sin.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

#208

Yes, that's my post.
No mention of Trinity. No angel theology.

As I said, you addressed your remarks to the wrong person.

 

[Taken]

Jesus was born with a condemned nature.

Eh, no.

 

[PinSeeker]

Where was sin condemned?

You're asking the wrong questions, F2F. Trying to make your narrative fit, it seems. So be it.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I don't understand the question. Is it a trick?

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ, though tempted in every way just as we are (Hebrews 4:15), never committed a sin (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 3:5). The apostle Peter stated it clearly: “He committed no sin and no deceit was found in His mouth” (1 Peter 2:22). Indeed, as Jesus Christ is God, He has no capacity to sin.

Great post. Romans 8.
Romans 8.

 

[face2face]

1 Peter 2.
Jesus' father was God, not Joseph.
Jesus was God.

Trinity

He did not have a condemned nature because he was not born to sin.
Satan could attempt to tempt him.

Fallen angel theology

Right post.

 

[face2face]

You're asking the wrong questions, F2F. Trying to make your narrative fit, it seems. So be it.

Grace and peace to you.

Is this because you cannot answer the question?
2 Corinthians 5:21 if Jesus was made sin to mean he was made flesh for us, where in Jesus was sin condemned?

 

[Grailhunter]

You're welcome. :)


Why don't you answer your own question, GrailHunter, since you know what you're "fishing" for?

Grace and peace to you.

Just trying to get people to think....sorry?

As I have said all along….theological words and phrases that are not in the Bible, as a whole are wrong, partially wrong, or a complete deception. Without even looking into, if you assumed that theological words or phrases that were not word for word in the Bible, were deceptions….you would be right 99% of the time. Meaning they were promoted by someone or some group to deceive Christianity. How many lies have been taught to unsuspecting Christians?

So we are addressing the phrase “sin nature” here directly and the doctrine of “Original Sin” indirectly. So since neither of these phrases appear in the Bible….they are placed under the microscope and investigated thoroughly knowing that usually these type of phrases are non-biblical and false.

In the first example I tried to get people to think about, was the boy on the island. Well he would not be able to read even if he did have a Bible….no one there to teach him about god…..so what would he do?

What he would do?….Would be along the lines of an intelligent animal.

Now let’s say it was him and his sister that were marooned on the tropical island at the age of 4 years old. What would they do? Would they wear some type of coverings? Maybe….maybe not. Would they have sex? Most likely they would. They would have children and build or make a shelter. In this scenario they would even be more primitive than Adam and Eve. These two do not know God and have not received any kind of direction from God. They might not even have a distinct language.

So we can discuss this. Have they done anything sinful? Have they exhibited a sinful nature? Does anyone think that God would think they had sinned? In the end would they go to hell?

This opens up another topic…speculation, but most will probably say that Christ’s judgment would be the most just and fair. Taking all things into consideration. So what do you think….what would Christ do with these two?

 

[face2face]

Eh, no.

Yes siree bob!
And that's why it can now be said of us Romans 8:1
You say sin wasn't condemned through his death therefore you must still be in your sins!
Cant run Taken!

The ignorance in this thread is astounding!!!

God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh Romans 8:3

It's impossible to condemn something in someone if they don't have it to condemn!

His body suffered the natural consequences of sin - Wages of Sin is Death Romans 6:23 - no matter how obedient Jesus was he was going to die!

The gruesome crucifixion declare God to be right to put that nature to death because its in that nature that sin reigned.

What is astounding is you all cant even talk about God condemning sin - so how far away from you all understanding who God is?

F2F

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Trinity

Fallen angel theology

Right post.

Wrong mindedness.

There was no Trinity in my post. And no angel theology.
If you read the new testament , omit Revelation because it is better understood once you have an understanding of the gospel and new testament books, you'll better understand the faith in Christ.

I wish you the best should you take that sdvice.

 

[PinSeeker]

Just trying to get people to think....sorry?

You mean as if they are not? Are you really sorry? It.... kinda seems not. :)

As I have said all along….theological words and phrases that are not in the Bible, as a whole are wrong, partially wrong, or a complete deception.

Because language is such a great tool, GrailHunter, there are several ways to say the same things. To suppose otherwise is quite ridiculous.

...if you assumed that theological words or phrases that were not word for word in the Bible, were deceptions…

If you assumed such a thing you would be doing yourself a disservice.

...they are placed under the microscope and investigated thoroughly knowing that usually these type of phrases are non-biblical and false.

"Placing them under the microscope and investigating them thoroughly" is all well and good, but forming any preconception of non-biblical-ness and/or falsity not so much; that would be ignorance.

Have they done anything sinful? Have they exhibited a sinful nature? Does anyone think that God would think they had sinned?

It matters not. What does matter is that they have a proclivity to sin, because of Adam's particular sin and being by of Adam rather than of God.

In the end would they go to hell?

If not born again of the Spirit and subsequently repenting and believing, yes. As Paul says in Romans 1, speaking of unbelievers, "what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them... (f)or His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made... (s)o they are without excuse."

This opens up another topic…speculation, but most will probably say that Christ’s judgment would be the most just and fair. Taking all things into consideration. So what do you think….what would Christ do with these two?

We will all end up either on Christ's right or left at the Judgment.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Taken]

Yes siree bob!
And that's why it can now be said of us Romans 8:1
You say sin wasn't condemned through his death therefore you must still be in your sins!

You said:

Jesus was born with a condemned nature.

I said:
Eh, no.

Now you change his birth to death and make some claim for me, that I said nothing about.

Cant run Taken!

Nonsense.

The ignorance in this thread is astounding!!!

Humm, what you just did.

God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh Romans 8:3

Learn what “likeness” means.

Jesus came to Earth, in the LOOK, APPEARANCE, LIKENESS, as a manKIND of thing.

However you should know, ManKIND of things come from the Earth.
Jesus came forth out from God.

A SIN offering has always been required to be PURE.
Jesus’ BODY and BLOOD was PURE.

 

[PinSeeker]

Is this because you cannot answer the question?

No. But it's the wrong question, so no reason to answer it.

2 Corinthians 5:21 if Jesus was made sin to mean he was made flesh for us, where in Jesus was sin condemned?

I can't really make sense of this question, quite frankly, F2F. Except to say that sin, in and of itself, is not the issue, but rather people, who either are or are not in Christ and His righteousness. Persons ~ those on Christ's left at the Judgement ~ will be condemned for remaining in their own supposed righteousness instead of Jesus's. As Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5, yes, "(f)or our sake He (the Father) made Him (Jesus) to be sin Who (again, Jesus) knew no sin, so that in Him (yet again, Jesus) we might become the righteousness of God." In other words, through Jesus's atonement for our sin, His righteousness is imputed to us. You see?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[face2face]

You said:



I said:
Eh, no.

Now you change his birth to death and make some claim for me, that I said nothing about.



Nonsense.



Humm, what you just did.



Learn what “likeness” means.

Jesus came to Earth, in the LOOK, APPEARANCE, LIKENESS, as a manKIND of thing.

However you should know, ManKIND of things come from the Earth.
Jesus came forth out from God.

A SIN offering has always been required to be PURE.
Jesus’ BODY and BLOOD was PURE.

Hebrews 2:17 go away an learn what "every respect means!" & "in all things!"

How did God condemn sin in the body of the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[face2face]

Wrong mindedness.

There was no Trinity in my post. And no angel theology.
If you read the new testament , omit Revelation because it is better understood once you have an understanding of the gospel and new testament books, you'll better understand the faith in Christ.

I wish you the best should you take that sdvice.

Both there present for all to see...you're not alone - millions of you.

 

[Grailhunter]

You mean as if they are not? Are you really sorry? It.... kinda seems not. :)

No, I don't think it is wrong to try to get people to think. I don't put bumper stickers on my truck....but if I did it would say, THINK BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

Because language is such a great tool, GrailHunter, there are several ways to say the same things. To suppose otherwise is quite ridiculous.

It can say anything and but you have to think about weather it is right or wrong. Beliefs, Truths, Facts.

If you assumed such a thing you would be doing yourself a disservice.

Incorrect....not good to be gullible or naive.

Placing them under the microscope and investigating them thoroughly" is all well and good, but forming any preconception of non-biblical-ness and/or falsity not so much; that would be ignorance.

If you are seeking the Truth you stand more of chance of knowing the Truth....The reason I can say they are most likely false is because I have research these things and am standing ready to prove they are false.

It matters not. What does matter is that they have a proclivity to sin, because of Adam's particular sin and being by of Adam rather than of God.

If you say they have sinned....duly noted....I disagree.

If not born again of the Spirit and subsequently repenting and believing, yes. As Paul says in Romans 1, speaking of unbelievers, "what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them... (f)or His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made... (s)o they are without excuse."

They had no idea that they needed to repent....God did not show them anything and so they did nothing worthy of hell.

We will all end up either on Christ's right or left at the Judgment.

I always say that it is above my paygrade to judge whether someone is going to hell or not...And so you nor I can not know which way Christ will Judge.

 

[face2face]

God in raising up a Son in the condemned line of Adam for death passes upon all men....how did God condemn sin through the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's not hard!

 

[face2face]

No. But it's the wrong question, so no reason to answer it.


I can't really make sense of this question, quite frankly, F2F. Except to say that sin, in and of itself, is not the issue, but rather people, who either are or are not in Christ and His righteousness. Persons ~ those on Christ's left at the Judgement ~ will be condemned for remaining in their own supposed righteousness instead of Jesus's. As Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5, yes, "(f)or our sake He (the Father) made Him (Jesus) to be sin Who (again, Jesus) knew no sin, so that in Him (yet again, Jesus) we might become the righteousness of God." In other words, through Jesus's atonement for our sin, His righteousness is imputed to us. You see?

Grace and peace to you.

Hebrews 2:15, ESV: and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.

Do you think this speaks to condemnation?

F2F