The Ten virgins

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins, a Sermon from R.C. Sproul | Listen to Free Sermons from R.C. Sproul at Ligonier.org

 

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Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

oil for the light.

Isa 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.


Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:

10 virgins went out to meet the bridegroom.
5 had oil for light in their lamps, the other 5 did not.

What does the oil represent?
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Psa 45:15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace.

There are sheep and there are goats.

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

just thinking
hugs

 

[VictoryinJesus]

”dont treat those you deem as lost the same way most Christians do” maybe

in another reflection the gate is always open, right? Even though it is still a gate :)
so fwiw, the pearl comes into play there, apparently;
we find it, as in a field, and then we hide it, right

It might be your lost brother who returns from the marriage of the Lamb, who knocks, calling “open”? To me it is significant who is doing the shutting out of the kingdom of heaven. And also the timing because there is a passage…I can’t find it now…where Paul mentions, two names I think, that didn’t want to help or have compassion, but they also wanted to stop others from coming unto them to help. To hinder. Wish I could find that verse. It reminds me…that even then there were those that wanted to shut men out of the kingdom of heaven.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:

but what is the topic there 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

which (Imo) flies in the face of what we turn the ten virgin parable into. “Wise as serpents, gentle as doves”? What is a drought if not “can you lend me some oil”? What is you will be the lender and not the borrower…do we think it is talking about the banking financial institution? Instructions on leading and borrowing?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

what of “He takes the foolish to confound the wise?” See how there is not many mighty or noble?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Regarding the ten virgins…
Not only posting things here, but during morning coffee my husband and I talk about it. He said something else that stands out…
about the Pharisees where they were told
Luke 11:52-54 Woe unto you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. [53] And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: [54] Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in.


you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. (Prevented)

for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

makes you wonder who shuts up the kingdom of heaven when other comes and knock, “the door is now shut, I never knew you.” for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:

He seems to be saying the wise in their own conceit will in the last times be compared to the kingdom of heaven…for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.

For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men
Seems significant with :For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-15But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Always wondered how could those which are alive and remain …not prevent them which are asleep? I think I’ve heard the explanation before that those in graves have father to go then those alive.

Consider it…how can those who are alive and remain, not prevent those who are asleep? As others without hope?

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: In the parable of the ten virgins; who do the virgins represent

REPLY: Ten girls gone wild, i.e. girls that just wanna have fun.

FAQ: What do the lamps represent?

REPLY: Artificial illumination.

FAQ: What does the oil represent?

REPLY: Flammable liquid; possibly derived from bitumen.

FAQ: Who does the bridegroom represent?

REPLY: Somebody's fiancé.

FAQ: Were shops really open till midnight?

REPLY: The Greek word shouldn't be taken to always indicate dead center. It
means other things too, e.g. within, in the midst, and among. In other
words; the most we can get out of that passage is that the bridegroom
arrived sometime after dark.

FAQ: What is the lesson to be learned from the story?

REPLY: Can you keep a secret?

Yes.

So can I.
_

 

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but what is the topic there 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

which (Imo) flies in the face of what we turn the ten virgin parable into. “Wise as serpents, gentle as doves”? What is a drought if not “can you lend me some oil”? What is you will be the lender and not the borrower…do we think it is talking about the banking financial institution? Instructions on leading and borrowing?

Like casting pearls to the swine.

Psalm 23.

Jesus spoke about those who tried to climb in some other way. These 5 foolish were lacking faith. They had no substance in themselves.
No fruit.
Is the workman worthy of his meat?
How can they enter if they have no belief but want to rely on the belief of others to make a way for them?

I hear the same plea for oil. But if they had believed they would of come prepared. But they were fools.
And the interpretation of fool is that they do not believe in God in their heart.

Psa 53:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

hugs

 

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what of “He takes the foolish to confound the wise?” See how there is not many mighty or noble?

But are these fools of the world, or fools for Christ's sake?

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (lamps with no oil)
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. (Go and "buy" and come again)
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. (You can't buy what is freely given)
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Hugs

 

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To me it is significant who is doing the shutting out of the kingdom of heaven.

I've thought about this.
Jesus is speaking to the pharisees and the priests which are there to "teach" the people.
But it seems they are more concerned with collecting tithes than teaching about righteousness and justice.
To me, this would represent the "keys" to the kingdom.
Most of these "keys" are found in the prophets.
It's possible they were more focused on the legalities of the law, then the conditions of the heart.

Just an observation.
Hugs

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I've thought about this.
Jesus is speaking to the pharisees and the priests which are there to "teach" the people.
But it seems they are more concerned with collecting tithes than teaching about righteousness and justice.
To me, this would represent the "keys" to the kingdom.
Most of these "keys" are found in the prophets.
It's possible they were more focused on the legalities of the law, then the conditions of the heart.

Just an observation.
Hugs

ziggy?

Any input on how those who are alive and remain, do not prevent those who are asleep? How could they prevent those who are asleep?

 

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ziggy?

Any input on how those who are alive and remain, do not prevent those who are asleep? How could they prevent those who are asleep?

So looking at a couple other translations, the word "prevent" is rendered as "to go ahead of" or go before those who sleep.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. NKJV

We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.
NLT

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
NIV

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So when Jesus went to Jerusalem after he had risen from the dead, it is said that he released those who had been held captive by death, and when he went to heaven they went with him.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

So now here is where "tradition" and I tend to go our separate ways.
Under the Vatican there are many halls buried deep under the ground. Only certain people are priveledged to ever visit there, and still not able to take pictures, only hand notes.
Think of all these writings, and letters and documents as keys to understanding the Kingdom of heaven.
And yet the Vatican keeps them shut up (imprisoned) from anyone having a chance to learn from them themselves.

These would be writings of the dead. And they are held in their graves until someone or something breaks open the "rocks" catacombs, and sets them free.
I believe the Priests and the Pharisees and Sadducees were keeping locked up under the temple, beneath the rocks, all the writings of the prophets and the psalms.
Jesus asked them on many occasions: Have ye never heard it read?
Could possibly be they never did.

Again we have a tyrannical religion/government what have you, controlling what the people hear and know.
Censorship at it's finest, over many generations.
Jesus told his Mother when he went missing one day in Jerusalem, "know ye not I must be about my Father's business" ?
Well, what business was that? He was reading them the scrolls which either they did not understand, or were kept from understanding.

So when I read that many of the bodies of the saints which slept arose,
to me that means that the scrolls of the psalms and prophets and the law were exposed for ALL to see.
Now that they are out in the open, they are placed in, well we have the Bible. These letters of the saints, the epistles as Paul would call us, not written in stone...
You can't put them back in the bottle. Too many people are witnesses. To many people have heard.
And yet it is this very thing that caused the schism between the Catholic and the Protestant churches.
Claiming only they themselves had understanding to these "keys" spoken in Latin, while everyone else was made just to agree and not read anything for themselves.
We are going through this very same thing today with censorship and disinformation, propaganda and fake news.
They don't want us to know the end game of their plans.
But we know.
In the end, God Wins.

As far as preventing or preceding those who have already died...
at this point everyone who has written anything in the NT is also among those that are asleep now,
and nothing anyone can write to the contrary of what is written, will stand in the judgement.
We are the judges. We read the scripture. We study and we cross reference, we back up the old with the new, with two or more witnesses.
If it's not in the OT I question the NT. Although I find it just takes a deeper study to find the connection.

There are no books that can be written today, that will prevent or precede those who have written the books of yesterday, or the scrolls from yesteryear.
These are recorded in heaven that is, in our hearts and minds.
Even though Peter and Paul have passed on before us, our letters and our books will never have the preeminence before them.
Just as they did not have the preeminence before Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Jonah, Amos, Psalms, The Preacher..
These will always rise first to be judged by those who read them and take them to heart.

Book burnings are coming, if we allow things to keep moving in the direction they are going.
They will claim the bible is hateful and hurtful and offensive and they need to go.
History repeats itself.
But they will not prevent us, though they take our body and our minds, they will never have our soul.
And our witness and our stories will go on, by telling our children and our grandchildren, as Moses was told to reach the children of Israel.
They can burn it, rip it, cut it up with a penknife. But our lives are our story,

and Jesus got that.

Hugs

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So looking at a couple other translations, the word "prevent" is rendered as "to go ahead of" or go before those who sleep.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. NKJV

We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.
NLT

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
NIV

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So when Jesus went to Jerusalem after he had risen from the dead, it is said that he released those who had been held captive by death, and when he went to heaven they went with him.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

So now here is where "tradition" and I tend to go our separate ways.
Under the Vatican there are many halls buried deep under the ground. Only certain people are priveledged to ever visit there, and still not able to take pictures, only hand notes.
Think of all these writings, and letters and documents as keys to understanding the Kingdom of heaven.
And yet the Vatican keeps them shut up (imprisoned) from anyone having a chance to learn from them themselves.

These would be writings of the dead. And they are held in their graves until someone or something breaks open the "rocks" catacombs, and sets them free.
I believe the Priests and the Pharisees and Sadducees were keeping locked up under the temple, beneath the rocks, all the writings of the prophets and the psalms.
Jesus asked them on many occasions: Have ye never heard it read?
Could possibly be they never did.

Again we have a tyrannical religion/government what have you, controlling what the people hear and know.
Censorship at it's finest, over many generations.
Jesus told his Mother when he went missing one day in Jerusalem, "know ye not I must be about my Father's business" ?
Well, what business was that? He was reading them the scrolls which either they did not understand, or were kept from understanding.

So when I read that many of the bodies of the saints which slept arose,
to me that means that the scrolls of the psalms and prophets and the law were exposed for ALL to see.
Now that they are out in the open, they are placed in, well we have the Bible. These letters of the saints, the epistles as Paul would call us, not written in stone...
You can't put them back in the bottle. Too many people are witnesses. To many people have heard.
And yet it is this very thing that caused the schism between the Catholic and the Protestant churches.
Claiming only they themselves had understanding to these "keys" spoken in Latin, while everyone else was made just to agree and not read anything for themselves.
We are going through this very same thing today with censorship and disinformation, propaganda and fake news.
They don't want us to know the end game of their plans.
But we know.
In the end, God Wins.

As far as preventing or preceding those who have already died...
at this point everyone who has written anything in the NT is also among those that are asleep now,
and nothing anyone can write to the contrary of what is written, will stand in the judgement.
We are the judges. We read the scripture. We study and we cross reference, we back up the old with the new, with two or more witnesses.
If it's not in the OT I question the NT. Although I find it just takes a deeper study to find the connection.

There are no books that can be written today, that will prevent or precede those who have written the books of yesterday, or the scrolls from yesteryear.
These are recorded in heaven that is, in our hearts and minds.
Even though Peter and Paul have passed on before us, our letters and our books will never have the preeminence before them.
Just as they did not have the preeminence before Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Jonah, Amos, Psalms, The Preacher..
These will always rise first to be judged by those who read them and take them to heart.

Book burnings are coming, if we allow things to keep moving in the direction they are going.
They will claim the bible is hateful and hurtful and offensive and they need to go.
History repeats itself.
But they will not prevent us, though they take our body and our minds, they will never have our soul.
And our witness and our stories will go on, by telling our children and our grandchildren, as Moses was told to reach the children of Israel.
They can burn it, rip it, cut it up with a penknife. But our lives are our story,

and Jesus got that.

Hugs

first I’m sorry because I never stopped to consider you had a reason for salty cracker. It was just unmistakably your voice, your style of sharing.

thank you for helping with the word: prevent. It makes better sense now with your input. You have calmed me down and now will let this one pass on by, thinking I was making too much of it.

wow …what you shared about the writings! It makes me think of how in churches only certain ones were allowed to read the word. How it was reserved for only certain ones which then interpreted for those within the congregation…the wee little people not privy allowed access but through word of mouth. Yea, thank you. I have to ask …Why do you sit at home? Forgive me if I over step but why not get well, treating the ailment that is holding you back? It is none of my business but you have (I think) a gift that should (not)be kept behind shut doors.

my husband who comes here also …said the other day “she needs to write a book”’. Been there, done that …I can understand why you don’t. But I’m only telling you to let you know you are needful and the perspective you share is so very helpful.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the spirit.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

is it wrong this still reminds me of
Matthew 25:6-14 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go you out to meet him. [7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. [8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so ; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go you rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. [12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. [13] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. [14] For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Question: do you think literal bodies came up?
(Imo) I don’t.

 

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first I’m sorry because I never stopped to consider you had a reason for salty cracker. It was just unmistakably your voice, your style of sharing.

thank you for helping with the word: prevent. It makes better sense now with your input. You have calmed me down and now will let this one pass on by, thinking I was making too much of it.

wow …what you shared about the writings! It makes me think of how in churches only certain ones were allowed to read the word. How it was reserved for only certain ones which then interpreted for those within the congregation…the wee little people not privy allowed access but through word of mouth. Yea, thank you. I have to ask …Why do you sit at home? Forgive me if I over step but why not get well, treating the ailment that is holding you back? It is none of my business but you have (I think) a gift that should (not)be kept behind shut doors.

my husband who comes here also …said the other day “she needs to write a book”’. Been there, done that …I can understand why you don’t. But I’m only telling you to let you know you are needful and the perspective you share is so very helpful.

Thank You Victory.
I am who I am. What you hear in my words is my heart and that doesn't change with the name.
I had to open a new account on Brave Browser to avoid the pop ups. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to use ziggy again, so I just put down what I'm feeling, lightly salted. Slightly abrasive, but with the spice of truth on my tongue.
Whether what I believe is anyone else's truth, is simply a matter of interpretation of how one hears scripture.
As far as sitting at home, I am disabled. I have a blockage in my main artery which reduces the flow of blood to my legs.
It's very difficult to walk, and I get tired easily. I can't stand or sit for long in either position, so finding an occupation that would let me lie down on the job for more than half the day, is hard to find lol.
I have a thread here somewhere called How Sweet It Is. I posted it when I first came here to try explain my situation and to warn people of the dangers of sugar.
The operation to fix the artery is massive. 10 years ago it would of cost $400,000 and about 5 months recovery.
My husband had the same ailment except his was higher blocking his liver and kidneys. He went in for the operation where they literally open you up from collar bone to both inner thighs. Remove the intestines, replace the aorta with a plastic tube and stitch you back up with staples that leave horrible scars. My husband was informed that the procedure was good to last at least 10 years. He passed away last October.
I'm still here. I took care of him hand and foot for 5 months. I have no one to do my shopping, cooking, laundry, petcare, etc..
So I do the best I can with what I got, and so far the Lord has been good to me.

As far as writing a book.
LOL
I feel like I write one everytime I post. Sometimes I think others feel the same.
I also write in the moment of what I'm hearing or understanding, and sometimes that can change and have more clarity.
So writing a book is like making something concrete, although most all of my thoughts are fluid.

Ziggy's Barista is still open.
I figured if I put that in my signature, I wouldn't be such a mystery.

Hugs

 

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Question: do you think literal bodies came up?

The prophecy regarding the dry bones in Ezekiel is very interesting.
Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. (parched, parchment)
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Heb 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The NT sheds light on the OT. It reveals spiritual truths which remained hidden until the Apostles were given the "keys" of knowledge.

2Ti 4:9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
2Ti 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
2Ti 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
2Ti 4:12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
2Ti 4:13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

I believe Demas and Titus are the two you were looking for in a prior post?

The parchments especially, the scrolls. dead man's bones, needing life breathed into them. Which Paul did through his own epistles.
And the OT could not be made perfect without the NT, because they are companion one to the other.

Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.


2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This be Ezekiels vision of the dead bones brought out from the graves, given life, and read among men.

2Co 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

We will not preceed those who have come before. They set the foundation and we build upon it.
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[Davy]

Revisiting the ten virgins
Something that stood out this morning is “they all slept”. I’ve never noticed that before with Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

It never occurred to me before that the virgins were dead … that they “all slept”
It never occurred in connection to if they were all asleep …they were all dead…the significance of “awake you that sleep, arise from the dead…”. This kind of changes (Imo) in connection with some awake unto the resurrection of Life, and some to the resurrection of damnation.
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You are reading too much into it.

The Ephesians 5:3-16 verses is about not following the ways of the children of darkness unto spiritual death. Paul is speaking metaphorically about being 'dead'; it's in the SPIRITUALLY dead sense, not literally dead of your flesh. Even in Ephesians 5:6 Paul is warning about not allowing any man to deceive you.

Eph 5:1-16
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given Himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Paul starts off by teaching what we ARE to follow, involving Christ Jesus above.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Then Paul makes plain those in darkness we are NOT... to follow. He is even telling us to remain separate from those in darkness.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Instead, we are to walk as "children of light" according to Christ Jesus.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Those in Christ are not to fellowship with those works of darkness, but instead rebuke those works (yeah, that means be kind of salty for Christ Jesus against the works of darkness).

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore He saith, 'Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

God used that 'awake' metaphor in His Old Testament prophets, which is where Paul was pulling that from. It means awake from being deceived, because to be deceived is like spiritual death.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
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[bbyrd009]

where Paul mentions, two names I think, that didn’t want to help or have compassion, but they also wanted to stop others from coming unto them to help

dunno why this isnt ringing any bells…might later though

It reminds me…that even then there were those that wanted to shut men out of the kingdom of heaven

well, i doubt that that is a conscious thing believers do; more like finding a pearl in a field and then hiding it, and buying the field, maybe?

“shutting others from the kingdom” has at least two interps, imo…and im not really sure how to bring out the one that does not involve the hope of literal immortality after death, or iow the one that matters lol

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Was it hymenaeus and Alexander? Their trust became shipwrecked and they taught harmful things.

 

[Nancy]

Was it hymenaeus and Alexander? Their trust became shipwrecked and they taught harmful things.

"Hymenaeus (fl. 50–65, 1 Timothy 1:20, 2 Timothy 2:17) was an early Christian from Ephesus, an opponent of the apostle Paul, who associates him with Alexander and Philetus."
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