Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

[Behold]

You are ignorant of Paul’s theology.

I only Teach Paul's Revelation.
Look up Pauline Theology.
It would be good for you to understand what this is, so that you can understand what im showing you.

 

[Behold]

And you are to know that I have not done any of the above.

Did you want to talk more now about how you are working your way into heaven by trying not to sin and by trying to be holy??

Want to post more of that for us?

 

[Taken]

I have already answered the questions to lead the way, until you repent and do likewise, rather than play the Pharisee, I have nothing to do with you in future.

No man, while sinning, can be a born son of God, and not a child of the devil.

True.

No man, while sinning with the devil against God, is born of God.

True.

What do you say.

Repented Long ago.....an elementary beginner knows, repentance is a part of Conversion.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I only Teach Paul's Revelation.
Look up Pauline Theology.
It would be good for you to understand what this is, so that you can understand what im showing you.

I QUOTED HIS WRITINGS TO YOU

 

[Taken]

The unconverted ARE the unbelievers.

Read it again:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

A servant of the Lord is a believer. And this scripture shows that believers can end up in the same fate as the unbelievers!

Well no kidding...I’ve said that repeatedly....

 

[Behold]

I QUOTED HIS WRITINGS TO YOU

You quoted your "How i can lose my salvation" "because i dont trust in Christ to keep me saved", . theology, twistig a verse or so, that Paul wrote.

So, when you come to understand Paul's Theology, you'll immediatley stop trying to replace the Cross with your self effort, theology.
But not until.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Did you want to talk more now about how you are working your way into heaven by trying not to sin and by trying to be holy??

Want to post more of that for us?

Translation:

Did you want to talk more now about what the Bible says how to get to heaven and how to stop sinning according to the Bible to be holy??

Not really, repetition doesn’t work with you guys…

 

[Charlie24]

No.
God is invisible. He changes not.
Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, forever.

Did God exist before He create anything ?
Did Gods word exist before Gods created anything?
Did Gods word exist before a man Knew the Name God gave His word?

Jesus appeared in the Likeness AS a man, expressly so men could see Him.
Spirits Can appear as “things” familiar to Man.
When the Dove sat on Jesus’ shoulder for men to See, was that a Dove, or the Spirit of God?
Did Gods Spirit become ... a new state of being? A new nature? His own created Dove animal? No.

Jesus LOOKED like a “Jewish man”.
Jesus came to fulfill the Law.
Did you know Jews and Gentiles...Laws have been for centuries, a child that comes from from a woman’s womb is ACCORDING TO MANS LAW, that woman’s lawful Child?
The Husband of that woman according to mans Law, this that man’s lawful Child..

Because Jesus came forth from Mary’s womb...a Jew...and Her husband A Jew......OF the House of David......Jesus’ was LAWFULLY, according to mans Law......Gentile Law, the legal son of Mary and Joseph.
And Jewish Law, the legal son of Mary and Joseph......AND...............
ONLY a legal son of a descendent of kind David, of the House of David, CAN LAWFULLY SIT on king Davids Throne....AND further being descended FROM Abraham, Isaac,.......A LAWFUL Heir of Abrahams Promised LAND......AND ONLY God Himself Can Be Head of His OWN Earthly Government....

Jesus.......TOOK UPON HIMSELF, “the seed of Abraham”...
And...WHAT WAS Abraham’s Seed?
Descendent-ship down to David.

It is a mix and separation of what is earthly and what is spiritual.
Jesus had to satisfy the LEGALITIES of both....and did.

Do you know HOW a Gentile Can ALSO be included to Occupy “Abraham’s promised land.....promised TO Abraham’s heirs”?
Same as Jesus did....Take upon themselves the Seed of Abraham.
And it gets deeper.

And that occurs by, through, of “conversion” IN Christ.
Are you Abraham’s seed...Abraham the Hebrew?

Luke 1:
[55] As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
[73] The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb.2
[16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

It’s like a reverse...Jesus ... of sorts became the adoptive son of Abraham. And men ..... of sorts become the adoptive son of God.
A mixing of natural and spirit...By Gods Order and Way, of Declaring.

Brother, I don't want to argue this with you. What we are disagreeing on is whether or not the Eternal Logos became fully human while remaining fully God.

It is my opinion that man trying so desperately to prove that Christ is indeed God, that we have lost sight of His humanity.

These things are hard to be understood in the mind of mortal flesh. What the scripture shows me of Christ is that He was fully human with all the needs that we are faced with. But yet He is God in the flesh, being fully God and Man at the same time.

It is also my opinion that if Christ was not fully human, then He did not qualify as a sacrifice for the sins of man!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So, when you come to understand Paul's Theology, you'll immediatley stop trying to replace the Cross with your self effort, theology.

Here’s Paul theology:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:22-23)

Paul’s theology - You can end up cut off with the unbelievers.

Just like Jesus’ theology:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

There it is again from TWO witnesses!

 

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Is Joe Blow Saved because he believes?

 

[Behold]

Did you want to talk more now about what the Bible says how to get to heaven and how to stop sinning according to the Bible to be holy??

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A "sinner" can't ever be holy by trying.
You're a sinner. You have no holiness, you only have SIN that needs to be forgiven, until you are born again..

When a person turns to Christ, = believing....... then God takes/accepts that Faith, and gives to them, "the gift of Rightesouness".

Notice that God gives it.....they do not work to try to have it, as that is impossible.

Reader.... there is no holiness, unless God gives you HIS.....and that is to be born again.

Now, once we are born again, we are to "present our body as a living sacrifice", and we are to "take up our Cross", etc, Etc. = This is our DISCIPLESHIP, not our Salvation.
Understand.....our Holiness, is not found in our BEHAVIOR.........It is only found when God GIVES HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to us, as "the Gift of Righteousness".

This is : SALVATION. and its a GIFT.. "the GIFT of Salvation".

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Now, once we are born again, we are to "present our body as a living sacrifice", and we are to "take up our Cross", etc, Etc. = This is our DISCIPLESHIP, not our Salvation.

Your Bible editing skills are quite good. This must be what you see when you read this passage:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers” believers.”(Luke 12:45-46)

 

[Behold]

Your Bible editing skills are quite good. )

And you're lack of familiarlty with the righteousness of God, found in Christ, is very revealing.
Its so revealing, that you have no idea that when i keep posting...>"the gift of Rightousness", and "the Gift of Salvation".. that im teaching Paul's Theology.

But, if you like, in your next post, you can respond....>"oh, i knew that"....
Sure you did.

 

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Brother, I don't want to argue this with you. What we are disagreeing on is whether or not the Eternal Logos became fully human while remaining fully God.

It is my opinion that man trying so desperately to prove that Christ is indeed God, that we have lost sight of His humanity.

These things are hard to be understood in the mind of mortal flesh. What the scripture shows me of Christ is that He was fully human with all the needs that we are faced with. But yet He is God in the flesh, being fully God and Man at the same time.

It is also my opinion that if Christ was not fully human, then He did not qualify as a sacrifice for the sins of man!

Okay, we disagree.

Problem with trying to discuss, every aspect ... order / way.... there is always one or two words repeatedly used, whereby the two discussing have completely differing view on what those words mean.

And the biggies....is man/is human/is God.....SIN IS....will be saved, is saved...In Trib./excluded from Trib....Christian...Believer....Converted...
Etc. Conversation just goes in circles, when not on the same page....
And then quickly can turn accusatory, snarky, ugly...like this thread..

This OP has thread after thread with intent to make unsubstantiated claims, dole those claims out on anyone who believe in the Lords secure Salvation and then attacks them for what he has claimed for them.
IDK, weird behavior, maybe Pelosi has relatives that post on this forum.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

im teaching Paul's Theology.

You are being partial in Paul’s theology.

You keep pretending that I’m not posting part of Paul’s theology here:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:22-23)

I don’t expect you to acknowledge this scripture. You are above this passage I guess.

 

[Taken]

Now, once we are born again, we are to "present our body as a living sacrifice", and we are to "take up our Cross", etc, Etc. = This is our DISCIPLESHIP, not our Salvation.
Understand.....our Holiness, is not found in our BEHAVIOR.........It is only found when God GIVES HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to us, as "the Gift of Righteousness".

This is : SALVATION. and its a GIFT.. "the GIFT of Salvation".

Confusing of what you are saying.

Is not salvation... What is THIS is Salvation?

 

[Behold]

Here’s Paul theology:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.!

Let me show you what your verse is teaching., vs, what you are teaching, as its a strong contradiction you are pressing against Paul's doctrine.

Paul's verse says.. (Romans 11)....."if you continue in HIS Goodness."... See that? If you continue...in.....>HIS Goodness"....not yours.

And who is "His", and what is the "goodness" you are to ""CONTINE IN"" ?

"HiS" : is God. And God's GOODNESS< is the mercy of God's GRACE extended to the WORLD as the Cross of Christ, that is John 3:16.

So, the verse says, if you continue in GODS GOODNESS, "HIS"... which is "the GIFT OF SALVATION"< CHRIST ON THE CROSS... then certainly you can't be cut off, as you are become a Child of God, "ONE with GOD". "In Christ". Born Again.

But, if you try to "CONTINUE" to be accepted by God, based on water, works, commandments, lifestyle, then you are not IN God's Grace, so, you can't continue in it, as you are OUTSIFE OF IT...
And you, Michiah"imia< are not teaching GODs' GOODNESS, and "continue in it", as that is SALVATION, by CHRIST ALONE.

You are teaching = YOUR OWN GOODNESS, and YOUR OWN HOLINESS< as your OWN Salvation.

See the Difference ????? , between continuing in GOD's GOODNESS< which is CHRIST on the CROSS, and being BORN AGAIN? vs.... Your type of "im trying to be holy so that i can go to heaven"....which is NOT GOD's Goodness.
Its your own SELF EFFORT., and that is NEVER ACCEPTED BY GOD., as that is the "error of CAIN" that JUDE Teaches about..
Understand...God only accepts CHRIST's GOODNESS, that He has FINSIHED ON THE CROSS, to accept you and me.
And when you have this FROM GOD as "The gift of Salvation", then that is HOW you "continue, in HIS (GOD's) Goodness.

 

[Alfredthefifth]

If boasting of being unholy, unjust sinners, is the result of being born of God with the Holy Spirit from the womb, then I'm glad I wasn't.

No doubt you were born of OSAS God, since you have it down pat: Boast of sinning and accuse the righteous for not sinning.



This one goes to my heroes of OSAS chapter. Really cute.

I don't boast I am a sinfull man because sinfull is the very nature nature of all men.

I do boast that living a life that returns and honor the love that God showered upon all men I have the possibility of sinning less.

One of the greatest Christians that ever lived wrote these things

If they say they have no sin the are deceived and the truth is not in them.

Also

That which I should I do not and that which I shoul not I do.

If Jesus had removed sin from the world we would not need to be told

For it is by grace you are saved through faith, not of works it is a gift of God lest any man should boast.

I have to admit I am a sinner prone by my very nature to sin, the cross and resurrection did not change my nature in anyway shape or form.
But God gives me a chance through his becoming my love for him to sin less. Not never to sin again but to sin less.

You say you got Jesus and sin no more?
What part of being deceived and therefore being a lier don't you understand?

Actually yes I am already forgiven from the possibility of great sins in the future! But loving God is the only prevention. And trying live a life that reflects God love in life is the antidote to sin. Not a perfect antidote because of the sinfull nature of man. But helping me be the best I can be.

You say you are a perfect Christian? WITHOUT SIN?

The bible calls you a lier!

Not me or any man but THE BIBLE!

A Christian

Alfredthefifth

 

[Wrangler]

Peter was a believer, but was not saved when he denied Jesus.

There you go again with the ex post facto.

Is a “saved” person ... also “born again” ?

What relevance does this have?

And what “sin” is a Saved person Capable of committing?

Any and every sin a fleshy person can make.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your type of "im trying to be holy so that i can go to heaven"....which is NOT GOD's Goodness.

“…we should be holy and without blame before him in love…” (Ephesians 1:4)

Your type are contrary to scripture and full of vain speeches.

Paul tells us we should be holy.

Paul tells us we should be without blame.

And you have the nerve to say that preaching sinless holiness is somehow connected to Cain in the book of Jude??

Boy you are leavened to the hilt!

How anyone cannot see your naked scripture twisting is beyond me.