Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

[Michiah-Imla]

the unconverted are not saved, and are not with God, and are with unbelievers.

The unconverted ARE the unbelievers.

Read it again:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

A servant of the Lord is a believer. And this scripture shows that believers can end up in the same fate as the unbelievers!

 

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I am not a fool to argue with those proving themselves insincere in the faith, like Pharisees that would not answer Jesus in a yes/no question, that is at the center of the dcotrine of Christ.

When I am asked any simple yes/no answer, I always do so with a yes/no response first, before offering any reasons for it, if I think it necessary.

No man, while sinning, can be a born son of God, and not a child of the devil.

True.

No man, while sinning with the devil against God, is born of God.

True.

What do you say.

Not sure we have the same meaning of words...
What do you mean by no man, while “sinning”...what is that man doing that is he is “sinning”?

 

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The unconverted ARE the unbelievers.

Read it again:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

A servant of the Lord is a believer. And this scripture shows that a believers can end up in the same fate as the unbelievers!

So what is your point...men who believe ARE SAVED?

 

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This is absolutely absurd! The entire New Testament puts a burden on us to live holy!

Let me show you this...

What the NT does is, .. it reveals the Righteousness of God, as "the Gift of Salvation".
And when you are born again, and understand what it means to be "made righteous", then you no longer try to perform for God, to be accepted.
See that?

So, DISCIPLESHIP, is to learn how to exist in the Salvation that God has given to us, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

HERESY, the main one that is taught, is to try to exist as a imitation of Christ, as your PERFORMANCE that you believe God will accept.
He WILL NOT.

God only accepts a person, based on what CHRIST has Accomplished for them, on the Cross.
God will have us, as His OWN< not becasuse of our behavior, but only because CHRIST has accomplshed a SACRIFICE for us, that God accepts to accept us.

 

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Let me get this straight:
Saying to stop sinning is of Satan.
But saying you will keep sinning is of God?
Do you really believe this?

Do you say that?
Ive never said that, in 200+ Threads, and about 6000 posts.
So, i guess you made that up, Michiah-Imla? ???

Also, you sin and confess your sin.
So, have you stopped sinning?

And do you want to know why you can't?
Its because you are trying to be good to be accepted by God, vs, trusting in CHRIST to receive God's Acceptance.
See that ?
That is "The Law is the power of Sin", holding you as its slave to sin.
Its does this to everyone who believes they can lose their Salvation.

 

[Charlie24]

You are a sinner. Correct?

You are a sinner of the devil? Correct?

When anyone is sinning with the devil, they are a child of the devil, correct?

What was it I said in my first post to this thread, "in one ear and out the other?"

God doesn't disown His sons when they commit sin. He chastens them to bring them back in order.

Man is fallen man with a nature of sinning, that is something you will continue to deny.

 

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He must continue in the faith as instructed by word of God:
(2 Peter 2:20-21)

If you are born again, then you FAITH has already been accepted by GOD, and you never have to worry about it.

See, the proof of Salvaiton, is to be born again.
There is no other proof.

And the proof that you understand Salvation, is that you know that Eternal Life has become YOURS, because Chirst who Himself IS Eternal LIFE< is IN YOU< and You are "in Christ".

People who are religious, who are playing a religious game they call Christianity, have no idea why Salvation is not based on their behavior.
This is why they can't talk about the Cross or the Blood of Christ, or the Gift of Salvation, but they rant endlessly about their self EFFORT to try to be saved.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So what is your point...men who believe ARE SAVED?

?

 

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[QUOTE="Michiah-Imla, post: 1376889, member: 9352
You are denying the Cross by denying the Grace given through the Cross, and have replaced it with works!

Legalist, ... i define them as "self savers"'...can't talk about the Cross.
They can't talk about the Blood Of Jesus or the Gift of Salvation, unless you embarrass them, and then they will try to FAKE IT.
And how can they talk about it, when they are not familiar with it?
CHRISTians, talk about CHRIST. Heretics talk about THEMSELVES and their SELF SELF SELF EFFORT, and all this does is deny the Cross, and try to replace the Grace of God with WORKS.

CHRISTians, rejoice in the Cross of Christ and God's GIFT of Salvation.

HERETICS, rejoice in commandments, and law, and anything that is some type of SELF EFFORT to try to be saved or stay saved.

 

[Charlie24]

Legalist, ... i define them as "self savers"'...can't talk about the Cross.
They can't talk about the Blood Of Jesus or the Gift of Salvation, unless you embarrass them, and then they will try to FAKE IT.
And how can they talk about it, when they are not familiar with it?
CHRISTians, talk about CHRIST. Heretics talk about THEMSELVES and their SELF SELF SELF EFFORT, and all this does is deny the Cross, and try to replace the Grace of God with WORKS.

Exactly what they are doing, and as the Pharisees of old, they are blinded by their works of righteousness!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Let me show you this...

What the NT does is, .. it reveals the Righteousness of God, as "the Gift of Salvation".
And when you are born again, and understand what it means to be "made righteous", then you no longer try to perform for God, to be accepted.
See that?

So, DISCIPLESHIP, is to learn how to exist in the Salvation that God has given to us, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

HERESY, the main one that is taught, is to try to exist as a imitation of Christ, as your PERFORMANCE that you believe God will accept.
He WILL NOT.

God only accepts a person, based on what CHRIST has Accomplished for them, on the Cross.
God will have us, as His OWN< not becasuse of our behavior, but only because CHRIST has accomplshed a SACRIFICE for us, that God accepts to accept us.

You are not understanding the biblical gospel.

1. Lost sinner receives salvation without works.

2. Saved saint works for God now. Not his sinful desires.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you say that?

You’re the one who said the phrase “self-righteous devils”.

What am I to conclude from this statement of yours?

 

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You are not understanding the biblical gospel.
1. Lost sinner receives salvation without works.

Michiah-Imia ....Is that Mormonism or JW you are teaching, as its certainly not Paul's Theology.

Listen, CHRIST is Salvation.
He is THE WAY..... John 14:6
There is no, 2nd way, or 3rd... THere is only JESUS as "THE WAY", and if you have HIM IN YOU as your SAVIOR, then you have obeyed THE Gospel, according to the New Testament, and that Gospel is Paul's.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Legalist, ... i define them as "self savers"'...can't talk about the Cross.
They can't talk about the Blood Of Jesus or the Gift of Salvation, unless you embarrass them, and then they will try to FAKE IT.
And how can they talk about it, when they are not familiar with it?
CHRISTians, talk about CHRIST. Heretics talk about THEMSELVES and their SELF SELF SELF EFFORT, and all this does is deny the Cross, and try to replace the Grace of God with WORKS.

CHRISTians, rejoice in the Cross of Christ and God's GIFT of Salvation.

HERETICS, rejoice in commandments, and law, and anything that is some type of SELF EFFORT to try to be saved or stay saved.

I guess that’s all you can do when you have no scriptural backing to support your doctrine, talk to your self…

 

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The "likeness of men" is not stating that Christ wasn't a man/human. It is stating that Christ has come into a new state of being when He became Man.

No.
God is invisible. He changes not.
Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, forever.

Did God exist before He create anything ?
Did Gods word exist before Gods created anything?
Did Gods word exist before a man Knew the Name God gave His word?

Jesus appeared in the Likeness AS a man, expressly so men could see Him.
Spirits Can appear as “things” familiar to Man.
When the Dove sat on Jesus’ shoulder for men to See, was that a Dove, or the Spirit of God?
Did Gods Spirit become ... a new state of being? A new nature? His own created Dove animal? No.

Jesus LOOKED like a “Jewish man”.
Jesus came to fulfill the Law.
Did you know Jews and Gentiles...Laws have been for centuries, a child that comes from from a woman’s womb is ACCORDING TO MANS LAW, that woman’s lawful Child?
The Husband of that woman according to mans Law, this that man’s lawful Child..

Because Jesus came forth from Mary’s womb...a Jew...and Her husband A Jew......OF the House of David......Jesus’ was LAWFULLY, according to mans Law......Gentile Law, the legal son of Mary and Joseph.
And Jewish Law, the legal son of Mary and Joseph......AND...............
ONLY a legal son of a descendent of kind David, of the House of David, CAN LAWFULLY SIT on king Davids Throne....AND further being descended FROM Abraham, Isaac,.......A LAWFUL Heir of Abrahams Promised LAND......AND ONLY God Himself Can Be Head of His OWN Earthly Government....

Jesus.......TOOK UPON HIMSELF, “the seed of Abraham”...
And...WHAT WAS Abraham’s Seed?
Descendent-ship down to David.

It is a mix and separation of what is earthly and what is spiritual.
Jesus had to satisfy the LEGALITIES of both....and did.

Do you know HOW a Gentile Can ALSO be included to Occupy “Abraham’s promised land.....promised TO Abraham’s heirs”?
Same as Jesus did....Take upon themselves the Seed of Abraham.
And it gets deeper.

And that occurs by, through, of “conversion” IN Christ.
Are you Abraham’s seed...Abraham the Hebrew?

Luke 1:
[55] As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
[73] The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb.2
[16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

It’s like a reverse...Jesus ... of sorts became the adoptive son of Abraham. And men ..... of sorts become the adoptive son of God.
A mixing of natural and spirit...By Gods Order and Way, of Declaring.

 

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You’re the one who said the phrase “self-righteous devils”.

What am I to conclude from this statement of yours?

You are to know, That the Devil's Gospel is to deny the Grace of God.
The Devil's Gospel, replaces the CROSS of CHRIST with SELF EFFORT, works, commandments, etc.
The Devil's Gospel, is to DENY that God's Son, given FREELY to the World as SALVATION to be BELIEVED UPON... John 3:16, is a GIFT, that you dont earn, or keep.

 

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I guess that’s all you can do when you have no scriptural backing to support your doctrine, talk to your self…

You have a lot of verses you can cut and paste, but you have no understanding of the Cross of Christ, according to every post you keep posting.
This is why you dont Talk about The Cross of Christ, and only talk about your SELF EFFORT to try to go to heaven.
Understand?
So, you dont need me to POST the New Testament to you., verse by verse.
You need me to show you how to SEE what you dont SEE yet.
And even if you can't, there are those who read what im writing and they are seeing it.

This is Good.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Is that Mormonism or JW you are teaching, as its certainly not Paul's Theology.

I am not a Mormon nor a JW (Jehovah’s Witness).

You are ignorant of Paul’s theology.

That much is clear.

And it must be willfull ignorance since I quoted his writings some posts ago and you went on with your lecture and disregarded them…

 

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What do you think this means:

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

Christ was tempted just like you and me in our infirmities. Just like us!

So? God was tempted by men.
Being Tempted by Satan, being Tempted by men....Simply makes THEM Tempters....THEIR ACTS.
The one who ignores them...goes on about their business, has done nothing wrong.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You are to know, That the Devil's Gospel is to deny the Grace of God.

The Devil's Gospel, replaces the CROSS of CHRIST with SELF EFFORT, works, commandments, etc.

The Devil's Gospel, is to DENY that God's Son, given FREELY to the World as SALVATION to be BELIEVED UPON

And you are to know that I have not done any of the above.