The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[WalkInLight]

What do you think about Gods unconditional love for humanity to send his Son to die for the ungodly?

It is true that love is defined biblically in 1 Corinthians 13.

Some people have a problem when things are said like this “those who will seek out for truth will” as an attack and to their own character and are offended so because of this they will become defensive in their own right.

Simply expressing a truth that individually based on a persons choice to seek for truth or not is totally incumbent on themselves and they deemed the person say such as an person who is passive aggressive, and if this is the case I personally believe that someone wanting to learn about Jesus and the things he said are going to be ten times just as offensive, to their own heart.

God did not unconditionally love man, Gods love was so great that though He was holy and different, He was prepared to send His son to die for us, so that whoever believes in Him might have eternal life.

"that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

The phrase "whoever" with the condition "believes" is conditional love.
How people react to this reality and its statement varies. I am not able to define why people get offended by preaching the gospel, Paul suggests because unless they repent it means they will be destroyed and not be acceptable, while the preacher is including themselves in the acceptable. I suppose from this perspective it is saying this group is better than that group, which is important to those in the world.

What Jesus says is if people hate Gods people, then they are doomed and its their choice. Equally Gods people need to declare the reality of the light and its cleansing power, because that is the reality and truth of salvation, and to deny it is to exclude oneself from its truth, ie to lie about it.

It is ironic that life and love is innately open and honest, and will by its nature condemn those who are lost and dead to their situation. But any sensible response to such a realisation is repentance and faith, and to learn to walk in the light. And by Gods will I pray people will respond like this,

God bless you

 

[MatthewG]

God did not unconditionally love man, Gods love was so great that though He was holy and different, He was prepared to send His son to die for us, so that whoever believes in Him might have eternal life.

"that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

The phrase "whoever" with the condition "believes" is conditional love.
How people react to this reality and its statement varies. I am not able to define why people get offended by preaching the gospel, Paul suggests because unless they repent it means they will be destroyed and not be acceptable, while the preacher is including themselves in the acceptable. I suppose from this perspective it is saying this group is better than that group, which is important to those in the world.

What Jesus says is if people hate Gods people, then they are doomed and its their choice. Equally Gods people need to declare the reality of the light and its cleansing power, because that is the reality and truth of salvation, and to deny it is to exclude oneself from its truth, ie to lie about it.

It is ironic that life and love is innately open and honest, and will by its nature condemn those who are lost and dead to their situation. But any sensible response to such a realisation is repentance and faith, and to learn to walk in the light. And by Gods will I pray people will respond like this,

God bless you

Hello sir,

The condition to receive age-during life is by faith and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t love all people.

If God didn’t love Pharaoh and let him live even while denying the very existence of God while God was making a mockery of his gods, why didn’t God just obliterate his whole nation completely?

People make their choice if they will decide to love God or not, however does that condition stop God from having love from other people even when they do not believe? Or is his will that all come to the knowledge of the truth and turn towards Him and His Son?

It boils down to what you personally believe, Jesus was very harsh and truthful to the Pharisees and the Scribes and to anyone who came to question him.

So, I wouldn’t put merit on conditions of love, I believe (though it is a crime and people should be put in jail for it) God would have me to love the child-molester and lead them to the truth of Gods Son, to love the person who murdered my brother, to love the person who stole my socks, to love the person who may have taken my car out and damaged it.

That is how I personally believe, and there are people who disagree with this, this why learning and practicing what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 is important.

May the spirit of God guide you, in the name of Christ friend.

 

[MatthewG]

It is always satans tactic to rile up our flesh with the flesh of someone else, so you’ve hit the nail on the head there! Reminds me of a quote by some old saint - you don’t realize what a burden your reputation was until you no longer have a reputation to protect.

This why my personal reputation doesn’t necessarily matter to me. Individual people are going to think what individual people are going to and make judgments on my own character or anyone else’s character. The biggest thing is to love them, no matter what their understanding may be unconditionally and this is very difficult to do. However with God all things are possible and that is by and through the Holy Spirit, and the spirit of Christ that indwells a believer.

Truth is important to me, and that doesn’t mean I won’t lie or just allow someone to believe what they want just so that I can love them and perhaps share the truth with them again.

It’s very good to be open and honest with people you can do good things with your body through choices and you can do bad things with your body through choices.

My flesh inside of it really dwells nothing good, I could spit in your face, kick you to the ground, without even having to use my hands. It is all in the heart of a person that needs to be cleansed out by Christ Jesus. And a choice for a person to live by the spirit and have agape love for their neighbor or not.

 

[MatthewG]

On the Merit of Resurrection; there was time today with my mother that, thumbing through the Bible I found this in 1 Corinthians 15.

Paul is writing to the people there at Corinthian about the resurrection of Christ, and the resurrection of the dead followed afterward.

The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sinsaccording to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third dayaccording to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

 

[MatthewG]

On the Merit of Resurrection; there was time today with my mother that, thumbing through the Bible I found this in 1 Corinthians 15.

Paul is writing to the people there at Corinthian about the resurrection of Christ, and the resurrection of the dead followed afterward.

The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sinsaccording to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third dayaccording to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

Paul addresses the Corinthians directly about the concerns of the raising of the dead, and some people had become ignorant of God, there in that place.

The Resurrection of the Dead
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,

“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”

33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

 

[WalkInLight]

Hello sir,

The condition to receive age-during life is by faith and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t love all people.

If God didn’t love Pharaoh and let him live even while denying the very existence of God while God was making a mockery of his gods, why didn’t God just obliterate his whole nation completely?

People make their choice if they will decide to love God or not, however does that condition stop God from having love from other people even when they do not believe? Or is his will that all come to the knowledge of the truth and turn towards Him and His Son?

It boils down to what you personally believe, Jesus was very harsh and truthful to the Pharisees and the Scribes and to anyone who came to question him.

So, I wouldn’t put merit on conditions of love, I believe (though it is a crime and people should be put in jail for it) God would have me to love the child-molester and lead them to the truth of Gods Son, to love the person who murdered my brother, to love the person who stole my socks, to love the person who may have taken my car out and damaged it.

That is how I personally believe, and there are people who disagree with this, this why learning and practicing what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 is important.

May the spirit of God guide you, in the name of Christ friend.

Thank you for clarifying. It is helpful to think of love as a feeling towards another or intention. It is balanced with other issues, feelings and intensions. If one talks only factually destroying people in the lake of fire is not kindness or doing good to them. Some of scripture calls this end visiting evil on them.

So God loves the world but at the end only the chosen are blessed, or receive God's love. So our language using the word love means different things at different times.

We are commanded to hate the world yet love our enemies. The word hate is the world's desires and ways, loving ones enemies is loving them while they are slaves to sin and bound to evil behaviour patterns which in Christ we are free from. God bless you

 

[ChristisGod]

Do you have a point ?

What does the passage mean ?

Is the Resurrection body physical ? Yes or no

 

[MatthewG]

My encouragement is to seek the answer out for yourself, Christophany, my friend. You do not need my answer, but allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth and may you ask and receive an answer from the Father in heaven.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus states in Matthew 7:

Ask, Seek, Knock

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for clarifying. It is helpful to think of love as a feeling towards another or intention. It is balanced with other issues, feelings and intensions. If one talks only factually destroying people in the lake of fire is not kindness or doing good to them. Some of scripture calls this end visiting evil on them.

So God loves the world but at the end only the chosen are blessed, or receive God's love. So our language using the word love means different things at different times.

We are commanded to hate the world yet love our enemies. The word hate is the world's desires and ways, loving ones enemies is loving them while they are slaves to sin and bound to evil behaviour patterns which in Christ we are free from. God bless you

And the great news is this my friend.

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.​

(may you be encouraged to go on to make your own threads in which others may like to join and discuss some of your insights and findings on the word of God.)

Take care.

 

[ChristisGod]

My encouragement is to seek the answer out for yourself, Christophany, my friend. You do not need my answer, but allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth and may you ask and receive an answer from the Father in heaven.

I know the answer I asked you if you believed in the resurrection you will have a physical human body . Why do you avoid answering questions?

1 Peter 3:15

 

[ChristisGod]

Because it is my choice to do so. You say you know the answer, then why are you going to care about my answer? Haven't we done been through is before? It is redundant to go through it again sir.

Isn’t everything “ redundant “ since it’s already in the Bible . Why post scripture since everyone has already read it 100 times before , what’s the Point ?

 

[MatthewG]

Isn’t everything “ redundant “ since it’s already in the Bible . Why post scripture since everyone has already read it 100 times before , what’s the Point ?

Love you brother, hope your day has been a good one. Have you went fishing or anything today? How is your family? Grandchildren? We could always talk about these things instead if you would like to instead.

When it comes to sharing scripture, it’s good and useful for certain reasons, but at the end the day sit is up to people if they wanna know and grow in the knowledge of God whom sent Jesus.

Jesus said it was to know the one whom sent and him and to know the son is eternal life, scripture helps produce and grow faith.

To go ahead an answer your question about the resurrected body, from the words of Paul sir.

Paul wrote to the very first century Christian’s to inform them of the resurrected body, he also mentions to those people at that time about the last trumpet what would happen when it was to come, in that time in that age.

These People at this church trusted Paul and trusted him in for him to tell them the truth.

This is where the answer lies.

“But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.

When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.

But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.

There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.

And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

“Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm.

Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35-58‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Earburner]

There are things people say to me I see, that are offensive to me such as a person calling me “self-righteous” when they are trying to attack me. People that do this are trying to get a rile out of someone. I do not see myself as better than anyone here but if they are looking at me and trying to read my words as though I am they are making false assumptions. Because I do not see myself better than anyone, my purpose isn’t to condemn people or to say they are stupid.

My purpose to encourage people to think for themselves and go against what they have traditionally been taught, regardless from my own faith I’m complete in Christ and have peace with God because of his righteousness and my flesh fails and it will never be perfect, and I do the same things others do but try to catch myself before I act on the sin on my heart and go by the spirit instead.

My past and troubles are still there to look at, just as ,the troubled past of the prophets of old, the troubles Jesus went through and endure, even those of the early first church in that day in age. All of us have problems and struggles the point is will we allow that to effect us and trouble us or learn from it let it go and continue to move forward in Jesus or sit there in one’s (not you ;generally speaking) own pity.

By the Grace of God, and by our faith in the shed blood of Christ our Savior, via the Gift of His Holy Spirit, we have been made to be "sin-less" in the eyes of the Father.
Therefore, though we do now have this [His] treasure in our mortal earthen vessels, WE ALL know that none of us, while in these bodies of death, are ever "sin-free". 2 Corinthians 4:7

Let us all thank God for His provision of "the Lamb of God", that taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:21, 36.

 

[CadyandZoe]

CadyandZoe,

Sorry for such a long post but consider all of it,

Everything needs to be taken into consideration from context, and also from understanding what words mean, everything needs to be looked at from an objective view, and understood that the Bible was never written to us directly in any sense whatsoever.

Thus, you have your own self, and God, and the text. All the content and context needs to be considered as a whole, and history plays a part in this content, and all people should be encouraged to question everything they have been taught, and to test all things.

As I told you the first time. Someone encouraged it, so I decided to follow along suit of questioning everything. It’s good to challenge your views even if someone sees things differently, and I’m at the point now I’m open to new ideas to some degree or another however my stance on the Lord Jesus Christ having come back and taken his bride and overcoming all things from sin, Satan and his Angels, Sheol/Hell/Hades, and Death (all of it even the second death), will probably never be moved from personally again as it is unshakeable.

I have no problem with people have a part in the lake of fire, the only ones in it forever is the devil, the false prophet and the beast. No part in scripture does it say those who have a part in it are in their forever and I believe it’s a purge process from the fire of God himself, as he is a consuming fire, and the second death is a death to oneself in the afterlife which brings a person to Christ at the end when that Age ends and they make the choice.

Also believe people who don’t believe have a part in the heavenly realms, also the scripture never says the city gates are closed.

It’s such a better view in my perspective than the age old traditions teaching about eternal hell and lake of fire for all who don’t believe… and leaves hope for God getting what he desires over what faulty sola scriptura can lead to.

You still haven't answered my question. You seem to have abandoned what the Bible says about the resurrection and the final state of humanity in favor of another one. I was asking you what prompted you to abandon the scriptures? Was there a watershed event? What happened?

Someone told you to question everything so you did?
Was that all it took?

 

[ChristisGod]

CadyandZoe,

Sorry for such a long post but consider all of it,

Everything needs to be taken into consideration from context, and also from understanding what words mean, everything needs to be looked at from an objective view, and understood that the Bible was never written to us directly in any sense whatsoever.

Thus, you have your own self, and God, and the text. All the content and context needs to be considered as a whole, and history plays a part in this content, and all people should be encouraged to question everything they have been taught, and to test all things.

As I told you the first time. Someone encouraged it, so I decided to follow along suit of questioning everything. It’s good to challenge your views even if someone sees things differently, and I’m at the point now I’m open to new ideas to some degree or another however my stance on the Lord Jesus Christ having come back and taken his bride and overcoming all things from sin, Satan and his Angels, Sheol/Hell/Hades, and Death (all of it even the second death), will probably never be moved from personally again as it is unshakeable.

I have no problem with people have a part in the lake of fire, the only ones in it forever is the devil, the false prophet and the beast. No part in scripture does it say those who have a part in it are in their forever and I believe it’s a purge process from the fire of God himself, as he is a consuming fire, and the second death is a death to oneself in the afterlife which brings a person to Christ at the end when that Age ends and they make the choice.

Also believe people who don’t believe have a part in the heavenly realms, also the scripture never says the city gates are closed.

It’s such a better view in my perspective than the age old traditions teaching about eternal hell and lake of fire for all who don’t believe… and leaves hope for God getting what he desires over what faulty sola scriptura can lead to.

So you stopped questioning things now and have nothing new to learn ?

What about answering questions since you said above you were taught to question everything ?

 

[MatthewG]

You still haven't answered my question. You seem to have abandoned what the Bible says about the resurrection and the final state of humanity in favor of another one. I was asking you what prompted you to abandon the scriptures? Was there a watershed event? What happened?

Someone told you to question everything so you did?
Was that all it took?

Hello to you CadyandZoe,

Sorry but your questions of assumption are ineffective. ( I had answered your questions several times over again some posts back.)

Maybe your own view and perspective is right, and perhaps I am wrong because it is always possible for me to be wrong.

My only encouragement is for people to read the Bible, and search the scriptures for themselves and see what they have to say.

God bless brother and have a good Sunday.

 

[MatthewG]

 

[ChristisGod]

No one is interested in listening to the wolf in sheeps clothing shawn mcgready.

No thanks

 

[CadyandZoe]

Hello to you CadyandZoe,

Sorry but your questions of assumption are ineffective. ( I had answered your questions several times over again some posts back.)

Maybe your own view and perspective is right, and perhaps I am wrong because it is always possible for me to be wrong.

My only encouragement is for people to read the Bible, and search the scriptures for themselves and see what they have to say.

God bless brother and have a good Sunday.

You seem to be avoiding the issue. Why is that? Your reluctance to face the issue is telling.