Is your Faith in the Bible or is it in God?

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Do you believe Jesus is God Himself???

Jesus said that He is "I Am" to the Pharisees.
This term "I Am" is the same term that God used to name Himself, when He was speaking to Moses from the Burning Bush.
God said..>"I Am that I Am"">
Jesus said...>'I Am", when defining Himself to the Pharisees.
And just like you, True Faith, they also didnt believe it.

You can also (if you own a bible) turn to John 1:10, and you'll note that Jesus = created the WORLD.
 

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Jesus said that He is "I Am" to the Pharisees.
This term "I Am" is the same term that God used to name Himself, when He was speaking to Moses from the Burning Bush.
God said..>"I Am that I Am"">
Jesus said...>'I Am", when defining Himself to the Pharisees.
And just like you, True Faith, they also didnt believe it.

You can also (if you own a bible) turn to John 1:10, and you'll note that Jesus said that He created the WORLD.
No Jesus never said he was I Am.. to anyone... that is a flat out lie right there...
 

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Jesus said that He is "I Am" to the Pharisees.
This term "I Am" is the same term that God used to name Himself, when He was speaking to Moses from the Burning Bush.
God said..>"I Am that I Am"">
Jesus said...>'I Am", when defining Himself to the Pharisees.
And just like you, True Faith, they also didnt believe it.

You can also (if you own a bible) turn to John 1:10, and you'll note that Jesus said that He created the WORLD.
Amen and Jesus said unless a person believes He is “ I Am “ they will die in their sins without a Savior . John 8:24
 
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No Jesus never said he was I Am.. to anyone... that is a flat out lie right there...
exposing your falsehoods

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the Lord God Almighty !


These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."


We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty


Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:


We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.


Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.


Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."


We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),

Daniel 7:13-14
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Matthew 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."


So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!


Isaiah 44:6

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel

And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:

'I am the first and I am the last,

And there is no God besides Me.


Isaiah 48:12

"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;

I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.


hope this helps !!!
 
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it is not me who is all over the map.. I am sorry if yall cannot even find one piece of scripture...lol
Actually I have a plethora of scriptures that back up my beliefs and expose your heretical teachings . I’ve demonstrated that is all your threads this past week.

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I showed you the answer to your question.
I posted the verse from a bible, for you.
You still seem to be talking.
So, is God the liar, or are you?

But Jesus was a Man, in the Flesh... and you claim that he is God Himself, so that would mean that your numbers verse is irrelevant because God took on humanity and became a man...
 

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Is the Bible a Supernatural Book?
It is absolutely..
Is it spiritual food, spiritual light, and the roadmap to heaven.
It is absolutely.

Reader, never lets a bible denier, who is in the flesh, or worse......convince you that the Bible can't be trusted, and should not be counted worthy of your adoration and your love.
If you are born again, then you should love the bible... Its your spiritual food, its light, its truth, and within it are all the answers you'll ever need for all the issue you will ever have.
Jesus LOVED the Torah, and we should love the Bible.
 
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Actually I have a plethora of scriptures that back up my beliefs and expose your heretical teachings . I’ve demonstrated that is all your threads this past week.

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But not one that shows where it says that it is possible for God to lie...
 

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Is the Bible a Supernatural Book?
It is absolutely..
Is it spiritual food, spiritual light, and the roadmap to heaven.
It is absolutely.

Reader, never lets a bible denier, who is in the flesh, or worse......convince you that the Bible can't be trusted, and should not be counted worthy of your adoration and your love.
If you are born again, then you should love the bible... Its your spiritual food, its light, its truth, and within it are all the answers you'll ever need for all the issue you will ever have.
Jesus LOVED the Torah, and we should love the Bible.

Well since John 1:14 says that "God" is full of Grace and Truth... show me where it is possible for God to lie...
 

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Cults deny the deity of Christ.
Christians dont.
Jesus IS God in the Flesh.
1st Timothy 3:16
Paul's says that it is impossible for God to lie... yet you claim it is possible for him to lie... which is it??? if you discount Paul's, none of his writings can be utilized...
 

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Its not possible for God to lie.

God does not sin., So, for God to lie, would be a sin.
Not possible.
yet you claim that Jesus claimed to be God Himself, therefore, you claim that God lied when he said that he did not come to do his own will.. John 6:38
 

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Paul's says that it is impossible for God to lie... yet you claim it is possible for him to lie... which is it??? if you discount Paul's, none of his writings can be utilized...

Then thats my error, as i thought you asked for a verse that proves that God CAN'T Lie.

Number 23:19
 

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Its not possible for God to lie.

God does not sin., So, for God to lie, would be a sin.
Not possible.
so it is not possible for Jesus to be God then... because he said"For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."
 
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