The Two Horns of Deep OSAS

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I know there are Christians believing OSAS at least in theory, but not practicing it in daily unrighteous sinning. So, if you don't go along with this exposure of deep OSAS theology, then fine.

However, if you agree with it's conclusion, then you simply don't know all the depths of Satan from which it comes.

The deluded OSAS conclusion is: All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

In life, they have appearances of neighborly lambs, though still sinning, but in earthy doctrine they speak as unrighteous trasngressing dragons.

Here are the two horns of deep OSAS:

1. Teaching all men are created and born by their 'christ' with sin nature or spirit.

They are all born sinners, born to sin with the devil against their christ, born children of the devil, made to be so by their christ from the womb, And so only their babies are children of the devil from the womb, not the babies of other living creatures, nor them of undeluded men and women.

Along with the environmentalists, they are the disease on planet earth, created by their christ to be so.

2. Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

They declare an imperfect thought is coming short of the glory of their christ and is sinning with the devil; therefore, the law of their christ commands perfectionism of the mind.

They are first created only to sin against their christ, and then he gives them a law that they cannot possibly keep.

Their christ has created them imperfectly, for the express purpose of commanding them to think and live perfectly.

The end of the OSAS law of perfectionism, thus will always be for unrighteousness,

Since no man's mind is yet perfected in the resurrection, then all men on earth will remain imperfect unrighteous sinners transgressing the law of their own 'christ', which condemns imperfection in the mind.

And so, if any man err in having a unworthy thought to contend with on any given day, then all men are by nature just a bunch of imperfectly made unrighteous depraved sinners.

And since it's at least partly the mortal body's fault for being made that way, then the conscience is sufficiently seared to justify not just a sad thought, but also sinning in any and all words and deeds.

If we are offending in one point, then we are offending in all, and so the law of imperfection of mind being an offense to their christ, they are already offending in all anyway.

Deeply delusional OSAS teaches a law of a christ, that would command all men to float upon wings of butterflies like new age divines, having ne'er an undivine thought along the way.

I openly reject any christ that would first make man to sin against God, and then make a law of perfectionism no imperfectly made man can possibly keep.

The perfectionism law of a new age christ, is not the law of Jesus Christ.

Nor is that false christ the Creator and Maker of men's spirits, souls, and bodies of flesh.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
 

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I know there are Christians believing OSAS at least in theory, but not practicing it in daily unrighteous sinning. So, if you don't go along with this exposure of deep OSAS theology, then fine.

However, if you agree with it's conclusion, then you simply don't know all the depths of Satan from which it comes.

The deluded OSAS conclusion is: All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.


Seriously Robert, how do you conclude yourself an authority on something you neither believe or understand?

Pulling nonsense out of thin air and declaring it Applies to what you neither believe or understand....is like you pretending you are an authority on birthing a child. Ridiculous!



 
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Seriously Robert, how do you conclude yourself an authority on something you neither believe or understand?

I am an authority on many things I do not believe, when I understand exactly what others teach about it, whether it be communism, environmentalism, liberalism, judaism, islam, buddhism, atheism, or OSASism.

Pulling nonsense out of thin air and declaring it Applies to what you neither believe or understand....is like you pretending you are an authority on birthing a child. Ridiculous!

The deluded OSAS conclusion is: All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

1. Teaching all men are created and born by Christ with sin nature or spirit.

2. Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

If there is error here, then correct it.
 

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I am an authority on many things I do not believe, when I understand exactly what others teach about it, whether it be communism, environmentalism, liberalism, judaism, islam, buddhism, atheism, or OSASism.

LOL

The deluded OSAS conclusion is:

Your Opinion.

All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Christian mentioned 3x in all of Scripture has nothing to do with ALL PERSONS born out of the Dust of the Earth.

1. Teaching all men are created and born by Christ with sin nature or spirit.

LOL - Are you seriously claiming...?

“...all men are born by Christ with sin nature or spirit”?

You can KEEP that nonsense for your own Belief.

2. Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

No clue what you mean by “post-resurrection perfectionism” or
“For the law of Christ”...
What is “post-resurrection perfectionism” ?
What is “the law of Christ”?
 

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LOL



Your Opinion.



Christian mentioned 3x in all of Scripture has nothing to do with ALL PERSONS born out of the Dust of the Earth.



LOL - Are you seriously claiming...?



You can KEEP that nonsense for your own Belief.



No clue what you mean by “post-resurrection perfectionism” or
“For the law of Christ”...
What is “post-resurrection perfectionism” ?
What is “the law of Christ”?
Next time just say you don't agree with these false things that other people teach.

Although you do a half job of it here, by not answering plainly in on or two of them.


@robert derrick

Can you answer?

Are you Saved, Yes or No?

If Yes, WHY?
If No, WHY not?

Your record isn't that good on answering yes/no questions, but mine is.

Yes, I am now saved and being saved with a pure heart of Jesus Christ. All my past sins are forgiven, and I am not sinning against Him now, neither in spirit nor in the flesh.

I now have fellowship with Jesus in the light.

Ask me again tomorrow, and see what I have to say then.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

In the meantime:

All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Do you agree or disagree?

Are there Christians who are not sinning at any given time on earth, such as now.
 

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I know there are Christians believing OSAS at least in theory, but not practicing it in daily unrighteous sinning. So, if you don't go along with this exposure of deep OSAS theology, then fine.

the what now??

OSAS is a term used only by people who deny the Biblical security of our salvation, which is fully established by hosts of scripture declaring the saving power & work of God.
it is falsely defined by a powerless, Christless, completely carnal view of salvation in which there is no supernatural work of God whatsoever but wholly depends on human will, desire and effort.

it is quite simply, a complete strawman.
nothing 'deep' about it at all --

so i'm really confused by your thread title lol
this is just another attack-thread on believers, right?
to try to convince the saved they are damned?
 

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Seriously Robert, how do you conclude yourself an authority on something you neither believe or understand?

Pulling nonsense out of thin air and declaring it Applies to what you neither believe or understand....is like you pretending you are an authority on birthing a child. Ridiculous!

similarly i have heard way more about "calvinism" from people who hate it and are only talking about it in order to destroy it.
later i found out most of what they say doesn't reflect reality, at all. if we have to put names to things, people who hate 'calvinism' assume all 'calvinists' are in fact hyper-calvinist ((reality being that's a very small minority)) and even 'hyper-calvinism' gets wholesale misrepresented by their opponents.

want to find out what a buddhist really believes? talk to a buddhist, not someone who hates buddhism. want to know what kjv-onlyists believe? ask one. want to know what people who are assured of their salvation believe? ask someone who has put away doubt. don't ask someone who hates an idea what the idea is; you will only get a very biased misinterpretation.
 

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the what now??

OSAS is a term used only by people who deny the Biblical security of our salvation, which is fully established by hosts of scripture declaring the saving power & work of God.
it is falsely defined by a powerless, Christless, completely carnal view of salvation in which there is no supernatural work of God whatsoever but wholly depends on human will, desire and effort.

it is quite simply, a complete strawman.
nothing 'deep' about it at all --

so i'm really confused by your thread title lol
this is just another attack-thread on believers, right?
to try to convince the saved they are damned?
All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Agree or disagree?

Does you salvation security apply while sinning for the devil against God?

Teaching all men are created and born by their 'christ' with sin nature or spirit.

Agree or disagree?

Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

Agree or disagree?

Is having an unrighteous thought appear in the mind, sinning against the law of Christ?
 

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All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Agree or disagree?

Does you salvation security apply while sinning for the devil against God?

Teaching all men are created and born by their 'christ' with sin nature or spirit.

Agree or disagree?

Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

Agree or disagree?

Is having an unrighteous thought appear in the mind, sinning against the law of Christ?

((1))
Christians have died and their life is hid in Christ. Colossians 3:3
the flesh is worthless; the spirit is life. John 6:63

((2))
it was not God's will that Adam fall. Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, James 1:13

((3))
Christians await the redemption of our bodies. Romans 8:23, Philippians 3:8-14


any other questions?
 
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((1))
Christians have died and their life is hid in Christ. Colossians 3:3
the flesh is worthless; the spirit is life. John 6:63

((2))
it was not God's will that Adam fall. Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, James 1:13

((3))
Christians await the redemption of our bodies. Romans 8:23, Philippians 3:8-14


any other questions?
Try saying yes/no, then quote your scripture. It's how I answer things just so there is no misunderstanding.

Afterall, people can quote the same Scripture and then teach entirely two different things from it.
 

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Try saying yes/no, then quote your scripture. It's how I answer things just so there is no misunderstanding.

Afterall, people can quote the same Scripture and then teach entirely two different things from it.

the flesh remains depraved until our final redemption. take the time to read the scriptures i quoted. Romans 7-8, 1 John
our righteousness is not by our perfect works but by our faith; in fact in order to be saved we have to confess our sin ((see multiple scriptures all over the NT i don't have time to go find for you - i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't unfamiliar with the Bible))

there is no one righteous on earth who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20
salvation is not a second chance at establishing righteousness for ourselves to be justified by the works of our hands.
salvation is a supernatural, effective work of the LORD God Almighty, Jesus Christ, in a person - by grace through faith. it is mercy.
it is 100% necessary that it be by mercy -- see Romans 1-5 -- there is no salvation apart from mercy; see Romans 3 & Romans 9 for example.

since salvation is not our own work but God's work ((see Hebrews 10 & Ephesians 2)) the effectiveness and security of our salvation is entirely dependant on the One who saves us ((see 1 Peter 1)).
OSAS is a strawman; salvation is not achieved by responding to the emotional manipulation of a skilled orator with a light-and-sound-show in a big-tent-revival.
salvation is a supernatural work of God. it changes a person. God works in their heart and dwells in them. see Philippians 2.
all of this 'license to sin' blah blah blah is predicated on presuming people whose hearts have not been supernaturally changed by God and in whom God is not at work, are actually saved. see Psalm 127:1-2 & Romans 9:16

i don't buy it.
Christ will lose none of His sheep. John 6.
if anyone remains lost, they are not His sheep. John 10.
how much scripture do you need me to repeat to you, exactly?
 
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All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Agree or disagree?

the question is predicated on a false definition of "Christian"


Teaching all men are created and born by their 'christ' with sin nature or spirit.

Agree or disagree?

all human flesh has sin except Jesus Christ who was born of a virgin. sin entered through Adam even tho his wife was the first human in transgression. Romans 3-5, 1 John, Genesis 3, Hebrews 7:10
if scripture cannot persuade you, see the presence of death/decay

Teaching post-resurrection perfectionism for the law of Christ.

Agree or disagree?

Romans 8:23
we wait along with all of creation for the redemption of our bodies. Romans 7.
if you claim to be sinless in your flesh you are a liar, the truth isn't in you, and you make Christ of no effect. 1 John, Galatians 5.
 

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just so there is no misunderstanding.

I AM The Resurrection and The Life.
He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.
Do you believe this?

(John 11:25-26)​

Jesus is asking you a question.
yes or no, do you believe Him?

just so there's no misunderstanding.
 

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The LORD will perfect that which concerns me;
Your mercy, O LORD, endures forever;
Do not forsake the works of Your hands

(Psalm 138:8)
amen :)

 

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Although you do a half job of it here, by not answering plainly in on or two of them.

Yes, I am now saved and being saved with a pure heart of Jesus Christ. All my past sins are forgiven, and I am not sinning against Him now, neither in spirit nor in the flesh.

Ask me again tomorrow, and see what I have to say then.

A definite YES saved AND in the Process of Being Saved?

That makes neither logical sense or spiritual sense.
Sav-ED is a completed act.


In the meantime:

All Christians on earth are just as depraved unrighteous sinning sinners as any other person on earth, whether religious or not.

Do you agree or disagree?

Are there Christians who are not sinning at any given time on earth, such as now.

Ignoring the irrelevant term Christian;
There ARE “PEOPLE” who NO LONGER SIN, PERIOD.
 

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Ignoring the irrelevant term Christian;
There ARE “PEOPLE” who NO LONGER SIN, PERIOD.

i can agree with that but only in this context:

it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me
(Romans 7:17)​

it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me
(Romans 7:20)​

=]

i am not my flesh; i have died - my life, my soul, is hid in Christ, waiting for my flesh to be redeemed - a sure hope, because He who works in me is faithful, even if i am faithless. the promise is a guarantee because of Him who promises!!

glory to the Lord
 

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i can agree with that but only in this context:

it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me
(Romans 7:17)​

it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me
(Romans 7:20)​

=]

i am not my flesh; i have died - my life, my soul, is hid in Christ, waiting for my flesh to be redeemed - a sure hope, because He who works in me is faithful, even if i am faithless. the promise is a guarantee because of Him who promises!!

glory to the Lord

I believe as well to your last paragraph.
As well that Sin is Disbelief IN the Lord God.
And ^ That Is What the Lord Forgave my old man of.
And That my new man Is not Able to EVER Again Not Believe, effected by MY agreement FOR the Spirit of Gods POWER to KEEP me IN Belief, against all odds and exposure to EVIL spirits enticements and temptations and WICKED men’s enticements and temptations.
And fully Believe;
~ 1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And fully Trust;
~ 1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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