Yahweh Sends Yahweh

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Here is the Thing... you still have to answer "Whose will did God Himself come down from heave to do, if not his own?"

And so you know that if you went by the Trinity Doctrine, God is the Father and yet Jesus says "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Clearly separating the person of God "God the Father" form "God Himself." .... that is if you believe the Trinity Doctrine and the way they like to spin it...

Well, I’m not a trinitarian so…

 

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Well, I’m not a trinitarian so…

Do you believe Jesus is God Himself???

 

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Okay, so then our translations are all corrupted, right? I mean, we have all gone after Him and worshiped Him because we read the translated word “worship” in so many places. So it’s more than just a not so good translation choice. It has men worshiping someone other than God when they should be honoring but not worshiping. So it’s dangerous and corrupt and a great delusion being worked in our translations, right? Isn’t your goal to try to save men from the insidious delusion that Jesus is worthy of all worship?

I never worshipped him as if he was God Himself...

 

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Here is the Thing... you still have to answer "Whose will did God Himself come down from heave to do, if not his own?"

Um…who would ever leave the glory that He shared with God and make Himself nothing if His will was not Gods will?

 

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Um…who would ever leave the glory that He shared with God and make Himself nothing if His will was not Gods will?

Jesus did in obedience to God...

 

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Do you believe Jesus is God Himself???

I believe Jesus was God in human form and that in that human form He left the glory He shared with God and took on the form of a servant, having to depend completely on God, who is the Holy Spirit.

 

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I believe Jesus was God in human form and that in that human form He left the glory He shared with God and took on the form of a servant, having to depend completely on God, who is the Holy Spirit.

So God Himself...

 

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Jesus did in obedience to God...

Well…at least you believe Jesus existed before He took on human form. That’s encouraging.

 

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Well…at least you believe Jesus existed before He took on human form. That’s encouraging.

I believe it because Jesus said he was in the beginning with God before the world was... was he lying when he said that???

 

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I never worshipped him as if he was God Himself...

But most Christians do. They even talk to Him. So they have been deceived by their corrupted translations. If the word in so many places would have just been translated as “honor” rather than “worship,” this disaster wouldn’t have happened. And it IS a disaster that so many millions upon millions are worshiping a man rather than God.

 

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I believe Jesus was God in human form and that in that human form He left the glory He shared with God and took on the form of a servant, having to depend completely on God, who is the Holy Spirit.

So God Himself... God doesn't depend on anyone because he is God...
You see there is nothing in scripture that anyone can ever provide that will validate God Being able to tell a lie...

 

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But most Christians do. They even talk to Him. So they have been deceived by their corrupted translations. If the word in so many places would have just been translated as “honor” rather than “worship,” this disaster wouldn’t have happened. And it IS a disaster that some many millions upon millions are worshiping a man rather than God.

No they have been deceived by the corrupt interpretations of the translations...

 

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No they have been deceived by the corrupt interpretations of the translations...

lol. You’re a slippery one!

 

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lol. You’re a slippery one!

please explain...lol

 

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please explain...lol

English speaking men read “worship” and they think it means “worship.”
French speaking men read the word for worship in their language and translation and think it means worship.
Swahili speaking people also. And Dutch and so on.
How have they been deceived by a corrupt interpretation of the word “worship” in their respective languages? Worship means worship.

I think you could even speak any of their languages a little bit and brokenly and mime to try to get the words out of them in their language FOR worship and prayer by pointing to the sky then kneeling, clasping your hands together and bowing your head.

 

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English speaking men read “worship” and they think it means “worship.”
French speaking men read the word for worship in their language and translation and think it means worship.
Swahili speaking people also. And Dutch and so on.
How have they been deceived by a corrupt interpretation of the word “worship” in their respective languages? Worship means worship.

I think you could even speak any of their languages a little bit and brokenly and mime to try to get the words out of them in their language FOR worship and prayer by pointing to the sky then kneeling, clasping your hands together and bowing your head.

you have to go by the definition of the Greek word to get the meaning of the word in question... there at least 4 Greek words or variations of 3 words they use in context for what they mean... there is only one word in Greek that means to worship as if they were worshipping God...

 

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you have to go by the definition of the Greek word to get the meaning of the word in question... there at least 4 Greek words or variations of 3 words they use in context for what they mean... there is only one word in Greek that means to worship as if they were worshipping God...

So no one can truly hear or read the gospel without studying Greek?
So, once again, you are saying here that there are very serious mistranslations that have deceived men in their respective languages to worship a man.

 

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So no one can truly hear the gospel without studying Greek?
So, once again, you are saying here that there are very serious mistranslations.

Oh yeah there are mistranslations as it is printed...but even the mistranslations are not that far off...

it is the interpretations of those translations that confuses people..

Like John 1:2 for example...

It reads as follows in 99% of the Bibles out there...
"The same was in the beginning with God."
What it actually says
"He was in the Beginning with the God."

 

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Oh yeah there are mistranslations as it is printed...but even the mistranslations are not that far off...

Well THIS particular mistranslation IS far off because it uses the same exact word of “worship” when Jesus is being spoken of as when God is being spoken of. So the gospel cannot be understood in a mans own language. It is a very serious matter to worship a mere man as God.

 

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Well THIS particular mistranslation IS far off because it uses the same exact word of “worship” when Jesus is being spoken of as when God is being spoken of. So the gospel cannot be understood in a mans own language. It is a very serious matter to worship a mere man as God.

what verse???

 

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what verse???

All of the ones I gave you that translate “worship” where what should be translated as “honor.”