Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

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Timtofly

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Because you call day xeven 1,000 years long. so I was wondering if you believe days 1-6 are simple days or 1,000 years long.

It is not hard to answer. Why do you not simply8 answer the question?

God in giving the ten commandments disagrees with you:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No one until modern times thought of teh seventh day as 1,000 years. so are th efirst six days of creation 1,000 years ? Yes or no.
So you are saying Peter in 2 Peter 3:8 is only for modern humans?

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

What one Day is with the Lord a literal 1,000 years? Certainly not the first 6 days of Creation. That is in Genesis 1.

I am talking about Genesis 2.

Yes, those days in the 4th Commandment could be prophetic and symbolic. There is still a future Day on earth with the Lord.

The 6 Days of creation could correspond why we only have 6,000 years of Adam's punishment.
 

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Dawn and dusk before the invention of the mechanical clock, was a elusive time for people to know, it's about 18 min in the morning and 18min in the evening when there is light but no way to judge it.

Point being, there was evening and morning that is all that is mentioned your adding your understanding of time with a mechanical clock theory.

No one knows how fast the planet was spinning or if any at all specifically in the beginning when the earth was void and empty. And there is a galactic time and a universe time that has nothing to do with earth time.

Reading day 4 before day 3 is flawless, the Bible is written in such a way that there are many levels of understanding some of which can't be understood even by people today even my self, its for a higher understanding for tomorrow's people.
Well the earth never has spinned, so there is that.
 
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Well the earth never has spinned, so there is that.

Well that would fit.
Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens
 

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So you are saying Peter in 2 Peter 3:8 is only for modern humans?

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

What one Day is with the Lord a literal 1,000 years? Certainly not the first 6 days of Creation. That is in Genesis 1.

I am talking about Genesis 2.

Yes, those days in the 4th Commandment could be prophetic and symbolic. There is still a future Day on earth with the Lord.

The 6 Days of creation could correspond why we only have 6,000 years of Adam's punishment.

YOu still haven't answered yes or no as to whether you believe the six days of creation are 6,000 years. Can you not put a simple yes or no as a statement? You are insisitent that the seventh day was 1,000 years, what about the first six??

aqnd sorry, but 2 Peter 3 is not a doctrine for saying how long a day with the lord is. It is known as a euphemism. If you kept things in their context and were not so busy seeking deeper meanings behind the plain teachings of what God inspired, you would see that this is a euphemism describing the patience of the Lord! Not some divine statement in howe God counts days.
 

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YOu still haven't answered yes or no as to whether you believe the six days of creation are 6,000 years. Can you not put a simple yes or no as a statement? You are insisitent that the seventh day was 1,000 years, what about the first six??

aqnd sorry, but 2 Peter 3 is not a doctrine for saying how long a day with the lord is. It is known as a euphemism. If you kept things in their context and were not so busy seeking deeper meanings behind the plain teachings of what God inspired, you would see that this is a euphemism describing the patience of the Lord! Not some divine statement in howe God counts days.
So God has not been patient for 6,000 years with man's sin?

You changed the subject and I already answered the Day with the Lord is 1,000 years. God was patient while His creation enjoyed 1,000 years on earth before God came back and planted the Garden of Eden. Where is the length of time for each day found in Genesis 2? No where. No one is saying that a day on the earth, 24 hours, should be 1,000 years in God's time. Pretty sure God can be patient for 24 hours.

You want me to address your silly question while calling my point silly?

Who is ignorant of God's patience here? I will answer your question after you address my point: no verse states the Day of the Lord in Genesis 2 is only 24 hours. Why are you so worried about the 6 days of creation which were 24 literal hour days, but refuse to budge on the Lord's Day of patience as being 1,000 years?

I don't see humans being ignorant of God's patience, but all seem to be ignorant of God's time.
 

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I think this is the biggest issue with this question. People are asking questions about part of genesis that is not meant to be read literally , as if it’s literally. The narrative of genesis 1-11 spans over a thousand years and covers several major events and people setting up the biblical patterns for the rest of the bible. Genesis 1-11 in writing style most closely matches the revelation which is another highly symbolic non literal story.

The bible uses a lot of metaphors and myths to convey their thoughts. Much like we knew a lot of comparisons today when explaining something.
So the verses in question is wrapped up around this.

Genesis 6:1-6 nasb
Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

So the nephilim are said to have been on earth in those days and afterwards. So what’s the days and event creating before and after? It’s the flood. It’s saying as mankind had daughters, the sons of god saw they were beautiful and took them, resulting in nephilim being born in those days, and in the days after the flood and that was nephilim were considered to be mighty men. But something about these mighty men played a role in Yahweh growing tired of mankind and wanting to destroy it all, turning the world back to a watery void and restarting.

The most common interpretation of this is that it’s about angels sleeping with women and giving birth to these powerful hybrids. These powerful hybrids existed before and after the flood. Meaning this taking if women by angels happened before and after the flood.

some of the descendants of these men are mentioned throughout the Bible in other narratives. Such as narratives that could be better understood as historical or biographical. Some of these are were post flood nephilim are found here.

numbers 13:32-33
32 So they brought a bad report of the land which they had spied out to the sons of Israel, saying, “The land through which we have gone to spy out is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are people of great stature. 33 We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Another in Deuteronomy 3:11
11 (For only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bed was a bed of iron; it is in Rabbah of the sons of Ammon. Its length was nine cubits, and its width four cubits by the usual cubit.)

The Rephaim is translated from Rapha.
Strong's Hebrew: 7497. רָפָא (Rapha) -- inhab. of an area East of the Jordan

There is a lot of debate and resources on what does this mean. Often the us believe it means giant , or mighty.

That brings us to someone like Goliath. Though never called a nephilim, or a descendent of one directly, the way it’s wrote out sort of implies it. You’ll notice as with Og of Bashan and other might men who were big it goes into detail of the strength such as size and weight of armor and weapons and mentions how they are champions.

So these mighty men are often hyperlinked back to the nephilim through a multitude of literary clues. So it seems that in the Jewish culture, and actually in most of ancient cultures, mighty men, especially powerful big men, were often said to be descendants of gods, or in the case of Judaism , descendants of nephilim which were human angel hybrids. But it’s not factual. It’s presenting a truth. There was divisions in the spiritual realm and these traitors often aligned themselves with mankind to be treated as a god. But there was never actually any human angel hybrids. It’s symbolism born out of myths but that’s ok. It’s not a lie. It’s the truth being told through fiction just like with psalms, parables, and places like revelation. Truth is not synonymous with fact in this sense. It’s just a literary tool.

It also sets up biblical patterns and often patterns becomes prophecies even when the original authors did not know. Such as the foreshadowing of Christ through animals without blemish being sacrificed.

but I’ll save the rest for another thread down the road.
 

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While the Nephilim was on earth, when the sons of God doesn't even remotely appear to point to the Nephilim as being them in my opinion, the wording divides them more than links them.

i feel like they are pretty well linked.
genesis 6:4
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
 

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You could just read the verses.

Even reading the verses it’s just not something I see in the story either. I don’t see a logical and theological way to honestly connect those dots.

Genesis 1-2:3 and Genesis 2:4+ is what we call a textual seam. It’s two different traditions take on the same event. It’s not a retelling, or a separate event. It’s called a biblical seam.
 

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i feel like they are pretty well linked.
genesis 6:4
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
The word "nephilim" is not a proper noun to be capitalized. It just means giants. You may as well say Giants should be a separate race of people. However they are just an American baseball team. Some of the Giants throughout history have been mighty men.
 

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The word "nephilim" is not a proper noun to be capitalized. It just means giants. You may as well say Giants should be a separate race of people. However they are just an American baseball team. Some of the Giants throughout history have been mighty men.
Capitalizing it or not does not matter. You can do it either way and it’s correct. It’s a fictional species that never existed and was used as a way to hyperlink mighty men to them symbolically.
 

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Even reading the verses it’s just not something I see in the story either. I don’t see a logical and theological way to honestly connect those dots.

Genesis 1-2:3 and Genesis 2:4+ is what we call a textual seam. It’s two different traditions take on the same event. It’s not a retelling, or a separate event. It’s called a biblical seam.
That is way over thinking Scripture. It is fairly simple when you just read the text. That is what words are for, no?

Everyone tries to figure out why the words are there. When has any one just sat and thought about the actual words?
 

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Capitalizing it or not does not matter. You can do it either way and it’s correct. It’s a fictional species that never existed and was used as a way to hyperlink mighty men to them symbolically.
Since when is fictional human imagination ever "correct"?
 

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That is way over thinking Scripture. It is fairly simple when you just read the text. That is what words are for, no?

Everyone tries to figure out why the words are there. When has any one just sat and thought about the actual words?
I agree this is a very simple concept. Anyone whose pick up a commentary on genesis typically is aware.


Genesis 1-11 is Jewish mythology.
In chapter 6 we read of a fictional race of giants.
Throughout the tanakh future authors and editors hyperlinked back to these beings as symbolism to accent that the people they were facing were mighty.
 

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So God has not been patient for 6,000 years with man's sin?

that is not what I asked. Quit dodging answering a simple question. You know what I am asking! answer it.


You changed the subject and I already answered the Day with the Lord is 1,000 years. God was patient while His creation enjoyed 1,000 years on earth before God came back and planted the Garden of Eden. Where is the length of time for each day found in Genesis 2? No where. No one is saying that a day on the earth, 24 hours, should be 1,000 years in God's time. Pretty sure God can be patient for 24 hours.

You want me to address your silly question while calling my point silly?

Who is ignorant of God's patience here? I will answer your question after you address my point: no verse states the Day of the Lord in Genesis 2 is only 24 hours. Why are you so worried about the 6 days of creation which were 24 literal hour days, but refuse to budge on the Lord's Day of patience as being 1,000 years?

I don't see humans being ignorant of God's patience, but all seem to be ignorant of God's time.

all this verbal methane and manure!!! All you need say is : "Yes the first six days were each 1,000 years long, or no they weren't." Is that too difficult for you to respond? Are you so ashamed of your belief on this that you have to dance around and write all sorts of useless material instead of answering it?

I believe the 7 days of creation were 24 hour days, just like the bible declares.

How about you?
 

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I agree this is a very simple concept. Anyone whose pick up a commentary on genesis typically is aware.


Genesis 1-11 is Jewish mythology.
In chapter 6 we read of a fictional race of giants.
Throughout the tanakh future authors and editors hyperlinked back to these beings as symbolism to accent that the people they were facing were mighty.
No such thing as a fictional race of giants in Genesis 6. The Hebrew word means giant. It is not a proper noun describing a race. There were giants on earth. The sons of God were created larger than Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

Sorry but the Word of God is not Hebrew mythology. I doubt you think God is a mythological creature. But your claim certainly implies you think God is just mythological.
 

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Why would it not be?
Fiction is about non-existence or non reality. Such a state does not indicate a wrong or correct attribute. Not even all of reality is defined as correct or wrong. Trees are not correct nor wrong. Animals are not correct nor wrong.
 

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that is not what I asked. Quit dodging answering a simple question. You know what I am asking! answer it.




all this verbal methane and manure!!! All you need say is : "Yes the first six days were each 1,000 years long, or no they weren't." Is that too difficult for you to respond? Are you so ashamed of your belief on this that you have to dance around and write all sorts of useless material instead of answering it?

I believe the 7 days of creation were 24 hour days, just like the bible declares.

How about you?
If you cannot see what I posted over and over several times, a simple yes or no will never work. My point was about Genesis 2. How many times do I have to say I was not talking about the 6 days of creation?

Where does the Bible say the 7th day was a 24 hour day?

I believe Genesis 2 says the Day of Adonai was a 1,000 year time period just the same as the soon to come Day of Adonai.
 

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Fiction is about non-existence or non reality. Such a state does not indicate a wrong or correct attribute. Not even all of reality is defined as correct or wrong. Trees are not correct nor wrong. Animals are not correct nor wrong.
You’re rambling and it’s not making sense.

when I say genesis 1-11 is myth, that’s a genre. It’s not a literal historical account. It’s fiction. Fiction is not synonymous with false. I’ve said it a dozen times. A parable, a metaphors, symbolism and ect… none of it is lies.
Myth as a genre does not meat lie.
So yes I most certainly can believe in god and the Bible , including the newest Protestant version of the Bible, as being made up of scriptures inspired by Yahweh, and think that he did so through using myths.
I can for sure, say that genesis 6 refers to a fictional group of half human half angelic hybrids that’s hyperlinked to by later authors as symbolism for might men. True events, can be hyperlinked back to fictional ones as symbolism. I can also refer to these hybrids in this fictional story as their own species that’s speedster from the human or angelic species. I’m sure you’ve heard of other mythologies where this is what happens.

I’m not repeating myself again. The books of Enoch do a good job at digging into the mythology.