Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[BeyondET]

I agree, no secret as the others proclaim, the "human" giants are throughout the old testament

Yes they are, a few more anak/anakim and Emims

Numbers 13:33
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

DEUTERONOMY 1:28
28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

DEUTERONOMY 2:10
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes they are, a few more anak/anakim and Emims

Numbers 13:33
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

DEUTERONOMY 1:28
28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

DEUTERONOMY 2:10
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

Glad to see you have learned

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[BeyondET]

While the Nephilim was on earth, when the sons of God doesn't even remotely appear to point to the Nephilim as being them in my opinion, the wording divides them more than links them.

 

[BeyondET]

Then again I read Genesis like this though lol.

Genesis days, 1,2,4 3,5,6
Chapters 1,2,4,3,5,6

 

[CadyandZoe]

And again I say that biblically there is not enough information to know exactly what that story is about.

Okay. Then go in peace.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No. You are missing the point. Adam was named Adam, after the Day of The Lord. The Garden/Paradise was planted after the Day of the Lord. Adam was placed in the Garden and named all the animals after the Day of the Lord. Eve was taken out of Adam after the Day of the Lord. See that word after in all those sentences? Eve was not created on the 6th day.

Yes, God created the sons of God on the 6th day and they were giants compared to Adam and Eve's dead corruptible flesh. Scripture claimed they were giants before. There was 1,000 years before the Garden of Eden narrative and sin more than likely happened 30 years after Adam was placed in the Garden. Those "days of old" were the 1,000 years before death and sin entered the world.

Satan nor the angels rebelled until after 1,000 years. This time will be the same on earth for the reign of Jesus on earth. No Satan, no sin, and no death and decay because of sin.

Lots of speculation and opinion here without fact to back it up.

So you say Adam lived 1,000 years before the garden of Eden. Eve was created 1,000 years after Adam. And you speculate that the sons of God were what? Humans? And they had to wait well over 1,000 years to cohabitate with human women.

And you know all these facts that are not in the bible how? what source did you get this from? How can yo uknow it saccuracy.

But stop saying Adam was with Eve during this Day of the Lord. God planted the Garden after the Sabbath Day. Genesis 2:5 says that no plants sprang up wild nor domestic for 1,000 years. No plants died, no seeds started any new plants nor trees. All living things consumed 100% of the seeds, herbs, and fruit. There was nothing that was left to create new plants.

And you are making this all up by making a doctrine of Peters declaration that a day with the Lord is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is as a day when referring to gods patience and not how He calculates time.

So you also have Adam and these sons of God (what are they people), alive and there is nothing to eat for them for 1,000 years. Quite a long fast!!!!!

I think I will keep with the Bible as it is written and not reinterpreted by you.

When Satan rebelled we don't know, just sometime before the temptation in the garden
We do not know how long adam and eve lived before they sinned.

To write down that you know is arrogance!

 

[Timtofly]

Lots of speculation and opinion here without fact to back it up.

So you say Adam lived 1,000 years before the garden of Eden. Eve was created 1,000 years after Adam. And you speculate that the sons of God were what? Humans? And they had to wait well over 1,000 years to cohabitate with human women.

And you know all these facts that are not in the bible how? what source did you get this from? How can yo uknow it saccuracy.




And you are making this all up by making a doctrine of Peters declaration that a day with the Lord is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is as a day when referring to gods patience and not how He calculates time.

So you also have Adam and these sons of God (what are they people), alive and there is nothing to eat for them for 1,000 years. Quite a long fast!!!!!

I think I will keep with the Bible as it is written and not reinterpreted by you.

When Satan rebelled we don't know, just sometime before the temptation in the garden
We do not know how long adam and eve lived before they sinned.

To write down that you know is arrogance!

You could just read the verses.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You could just read the verses.

I have read those verses many many times. there is no way a normal usual reading of those produce the hypothesis you propose. You are adding opinion and drawing conclusions that alter the simple meaning of Scripture.

do you believe Creation took 6000 years or six days?

 

[Timtofly]

I have read those verses many many times. there is no way a normal usual reading of those produce the hypothesis you propose. You are adding opinion and drawing conclusions that alter the simple meaning of Scripture.

do you believe Creation took 6000 years or six days?

That last question has literally nothing to do with my post one iota.

That just shows how you totally missed God's Word and jumped directly to human opinion.

You read those verses as you were taught by human theology passed down from a wrong human opinion, back whenever.

 

[BeyondET]

Genesis 6:1-8
When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.


Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization. Could this really be? Could spiritual being really fornicate with human beings even though Paul taught us that heavenly bodies have a different splendor than human bodies in 1 Corinthians 15? Would God really allow this to happen? I believe not

I believe that the sons of God were the faithful line of God and that the daughters of men were the daughters of the unfaithful line of Cain.

In the previous chapters of Genesis we see that the descendants of Seth were faithful to God while the descendants of Cain were not. All we hear about the descendants of Cain is the great accomplishments they made but Seth's descendants were great men of God. The earth seamed quite peaceful up until this time so what changed?

God constantly warns the faithful to not dwell with the unfaithful throughout the Old Testament and there is a reason for this which is to keep the faithful from being corrupted. We read that the sons of God were only attracted to the daughters of men because they are beautiful not because they loved them so the reason why they fornicated with them was for lust not love.

Over time while dwelling with the unfaithful the faithful conformed to the ways of the unfaithful until the faithful came down to just one man Noah. The ways of the Lord was lost and the offspring of these people lived for themselves not for the Lord as the whole world became filled with wickedness and this was the reason that God decided to destroy almost all of the human race with the great flood.

God protected the line of the faithful and continued to do so throughout the bible. I believe that this kind of serves as warning to the church and will be the same reason that God will destroy the human race in the future by fire as the church is slowly conforming to the ways of the world.

I believe along the same lines but flopped, the sons of God are descendents of Cain, one of Eve's children who God helped with birth, she even states it with God's help she gave birth. That is why God told Eve her giving birth will be painful then on.
later Adam and Eve had Seth of their likeness and image thus he had children thus daughters of men.

how is that, no doubt is a leap indeed, but chapter 4 is read before chapter 3 except verse 25/26 in chapter 4.

The birth of the brothers is way before Cain even had children so it can be read like that as well.

the days are like that also, 124356, no wondering how plants grow without sunlight.

 

[Marty fox]

I believe along the same lines but flopped, the sons of God are descendents of Cain, one of Eve's children who God helped with birth, she even states it with God's help she gave birth. That is why God told Eve her giving birth will be painful then on.
later Adam and Eve had Seth of their likeness and image thus he had children thus daughters of men.

how is that, no doubt is a leap indeed, but chapter 4 is read before chapter 3 except verse 25/26 in chapter 4.

The birth of the brothers is way before Cain even had children so it can be read like that as well.

the days are like that also, 124356, no wondering how plants grow without sunlight.

I think Eve said that because he was the first born he wasn’t made outside of the body.

Genesis 4:13-16
13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Thus Seth wasn’t the third person born many others were born before him the ones who Cain feared would kill him.

 

[Marty fox]

No verse in Scripture claims Eve gave birth to Cain after the Garden, any more than you claim what I see as wrong. You see what you want to see.

Can you prove when Cain and Abel were born? No you cannot. Seth was born when Adam was 130. You have no proof any more than I do that it could have been over 100 years between births. Normally people do not wait until they are 130 to have offspring. You claim Eve and Adam had Cain and Abel on the 6th day in Genesis 1:26-28, no? They also sinned the next day, no? Can you explain how Seth was born 130 years later, instead of the day after Cain killed Abel? How old were Cain and Abel in chapter 4? Was Seth born the next day?

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."

This verse does not say anything about after leaving the Garden. But notice this:

"And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord."

This story had at least 128 years "to come to pass". Let's assume procreation worked even better than it does today, well in fact it did:

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children"

You really think Adam waited until after he disobeyed God to procreate with Eve? Once again:

"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Nothing in there about being celibate. Chapter 4 could have easily started out after chapter 2 chronologically. How would Eve know a difference in child bearing if there was no pre-disobedience child birth?

The process of time in Genesis 4:3 very well could have included the events in Genesis 3.

Genesis 3 was literally only about Adam's disobedience and nothing else. It was not a necessary chronological event preceding Genesis 4. Genesis 4:25:

"And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."

Adam was given Seth 130 years from some starting point. There is really no indication that Adam left the Garden at 129 years. I think Adam left the Garden 100 years before Seth was born.

I think Adam was placed in the Garden 130 years before Seth was born. There was a 30 year span where chapters 2 and 3 played out. I also think chapter 4 happened in a way that those words "in the process of time" included part of those 30 years. God indicated that Eve already experienced birth and that it would be a lot different the next time. So in 100 years how much sorrow did Adam and Eve have before Seth was born? If you claim they were in the Garden for over 100 years, exactly what happened during that time? If you claim they left the Garden 130 years before Seth, what was the process of time needed for between Cain and Abel growing up with no one around? Are you saying Cain was a tiller of the ground as soon as he could walk? Is being a tiller of the ground prohibited in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve were now in dead corruptible flesh. That was prohibited in the Garden lest they continue to eat of the tree of life and live forever in sin and dead corruptible flesh. Did not God kill an animal in the Garden to cloth Adam and Eve?

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

Nor does it ever say that Cain and Abel made sacrifices for sin.

Genesis 4:13-16
13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

By the way Seth wasn’t the third born many others were born before him the ones who Cain feared.

 

[BeyondET]

I think Eve said that because he was the first born he wasn’t made outside of the body.

Genesis 4:13-16
13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Thus Seth wasn’t the third person born many others were born before him the ones who Cain feared would kill him.

Well i think the men and women in Gen 1 are the human giant races but that's me lol.

the place Cain left was Eden, him and Abel brought things to God in the garden that was in Eden.

16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

I don't think God would tell a woman her pain will increase in child birth if she never had a child and knew what it was.

was it a delayed punishment and did she say O this is what God meant about child birth ok.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That last question has literally nothing to do with my post one iota.

But it does. You say the seventh day was 1,000 years. so how long were the first six days?

That just shows how you totally missed God's Word and jumped directly to human opinion.

You read those verses as you were taught by human theology passed down from a wrong human opinion, back whenever.

Another lie from your pen!

I am sorry, but to get to accept your reinterpretation of Scripture, I will need to borrow those special eyeglasses you must have. Because what you writed must be inbetween the lines, because it i snot in the lines of Words in Scripture. You resort to ad-hominems because you cannot defend biblically your hypothesis.

 

[Timtofly]

I believe along the same lines but flopped, the sons of God are descendents of Cain, one of Eve's children who God helped with birth, she even states it with God's help she gave birth. That is why God told Eve her giving birth will be painful then on.
later Adam and Eve had Seth of their likeness and image thus he had children thus daughters of men.

how is that, no doubt is a leap indeed, but chapter 4 is read before chapter 3 except verse 25/26 in chapter 4.

The birth of the brothers is way before Cain even had children so it can be read like that as well.

the days are like that also, 124356, no wondering how plants grow without sunlight.

You can't just change God's Word and order to appease offended human understanding.

Plants do not all die every night when the sun is not shining on them. You do not have to change the days around. Obviously every 12 hours since that day, the sun is not shining on the plants and trees. They do just fine. Missing 12 hours of light or even 24 hours did not kill all those new plants and trees.

You don't have to dogmatically re-arrange the chapter order. We get there was overlap. Cain and Abel were born before Adam disobeyed. They were mentioned after Adam and Eve were banished, to not interrupt the flow of thought.

The sons of God mentioned in Chapter 6 were already alive and enjoying life in Genesis 1. They were not mentioned in 2, 3, 4, or 5 because that would interrupt the flow of thought.

They existed just fine just like plants did just fine prior to the sun. They did not have to be defined, until the narrative of Adam and Eve was given.

 

[Timtofly]

I think Eve said that because he was the first born he wasn’t made outside of the body.

Genesis 4:13-16
13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Thus Seth wasn’t the third person born many others were born before him the ones who Cain feared would kill him.

Were they born the same way is the point. Does multiply and fill the earth mean the same thing to sons of God, as opposed to Eve who was separated by God from Adam who was a son of God.

That would mean God separated all the sons of God and gave them wives. That is never indicated nor implied. They were never alone. Only Adam was alone when placed in Paradise all by himself.

That Adam was separated means, and could imply, the sons of God multiplied a different way. Cain and Abel were born in a different way than how all the other sons of God multiplied.

Cain did not have to find a fallen sinful human. A wife from the multiplied sons of God is implied and Cain was born as a son of God, not in Adam's image like Seth. We can only assume what offspring means to sons of God.

Then after Adam disobeyed, birth became even more painful, and death could happen, even in the womb.

Thus all births from Adam's dead flesh results in more of Adam's dead flesh, even with sons of God. The perfect nature of the physical body of a son of God could not remove the imperfections of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Yet even the sons of God had multiple generations. It is the generation of Noah's Day, not necessarily the original sons of God created on the 6th day who became wicked. Look at Noah's father.

"And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:"

It implies that Lemech could have had many daughters before his first son. It could have been all of Noah's sisters who were the "daughters of man" Noah watched for over 400 years what became of those unions. We are not told if that is what formed Noah's righteous convictions. All we know is that Noah became righteous in trusting God. The sons of God became wicked and disobedient to God. But it is Adam's disobedience that brought sin and death into the world. It was Adam's dead flesh that allowed sin to multiply, even with Noah and his 3 sons. Noah obeyed God, and that is what made him righteous.

 

[Timtofly]

But it does. You say the seventh day was 1,000 years. so how long were the first six days?



Another lie from your pen!

I am sorry, but to get to accept your reinterpretation of Scripture, I will need to borrow those special eyeglasses you must have. Because what you writed must be inbetween the lines, because it i snot in the lines of Words in Scripture. You resort to ad-hominems because you cannot defend biblically your hypothesis.

Then explain to me why you even question if the first 6 days were 1,000 years long?

You brought it up.

I was posting about a Sabbath Day. As defined in Genesis 2 as a Day of Adonai. That is a Day of the Lord. I was pointing out a Lord's Day, not the day of the week, Saturday.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization.

Which "Authoritative version" of the "theology" would you like?? There are two major ones. Personally the "Angel/Human" interaction would be my knee-jerk favorite.

The children produced in this manner wouldn't be of the ADAMIC LINE and thereby Jesus' SIN offering wouldn't apply - i.e. the "human adamic race" had been corrupted, and required cleansing for the plan of salvation to operate properly - hence the cleansing flood.

And there IS a "Special group of angels", kept in chains, and apparently related to the times of Noah reserved for a future judgement (2 Pet 2:4, Jude 1:6).

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then explain to me why you even question if the first 6 days were 1,000 years long?

You brought it up.

I was posting about a Sabbath Day. As defined in Genesis 2 as a Day of Adonai. That is a Day of the Lord. I was pointing out a Lord's Day, not the day of the week, Saturday.

Because you call day xeven 1,000 years long. so I was wondering if you believe days 1-6 are simple days or 1,000 years long.

It is not hard to answer. Why do you not simply8 answer the question?

God in giving the ten commandments disagrees with you:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No one until modern times thought of teh seventh day as 1,000 years. so are th efirst six days of creation 1,000 years ? Yes or no.

 

[BeyondET]

You can't just change God's Word and order to appease offended human understanding.

Plants do not all die every night when the sun is not shining on them. You do not have to change the days around. Obviously every 12 hours since that day, the sun is not shining on the plants and trees. They do just fine. Missing 12 hours of light or even 24 hours did not kill all those new plants and trees.

You don't have to dogmatically re-arrange the chapter order. We get there was overlap. Cain and Abel were born before Adam disobeyed. They were mentioned after Adam and Eve were banished, to not interrupt the flow of thought.

The sons of God mentioned in Chapter 6 were already alive and enjoying life in Genesis 1. They were not mentioned in 2, 3, 4, or 5 because that would interrupt the flow of thought.

They existed just fine just like plants did just fine prior to the sun. They did not have to be defined, until the narrative of Adam and Eve was given.

Dawn and dusk before the invention of the mechanical clock, was a elusive time for people to know, it's about 18 min in the morning and 18min in the evening when there is light but no way to judge it.

Point being, there was evening and morning that is all that is mentioned your adding your understanding of time with a mechanical clock theory.

No one knows how fast the planet was spinning or if any at all specifically in the beginning when the earth was void and empty. And there is a galactic time and a universe time that has nothing to do with earth time.

Reading day 4 before day 3 is flawless, the Bible is written in such a way that there are many levels of understanding some of which can't be understood even by people today even my self, its for a higher understanding for tomorrow's people.