The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Taken]

I'll be sending you a 1st Grade reader to help you with your reading comprehension, since you cannot even READ what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. It's a wonder that anyone listens to you at all, since you cannot even 'see' what the words are on the page in God's written Word. So look for that 1st Grade Reader, like "See Jane run. See Spot run," etc.

Best keep those books for yourself, until you comprehend, Reading Jane is Running, means Jane is Running....keep reading until you discover what Jane does After Running!
Or you can STOP at Jane Running...and throw a hissy fit, because you were not astute enough to KNOW to there is MORE to discover about Jane, beyond her Running!

 

[farouk]

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Glory to God,
Taken

Good verse there, @Taken.....

So much in John's Gospel...

 

[The Light]

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

Hmmm. *yawn*

Please explain why there is a great multitude in heaven that returns with Christ as part of the armies of Christ before Armageddon if the Lord only comes once, after Armageddon. Don't be led by the blind.

Rev 19
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

[Taken]

Good verse there, @Taken.....

So much in John's Gospel...

It is astounding to me, the number of adults claiming to have been “raised” in the Church, who are so ignorant of the Truth, and so ignorant of which Truths do and do not apply to them, or Why.

It is prophecy I suppose. Many are called. Many hear. Few get it.
Truly, Truly, Thank God, the Few are Not alone.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

Brethren, you well know me by now, if you've read what I've written to show man's Pre-trib Rapture theory is false, and backing it up in God's written Word.

The danger of falling into that false Pre-trib Rapture theory trap in these times for the end will assure your falling away to worship the first supernatural Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem, and that first one WILL NOT BE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Lord Jesus warned His servants that first one to show up there in Jerusalem will work great signs and wonders that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect (Matthew 24:23-26). Jesus said do not believe that is Him.

But that false-Messiah that comes first is exactly who those preaching the false Pre-trib Rapture theory are leading the deceived to.

Even with the Luke 17:37 example of the two in the field, one taken and the other left, Jesus' answer to His disciple's question of "Where, Lord?", He revealed those 1st ones taken are to where the fowls will be gathered to eat on a dead carcase (Luke 17:37, and Matthew 24:28). And what are the Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors teaching about that instead? They teach the LIE that the 1st ones 'taken' are taken by Jesus to Heaven, and that the one left is Left-Behind, on earth, to suffer the tribulation! That of course is NOT written anywhere in God's Word; it is a made-up lie by those deceivers on the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

Being aware that Christ's faithful Church is not gathered until AFTER the tribulation, just like Lord Jesus revealed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, is the mark of the true followers of Christ Jesus according to His written Word. Thus we are to be prepared to go through the coming tribulation, putting on the whole Armor of God, to make a 'stand' in the "evil day" that Paul taught in Ephesians 6.

And recognizing per God's Word that the Antichrist-false-Messiah comes first, to deceive the whole world, and staying in the Faith, waiting on Jesus' coming afterwards to destroy... that false one (per 2 Thessalonians 2), is what the MAIN EVENT for the end is about.

 

[Taken]

Hmmm. *yawn*

Ever have a gnat buzzing about you, simply being a pesky annoyance, with no meaningful worth, but to be an annoying distraction?

Yes *yawn*. Gnats are not a food source for humans.
Hoping a gnat will feed you valuable worthy information, not likely.

 

[farouk]

What seems rather evident is that in 1 Cor. 11.26 the Lord's coming is particularly linked with the church.

 

[marks]

The danger of falling into that false Pre-trib Rapture theory trap in these times for the end will assure your falling away to worship the first supernatural Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem, and that first one WILL NOT BE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

How does that make any sense?

I'm thinking I'm either going to die, or I'm going to be caught up into the sky to meet Jesus.

How exactly does this "assure" I'm going to worship someone in Jerusalem?

That's non sequitor.

It's like me saying, If you don't believe you will be raptured, you will mistake Antichrist for the second coming.

That's equally unfounded and unreasonable.

As it stands, what a reprehensible accusation!

Much love!

 

[Davy]

How does that make any sense?

I'm thinking I'm either going to die, or I'm going to be caught up into the sky to meet Jesus.
....

It makes perfect sense IF... you stay in God's Word as written, because Lord Jesus warned His faithful in Luke 17:37 that the first one 'taken'... is to where the fowls will be gathered to eat on a DEAD CARCASE.

Jesus said two in the field, one taken and the other left. His disciples asking him, "Where, Lord?", and to the fowls was His answer. The parallel Scripture to that event is found in Matthew 24:28, and the phrase "carcase" is specifically about a dead corpse in the Greek New Testament.

And the Pre-trib Rapture doctors instead say the first one 'taken' is by Jesus to Heaven? Not what Jesus said at all! It's the other way around. Christ's faithful WANT to be left behind! That's why Jesus said those He finds still watching when He comes will be blessed.

Those in Christ listen to Him, and know what to be watching (the Signs He gave for the END), and that certainly ain't a bunch of, "He can come at any moment" type rapture ideas from men that skip His Signs.

 

[Phoneman777]

Sure can, the fallacy of treating Christ's Olivet discourse as if it was fulfilled in 70 A.D. by the Romans.

Q. How many questions did the disciples ask Jesus?
A. Two - when would be the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world.

The only way to come to a proper understanding of end times prophecy is to realize Jesus answered both questions simultaneously in Matthew 24, which means it is dual prophecy where certain elements have a local fulfillment in 70 A.D. but also a worldwide fulfillment at the end of the world.

The "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled in 70 A.D. but also will have an end time application...the "sign of the coming of the Son of man is not dual, and will be fulfilled only in the end.

 

[marks]

It makes perfect sense IF... you stay in God's Word as written, because Lord Jesus warned His faithful in Luke 17:37 that the first one 'taken'... is to where the fowls will be gathered to eat on a DEAD CARCASE.

Jesus said two in the field, one taken and the other left. His disciples asking him, "Where, Lord?", and to the fowls was His answer. The parallel Scripture to that event is found in Matthew 24:28, and the phrase "carcase" is specifically about a dead corpse in the Greek New Testament.

And the Pre-trib Rapture doctors instead say the first one 'taken' is by Jesus to Heaven? Not what Jesus said at all! It's the other way around. Christ's faithful WANT to be left behind! That's why Jesus said those He finds still watching when He comes will be blessed.

Those in Christ listen to Him, and know what to be watching (the Signs He gave for the END), and that certainly ain't a bunch of, "He can come at any moment" type rapture ideas from men that skip His Signs.

It makes no sense that because I expect to either die or be raptured that I'm going to end up worshiping antichrist.

Pure malarkey!

I'd suggest dropping that from your argument, myself.

Much love!

 

[Timtofly]

It makes perfect sense IF... you stay in God's Word as written, because Lord Jesus warned His faithful in Luke 17:37 that the first one 'taken'... is to where the fowls will be gathered to eat on a DEAD CARCASE.

Jesus said two in the field, one taken and the other left. His disciples asking him, "Where, Lord?", and to the fowls was His answer. The parallel Scripture to that event is found in Matthew 24:28, and the phrase "carcase" is specifically about a dead corpse in the Greek New Testament.

And the Pre-trib Rapture doctors instead say the first one 'taken' is by Jesus to Heaven? Not what Jesus said at all! It's the other way around. Christ's faithful WANT to be left behind! That's why Jesus said those He finds still watching when He comes will be blessed.

Those in Christ listen to Him, and know what to be watching (the Signs He gave for the END), and that certainly ain't a bunch of, "He can come at any moment" type rapture ideas from men that skip His Signs.

Sorry, but there ain't no AC rapturing folks to Paradise. The first and only Christ to come is the one taking the church to Paradise. When the Lord is finished with the final harvest, then Satan may get the leftovers.

"What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others."

At what point is the church no longer the husbandmen, and the vineyard given to Satan?

Has Satan been given the task of a husbandmen over the vineyard? What about an AC?

 

[The Light]

Ever have a gnat buzzing about you, simply being a pesky annoyance, with no meaningful worth, but to be an annoying distraction?

Yes *yawn*. Gnats are not a food source for humans.
Hoping a gnat will feed you valuable worthy information, not likely.

LOL. It amazes me that I can post countless scriptures that absolutely prove without question that what he is saying is incorrect. He reads right past it like it doesn't exist and plows on in complete blindness. How does the blind see?

 

[Phoneman777]

How does that make any sense?

I'm thinking I'm either going to die, or I'm going to be caught up into the sky to meet Jesus.

How exactly does this "assure" I'm going to worship someone in Jerusalem?

That's non sequitor.

It's like me saying, If you don't believe you will be raptured, you will mistake Antichrist for the second coming.

That's equally unfounded and unreasonable.

As it stands, what a reprehensible accusation!

Much love!

Those planning the NWO and the counterfeit Second Coming have written down how they're going about doing it, and they've said something very interesting which should be of great concern to all who believe the pre-trib Rapture (my words in red):

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists (Antifa/BLM/CPUSA, etc) and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil (if everyone is to bow down and worship, they must first see a need and obligation to worship). Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization (the pendulum will soon swing the other direction against leftists everywhere - we need to pray for them)..."

Now here's the part that should
concern Pretrib folks:​

"...AND THE MULTITUDES DISILLUSIONED WITH CHRISTIANITY WHOSE SPIRITS WILL BE FROM THAT MOMENT WITHOUT DIRECTION AND LEADERSHIP AND ANXIOUS FOR AN IDEAL, BUT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WHERE TO SEND ITS ADORATION (when the crisis reaches epic proportions and chaos reigns supreme and terror fills the streets, disillusioned Christians who've been waiting for Jesus to sneak into town and sneak out with the saints will be filling the streets, confused and terrified and shouting to the heavens demanding to know from God what happened to the Rapture) will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view."​

This is what they're planning and everything seems to be going along according to plan.

 

[The Light]

Q. How many questions did the disciples ask Jesus?
A. Two - when would be the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world.

The only way to come to a proper understanding of end times prophecy is to realize Jesus answered both questions simultaneously in Matthew 24, which means it is dual prophecy where certain elements have a local fulfillment in 70 A.D. but also a worldwide fulfillment at the end of the world.

The "abomination of desolation" was fulfilled in 70 A.D. but also will have an end time application...the "sign of the coming of the Son of man is not dual, and will be fulfilled only in the end.

Read this.

Luke 21
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Like most people you claim that the destruction of the temple is the fulfillment of there being not one stone upon another. Well, there is still one stone upon another. If the facts aren't good enough for you, please tell WHAT SIGN was there when these things happened and what sign did Jesus say there will be when these things happen?

 

[marks]

Those planning the NWO and the counterfeit Second Coming have written down how they're going about doing it, and they've said something very interesting which should be of great concern to all who believe the pre-trib Rapture (my words in red):

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists (Antifa/BLM/CPUSA, etc) and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil (if everyone is to bow down and worship, they must first see a need and obligation to worship). Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization (the pendulum will soon swing the other direction against leftists everywhere - pray for them)..."

Now here's the part that should
concern Pretrib folks:​

"...AND THE MULTITUDES DISILLUSIONED WITH CHRISTIANITY WHOSE SPIRITS WILL BE FROM THAT MOMENT WITHOUT DIRECTION AND LEADERSHIP AND ANXIOUS FOR AN IDEAL, BUT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WHERE TO SEND ITS ADORATION (when the crisis reaches epic proportions and chaos reigns supreme and terror fills the streets, disillusioned Christians who've been waiting for Jesus to sneak into town and sneak out with the saints will be filling the streets, confused and terrified and shouting to the heavens demanding to know from God what happened to the Rapture) will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view."​

This is what they're planning and everything seems to be going along according to plan.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying here.

The only One who is going to be able to catch away all those "in Christ", bringing us up into the sky, to meet with Jesus, Whom I already know, and to be physically transformed, the body of my humiliation transformed to be like the body of His glory, well, Should that not happen . . . it doesn't translate into "beast worship".

You do understand "non-sequitor", right?

Yeah. Those poor poor pre-tribbers who lost all faith and reason when their little theory didn't work out. I've heard it before.

And it's making up stuff to malign those with whom you disagree, and, this can't be your best argument, can it be??

What about you?

Won't you drop to your knees and worship the beast when you realize you missed the rapture?

This sort of reasoning is all nonsense, and it surprises me every time someone trots it out.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

More examples of men's seminary leaven fragments added to God's Word, both Futurism and Historicism fall in the ditch.

Dispensationalism, Historicism, Pretetism, all man's creations

 

[The Light]

Now here's the part that should
concern Pretrib folks:​

"...AND THE MULTITUDES DISILLUSIONED WITH CHRISTIANITY WHOSE SPIRITS WILL BE FROM THAT MOMENT WITHOUT DIRECTION AND LEADERSHIP AND ANXIOUS FOR AN IDEAL, BUT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WHERE TO SEND ITS ADORATION (when the crisis reaches epic proportions and chaos reigns supreme and terror fills the streets, disillusioned Christians who've been waiting for Jesus to sneak into town and sneak out with the saints will be filling the streets, confused and terrified and shouting to the heavens demanding to know from God what happened to the Rapture) will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view."​

This is what they're planning and everything seems to be going along according to plan.

Now here's the part that should end the concernment of any watching for the coming of the Lord before the tribulation.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

And then of course there is this...

1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

And this...

Hebrews 9
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

And anyone that doesn't believe in a pretrib rapture should be concerned about this....

Matthew 24
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying here.

The only One who is going to be able to catch away all those "in Christ", bringing us up into the sky, to meet with Jesus, Whom I already know, and to be physically transformed, the body of my humiliation transformed to be like the body of His glory, well, Should that not happen . . . it doesn't translate into "beast worship".

You do understand "non-sequitor", right?

Yeah. Those poor poor pre-tribbers who lost all faith and reason when their little theory didn't work out. I've heard it before.

And it's making up stuff to malign those with whom you disagree, and, this can't be your best argument, can it be??

What about you?

Won't you drop to your knees and worship the beast when you realize you missed the rapture?

This sort of reasoning is all nonsense, and it surprises me every time someone trots it out.

Much love!

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

 

[marks]

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

So you've said.

Much love!