is doing sexual things with a boyfriend/girlfriend sin...

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

On how many levels are you wrong on this. Preaching garbage and you cannot even pull up scriptures from a real Bible.
The desire to condemn is not Christian.
I have already proven that a wedding ceremony is not a biblical requirement.
Nor was it a custom. You can look it up for yourself, the first documented Christian wedding occurred in the 9th century.
You have a bunch of false beliefs running around in your head and suggest others are wrong because they do not share in your fantasy world.

God made the physical aspects of sex and all the desires and the devil was not even consulted on it.
If two people that are in love....make love, it is a beautiful thing. No guilt and no sin.
It is Christians like you that try to make....what God made and instituted dirty.
Christian couples that are in love should have a beautiful wedding because over time we learned that that is the right thing to do. But according to the Bible they formed a marriage when they chose to join. When a couple has a wedding it is a public declaration of their love and the vows are a commitment to one another.....but God already knew.

When the Bible talks about sexual sins....it is referring to various forms of casual sex with no love.

Yes I understand you're going to promote sexual immorality, that's obvious, you will continue to teach that two single people having sex out of wedlock(male& female) whether they are Christians or not are not practicing sexual immorality. That's the way of those who say they're Christians but are not. You will always encourage and promote sexual immorality.

 

[Lambano]

@Lambano - Well said. Indeed he does know their hearts...If you were a young lady as I am believing the O/P is... who has a BF Perhaps she is living at home with her parents, IDK. Is this going to be considered as a married if they start touching one another etc as she had previously posted?

Ideally, I would prefer they first demonstrate their commitment to one another through acts of self-giving, of putting the other's needs before their own, which requires self-control - but from personal experience, I can say that sometimes touching each other intimately and the vulnerability that entails is an early stage of commitment to each other.

 

[farouk]

@Lambano - Well said. Indeed he does know their hearts...If you were a young lady as I am believing the O/P is... who has a BF Perhaps she is living at home with her parents, IDK. Is this going to be considered as a married if they start touching one another etc as she had previously posted?

I think it's not so much a matter of achieving supposed emotional authenticity as it is following the order of things in Scripture.

 

[Angelina]

Ideally, I would prefer they first demonstrate their commitment to one another through acts of self-giving, of putting the other's needs before their own, which requires self-control - but from personal experience, I can say that sometimes touching each other intimately and the vulnerability that entails is an early stage of commitment to one another.

I'm inclined too disagree with you my friend. Unfortunately, touching can also lead to just sex with no commitment. Particularly among young people. Touching does not constitute future marriage.... "6 of one and half a dozen of the other" ;)

 

[Lambano]

I'm inclined too disagree with you my friend. Unfortunately, touching can also lead to just sex with no commitment. Particularly among young people. Touching does not constitute future marriage.... "6 of one and half a dozen of the other" ;)

All too true. Such is the human condition.

 

[Lambano]

I think it's not so much a matter of achieving supposed emotional authenticity as it is following the order of things in Scripture.

You mean, paying my future father-in-law the dowry first?

I will note that in the Exodus 22:16-17 model, intercourse or what-have-you does not make the couple "married". The couple is not married until the father of the bride (i.e., an authority figure) says they're married, regardless of whether they had sex or not.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes I understand you're going to promote sexual immorality, that's obvious, you will continue to teach that two single people having sex out of wedlock(male& female) whether they are Christians or not are not practicing sexual immorality. That's the way of those who say they're Christians but are not. You will always encourage and promote sexual immorality.

Truth is not promoting immorality.

 

[Grailhunter]

I think it's not so much a matter of achieving supposed emotional authenticity as it is following the order of things in Scripture.

So what scriptures are you talking about

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Truth is not promoting immorality.

Yes it is. You're teaching people the idea that two single people having sex out of wedlock are not sinning against God. The scriptures tell us sexual immorality is a sin, and two single people having sex out of wedlock are committing sexual immorality. The fact that you're saying that's not true, you're telling people who are single and having sex out of wedlock, they're not sinning and don't need to stop having sex with one another out of wedlock. So yes you are promoting the practice of sexual immorality no matter how much you honestly believe you're not.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes it is. You're teaching people the idea that two single people having sex out of wedlock are not sinning against God. The scriptures tell us sexual immorality is a sin, and two single people having sex out of wedlock are committing sexual immorality.

Well I do not know where you are getting these scriptures but it is not from the scriptures that are in the Bible.
If you could find a scripture that says there is a requirement for a wedding ceremony there are a whole bunch scholars that would like to know that. Again the word wed or wedding does appear in the Hebrew language of the biblical era. Anybody can confirm that in the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. The New Testament speaks of marriage but never discusses a requirement for a wedding ceremony. So your fantasy religion just does not fly.

The King James Version has so many errors in it that it can be its own religion.

 

[farouk]

I also think Christians dads should teach their sons to respect women and advise them to have condoms ready.

@Pearl Yes, indeed about the respect part. I reckon that Christian dads ideally shouldn't need to give the condom rolling advice to their sons before they are married.

 

[farouk]

Pearl, Farouk: I think a young lady in that situation should herself have condoms ready. I know a young lady who regrets not having taken steps to protect herself.

Well, I'm not convinced that the Christian young lady needs personally to make sure she goes to the pharmacy (or gas station) for condoms to keep in her purse, like she would for make up.

 

[Dropship]

If two people fall in love, couldn't they just say the marriage vows to God themselves privately at home, or would God only hear them in a church or register office?

 

[marks]

or fornication?

Is it from flesh or spirit? Answer that, and you have your answer.

Much love!

 

[farouk]

If two people fall in love, couldn't they just say the marriage vows to God themselves privately at home, or would God only hear them in a church or register office?

There's a public side to marriage as well as a private.

 

[marks]

They kissed each other for the first time in their lives immediately after they said their final vows and the minister had pronounced them married.

I've heard of such things. What a blessing!

Much love!

 

[farouk]

I've heard of such things. What a blessing!

Much love!

If ppl want to wait to do that; okay. For ourselves, we didn't equate kissing with carnality; like, we kissed after we got engaged.

 

[marks]

If two people fall in love, couldn't they just say the marriage vows to God themselves privately at home, or would God only hear them in a church or register office?

As I've studied the Bible on this question, what constitutes getting married, the only answer I've come up with in the Bible is that the Bible recognizes marriage according to the culture's custom.

Much love!

 

[farouk]

As I've studied the Bible on this question, what constitutes getting married, the only answer I've come up with in the Bible is that the Bible recognizes marriage according to the culture's custom.

Much love!

Well, interesting perspective. This of course would get us into the whole sphere also of what constitutes divorce/remarriage, as maybe supposedly varying as one moved from one culture to another.

In terms of what local church elders would put into practice...

(If you follow the logic drift...)

 

[Grailhunter]

The whole thing with romantic relationships....ideally starts at home. Mom and dad....grand ma and grand pa.
An example of what love looks like. Then we teach our young people to respect themselves and others. In motion, what does it look like if you care for someone. Respect, manners, etiquette, patience.

Condoms are not for people that are not in a serious relationships. Standing ready at any moment for anyone is wrong thinking.
We are human but the plan should be that our decision to join should be a planned event. And why not? I am into fond memories, why not make it special for yourself and the lady.

And the good thing about making it a planned event....that means you are talking about it....and you have the opportunity to decide if you want to make that special event on your wedding night.

Accidental sex does not always workout well.....some times it is a train wreak.