Bible alone question

[Taken]

verify with scripture where is that in scripture?

thee faith was once delivered to the saints and not again to you personally in scripture

the church posses the fullness of truth 1 Tim 3:15

we must listen to men
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Acts 1:8
Acts 8:31
And many more

Listing a bunch of references to Scriptures that do not say what you claim has repeatedly been a waste of my time...


QUOTE one Scripture that says to PRAY TO SAINTS.

 

[Taken]

who interceded for the Israelites?

Queen Esther

who interceded for the newlyweds in Jn 2 queen Mary!!!

LOL, good grief do you not know the difference between a human monarch acting on behalf of her subjects...and the Spirit of God acting on behalf of humans Committed to God?

Face it, I accept it, you have been indoctrinated and brainwashed.
It’s called:

Rom 1:
[25a,b] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...

Mary, Mary, Mary...Mary statues, Mary bowing, Mary praying to, Mary your mother, Mary the sinless, Mary the intercessory, Mary beads, Mary trinkets, Mary ever virgin, Mary Churches....e-gads

Mary is mentioned very few times in Scripture.
Mary had very SHORT 9 month, Service unto God, yet an important Service she accomplished.
Mary did not provided a Service to the Public when she was alive, nor was she given a perpetual Service unto men After her death.

 

[theefaith]

Rev 12 is nothing to do with Mary. The Woman IS the Nation of ISRAEL.

Is ISRAEL, accepting Jesus is the Christ.
Is the DEVIL, seeking to destroy ISRAEL, for accepting Jesus is the Christ.

Rev 12:
[11] And they (ISRAEL) overcame him (DEVIL) by the blood of the Lamb, (Lord) and by the word of their (ISRAEL) testimony; and they (ISRAEL) loved not their lives unto the death. (Ie tribulation martyr’s)
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil (DEVIL) is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon (DEVIL) saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (ISRAEL) which brought forth the man child.(JESUS)
[14] And to the woman (ISRAEL) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she (ISRAEL) might fly into the wilderness, (Mt Zion) into her (ISRAEL) place, where she (ISRAEL) is nourished (VIA the 144,000 Tribesmen & A lamb) for a time, and times, and half a time, (3.5 years) from the face of the serpent.(DEVIL)
[15] And the serpent (DEVIL) cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, (ISRAEL) that he might cause her (ISRAEL) to be carried away of the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, (ISRAEL) and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon (DEVIL) cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon (DEVIL) was wroth with the woman, (ISRAEL) and went to make war (KILL) with the remnant of her (ISRAEL) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

who is the child?

 

[theefaith]

Listing a bunch of references to Scriptures that do not say what you claim has repeatedly been a waste of my time...


QUOTE one Scripture that says to PRAY TO SAINTS.

so when we have a difference of opinion who has authority to settle it?

 

[Taken]

who is the child?

Already said before you asked.

 

[Taken]

so when we have a difference of opinion who has authority to settle it?

Scripture.
You pray TO saints.
Where does Scriptures say to pray TO saints?

 

[EloyCraft]

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Would you agree Eloy, that it has to be applied truth? In other words truth only sets us free from sin if we apply it in our lives, truth being out there does nothing for those who choose not to apply it in their lives, correct?

Oh yes but not entirely Robert. That's a variable in my walk. This is how Jesus is finishing my faith.
If we define freedom as the ability to do what ought to be done. Some believers love for Jesus makes them very free without knowing much.
For me and my weak faith, I've found as I know Jesus more it's always the case that I recognize how much more He loves me than I thought. Knowing How much greater His love is makes me love Him more and consequently I can endure more for His sake. If I receive the grace to suffer for His sake I will be prepared to forgive and be His witness to others

 

[Robert Gwin]

Be specific, what you gather I am disagreeing with.



False “Christ’s” have mingled “AMONG” God’s people for eons.

“The LORD’S people is Faithful ISRAEL”.
Primarily they still are waiting for their Christ Messiah to be sent to them. God shall accommodate during Gods Last Tribulation.
*two witness Hebrew teachers/preachers.
*144,000 sealed Tribesmen teachers/preachers.
* A lamb.

“The Lord’s people are ANY (Jew or Gentile) Converted IN Christ”.
They have ONE Christ, Lord Jesus. Are secure in their ONE Christ Lord Jesus, Gods Baptizing Lamb.

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

What is your take on Gal 6:16 and Rev 5:9,10 Taken?

 

[Robert Gwin]

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Oh yes but not entirely Robert. That's a variable in my walk. This is how Jesus is finishing my faith.
If we define freedom as the ability to do what ought to be done. Some believers love for Jesus makes them very free without knowing much.
For me and my weak faith, I've found as I know Jesus more it's always the case that I recognize how much more He loves me than I thought. Knowing How much greater His love is makes me love Him more and consequently I can endure more for His sake. If I receive the grace to suffer for His sake I will be prepared to forgive and be His witness to others

Fantastic Eloy! Very true sir, being a Christian is a growth process. When we make our dedication we realize that we sign on for an eternity. Jesus was the greatest man who ever lived, he underwent so much for us, and because of that we have the privilege of everlasting life offered to us. Of course as always God never forces anyone to serve Him, so we personally have to choose to do so.

You know though Eloy, what Jesus did was wonderful and no one would have everlasting life if he was not willing to do what he did, but that was not the main reason Jesus came to earth, but it definitely was one of the reasons, do you know what the primary reason Jesus said was that he was sent to earth?

 

[Marine0311]

who interceded for the Israelites?

Queen Esther

who interceded for the newlyweds in Jn 2 queen Mary!!!

 

[Marine0311]

All you have are traditions with no scriptural proof without proof texting.

 

[BeyondET]

Mary was a virgin, Joseph was basically Jesus' step father. Jehovah is the Father of Jesus Faith.

Little more than just step father, both Joseph and Mary lineage go back to David.

 

[JunChosen]

Jesus was the greatest man who ever lived, he underwent so much for us, and because of that we have the privilege of everlasting life offered to us.

There was NEVER a privilege of everlasting life "offered" to us! Life everlasting was GIVEN to those whom God desired to save. John 3:16

Of course as always God never forces anyone to serve Him, so we personally have to choose to do so.

You are in error! Jesus said, "Ye have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you." John 15:16

do you know what the primary reason Jesus said was that he was sent to earth?

to redeem the sins of all those that God elected/chosen to salvation. Matthew 1:21

Of course as always God never forces anyone to serve Him, so we personally have to choose to do so.

"There is none righteous no, not one; there is none that seeks after God." Romans 3

 

[Robert Gwin]

There was NEVER a privilege of everlasting life "offered" to us! Life everlasting was GIVEN to those whom God desired to save. John 3:16



You are in error! Jesus said, "Ye have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you." John 15:16


to redeem the sins of all those that God elected/chosen to salvation. Matthew 1:21



"There is none righteous no, not one; there is none that seeks after God." Romans 3

Wow, I never knew that both God and Jesus were evil, picking and choosing individuals for salvation. I hope I am not picked then cause I would never want to serve a god that would choose to give life to some of His sons and not others.

Course, it may just be your understanding of the passages, what do you think Jun, is God evil?

I say that you have the choice sir, you personally choose to serve Him if you personally desire. He offers life to all, all you have to do is accept the requirements, and His honor obligates Him to accept. If God's word is not worth the paper it is written on, what hope does any of us have sir.

 

[theefaith]

LOL, good grief do you not know the difference between a human monarch acting on behalf of her subjects...and the Spirit of God acting on behalf of humans Committed to God?

Face it, I accept it, you have been indoctrinated and brainwashed.
It’s called:

Rom 1:
[25a,b] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...

Mary, Mary, Mary...Mary statues, Mary bowing, Mary praying to, Mary your mother, Mary the sinless, Mary the intercessory, Mary beads, Mary trinkets, Mary ever virgin, Mary Churches....e-gads

Mary is mentioned very few times in Scripture.
Mary had very SHORT 9 month, Service unto God, yet an important Service she accomplished.
Mary did not provided a Service to the Public when she was alive, nor was she given a perpetual Service unto men After her death.

God’s temple and ark not made with hands

 

[theefaith]

Scripture.
You pray TO saints.
Where does Scriptures say to pray TO saints?

we have a difference of opinion on what scripture means then who!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

 

[theefaith]

Already said before you asked.

then who is the child’s mother?

 

[theefaith]

All you have are traditions with no scriptural proof without proof texting.

the ot has types and figures for our instruction

Ark of the New Covenant!

Mary, ever virgin, mother of God!

Ex 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.



2 Sam 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the Lord of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.

Lk 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;



2 Sam 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.

4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.

5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

2 Sam 6:16 And as the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the Lord;

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:



2 Sam 6:9 And David was afraid of the Lord that day, and said, How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?

Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?



2 Sam 6:11 And the ark of the Lord continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the Lord blessed Obededom, and all his household.

Lk 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.



2 Sam 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The Lord hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying…



King David took the ark of the covenant up to the earthly Jerusalem! 2 Sam 6:10

King Jesus takes the ark of the new covenant up to the heavenly Jerusalem!

Rev 12:1




Gen 1 & 2

Jn 1 & 2

Lk 1 & 2

Lk 1:39
2 Sam 6:2

Lk 1:42

2 Sam 6:9

Lk 1:44
2 Sam 6

Lk 1:45
Blessing
David blessing 2 Sam 6

Lk 1:46
David’s song of thanksgiving

Psalm 132

3 months

Ark is a type of Mary

1 kings 2 15-18
Lk 1:32-33

19 throne for his queen mother

Jesus proclaims the kingdom

John 1 & 2
New Adam and Eve!
New creation!

Lk 1 & 2
New Moses and Ark!

Matt 1 & 2
New Son of David and queen mother!


Nehemiah 2:6
And the king said unto me, (the queen also sitting by him,)

Jeremiah 13:18
Say unto the king and to the queen,











Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
And cannot be used for any common purpose!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!

See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

So Joseph cannot enter in where the Holy Spirit has entered!

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!

Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!


Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?

Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!

No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2

Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!

That’s impossible!

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!




Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!


A consecrated virgin must be pure, immaculate, and permanent!

All for God!

Mary cos of Her being created by God immaculate (Lk 1:49) has always enjoyed the beatific vision of God in heaven, (Matt 5:8) Her intense, pure, and perfect love of God caused Her to make a sacrifice of her entire being and life to God Forever!
Lk 1:46

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

 

[Taken]

God’s temple and ark not made with hands

So? Start a thread of random thoughts, if you can not engage in dialogue exchange.

 

[Taken]

then who is the child’s mother?

Temporarily Mary filled the role of Jesus’ legal mother.
Spiritually Jesus who IS Spirit, has no mother.