Bible alone question

[Jim B]

where does the Bible tell you to have a reformation?

Where does the Bible mention the Catholic denomination? Nowhere!

By the time of Luther et al, the Catholic denomination had become so corrupt, so evil, and so far from God's truth that a reformation was necessary to bring the body of Christ -- His church -- back into accord with the teachings of the Bible.

Just as Jesus had to come to earth to form the true church, so Luther et al had to restore His body.

Thank God for Martin Luther and his compatriots who saved the body of Christ!!!

 

[EloyCraft]

Clueless! John and Jesus were not related; John is not Mary's oldest son. Matthew 13:55, "Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother named Mary? And aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?" No mention of John!

Where does it say that Mary is John’s spiritual mother? Chapter and verse, please.

Wow. Just wow. I'll let thee correct you

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Not exactly.
That is Philip saying that to another person, and he knew Jesus as the Man, of the family of Joseph.
So, He's not stating that Christ isn't God by saying that Joseph and Jesus are connected to Mary.
Also the Prophets were not saying that Joseph was the birth father of Jesus.
They were defining linage, as well as stating prophecy.

Notice this.
Bethlehem is the birthplace of Jesus, yet.....Jesus created the World...... John 1:10.
Think about that.

Phillip didn't teach Jesus was God, he taught as the other apostles taught that Jesus is the Son of God. It's YHWH God who created the world through his Only Begotten Son. YHWH God is the only creator. The Only Begotten Son of God is a master worker working with his Father and God when YHWH God created everything and everyone but Jesus Christ isn't a co-creator he's a master worker. So YHWH God created all other persons and all other things through his Only Begotten Son but it was YHWH God who was creating everyone and everything, YHWH God is the only creator.

 

[EloyCraft]

The bible alone is just a book on a table. No one will know otherwise unless someone can preach what it means. Miracles would be necessary.

 

[theefaith]

I repeat, "Matthew 16:23, " But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s.”

So according to you, Jesus handed control of the church to a man whom he called "Satan" and did not have his mind on God’s interests, but on man’s? No wonder your Catholic doctrine is so screwed up!!!

So, by your logic, Jesus was 110% right when He said that the Catholic denomination is focused on man's interests!

we are all personally fallible and subject to correction

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

 

[Jim B]

we are all personally fallible and subject to correction

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

What on earth are you talking about? You are making absolutely no sense!

 

[Taken]

You are projecting your modern mind onto people of antiquity. Entirely different culture and mindset. All these gymnastics would not go unexplained.
All because you insist That the womb that Incarnated God was not Holy.

What are you talking about?

Culture has nothing to do with who asked to look after Mary.
Trusting one (Because you KNOW them) to look after a loved one is the point.
Look how many parents send their children off to daycare centers, schools, that they do NOT KNOW that person that will be caring for their children.


Insisting the womb was not Holy?
I have never said such a thing.
Scripture never says such a thing.
Scripture defines Mary’s womb as virgin.
Not a secret what that means.
It doesn’t mean holy.

 

[Taken]

lame. The Law would demand her next oldest son would care for her.

Which next oldest son of “the supposed Virgin” are you talking about?

and is she John’s spiritual mother?

Why would she be “John’s spiritual mother”? Was she John’s teacher of spiritual things? Was she a spirit?

 

[Taken]

that command was given expressly to Adam and Eve!

LOL...really? God intended ONLY Adam and Eve to be husband and wife and multiply?

Must have been shocking for God to see, other men and women marrying and multiplying....LOL

do all single persons disobey God?

Did your newborn single daughter marry to be in obedience to God?

 

[Taken]

Now you understand the purpose of man made tradition.

By your tradition there would be Christian shelters housing converts. That would be happening if the person who bore the Savior as a virgin.was that weak in faith

What are you talking about?
My tradition of WHAT?

 

[theefaith]

Which next oldest son of “the supposed Virgin” are you talking about?



Why would she be “John’s spiritual mother”? Was she John’s teacher of spiritual things? Was she a spirit?

I’m sure she taught him personally a lot of things

you said there are biological children of Mary not us!

 

[Taken]

I’m sure she taught him personally a lot of things

LOL

you said there are biological children of Mary not us!

Actually YOUR QUOTE IS:

“the Law would demand her next oldest son care for her”.

That is YOUR conundrum, not mine.
Either you are saying Mary had other sons...
Or
The Law was violated...
Or both.

Your own words speak for you.

Fact IS, Jesus fulfilled the Law.
Fact IS, every Jew who became converted was no longer Under the Law.
Fact IS, what the Law demanded was moot.
Fact IS, Jesus chose someone He trusted to watch over Mary.

If you think the FACTS are “lame”....So? Personally I don’t give consideration to what you “think”.

 

[theefaith]

LOL



Actually YOUR QUOTE IS:



That is YOUR conundrum, not mine.
Either you are saying Mary had other sons...
Or
The Law was violated...
Or both.

Your own words speak for you.

Fact IS, Jesus fulfilled the Law.
Fact IS, every Jew who became converted was no longer Under the Law.
Fact IS, what the Law demanded was moot.
Fact IS, Jesus chose someone He trusted to watch over Mary.

If you think the FACTS are “lame”....So? Personally I don’t give consideration to what you “think”.

No we said “if” there are biological brothers of Jesus and sons of Mary then the next oldest would care for her but they don’t exist!

and Joses is not her son

Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Acts 4:36
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

(Cannot be Mary’s child, Mary was of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!) Lk 1:32-33

 

[Jim B]

What are you talking about?

Culture has nothing to do with who asked to look after Mary.
Trusting one (Because you KNOW them) to look after a loved one is the point.
Look how many parents send their children off to daycare centers, schools, that they do NOT KNOW that person that will be caring for their children.


Insisting the womb was not Holy?
I have never said such a thing.
Scripture never says such a thing.
Scripture defines Mary’s womb as virgin.
Not a secret what that means.
It doesn’t mean holy.

Culture has everything to do with whom Jesus asked to look after Mary. In those days, there weren't senior care centers, or even anything remotely approaching that idea. Widows became beggars unless someone provided care for them in their home. Jesus made sure that His mother would be looked after by John.

I don't understand the second part of your post.

 

[Jim B]

No we said “if” there are biological brothers of Jesus and sons of Mary then the next oldest would care for her but they don’t exist!

and Joses is not her son

Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Acts 4:36
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

(Cannot be Mary’s child, Mary was of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!) Lk 1:32-33

Did you put this in by accident -- Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses (Joseph), and Simon, and Judas? -- because you post over and over that Jesus didn't have brothers. But this verse said that He did! Have you finally discovered the truth?

BTW, can't two people have the same first name? The Joses (Joseph) in Acts 4:36 is clearly not the Joses (Joseph) of Matthew 13:55.

Acts 4:36, "So Joseph, a Levite who was a native of Cyprus, called by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated “son of encouragement”), sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and placed it at the apostles’ feet."

Matthew 13:55, "Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother named Mary? And aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?"

You're not making any sense.

Finally, where does it say that Mary was of the tribe of Judah? It was very unusual to trace descent through women in Biblical times.

 

[Taken]

Jesus made sure that His mother would be looked after by John.

yup. End of story.

 

[Taken]

I don't understand the second part of your post.

It was a response to an other poster.

 

[Taken]

No we said “if” there are biological brothers of Jesus and sons of Mary then the next oldest would care for her but they don’t exist!

Who are these stray children .... lol


Matt 13;
[53] And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.
[54] And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
[55] Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
[56] And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

 

[theefaith]

Culture has everything to do with whom Jesus asked to look after Mary. In those days, there weren't senior care centers, or even anything remotely approaching that idea. Widows became beggars unless someone provided care for them in their home. Jesus made sure that His mother would be looked after by John.

I don't understand the second part of your post.

he made her Spiritual mother to all Christians

and her womb is sacred blessed

Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

A bad tree cannot bear good fruit!
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit!

 

[theefaith]

Did you put this in by accident -- Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses (Joseph), and Simon, and Judas? -- because you post over and over that Jesus didn't have brothers. But this verse said that He did! Have you finally discovered the truth?

BTW, can't two people have the same first name? The Joses (Joseph) in Acts 4:36 is clearly not the Joses (Joseph) of Matthew 13:55.

Acts 4:36, "So Joseph, a Levite who was a native of Cyprus, called by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated “son of encouragement”), sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and placed it at the apostles’ feet."

Matthew 13:55, "Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother named Mary? And aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?"

You're not making any sense.

Finally, where does it say that Mary was of the tribe of Judah? It was very unusual to trace descent through women in Biblical times.

Jesus is the lion of the tribe of Judah and the house of david the king

Lk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.