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On the contrary, you are resorting to circular reasoning and do not believe what stands written in scriptures.
I have give you ample scriptural evidence re the conception/incarnation/virgin birth/of our Lord and great God Christ Jesus...and you are reflecting and now we are on the Triune Godhead which is also scriptural.
Topic jumping, not reading the content barrage all for His glory, not ours.
INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.
1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.
2. In surgery, the process of healing wounds and filling the part with new flesh.
Webster.
You deny this, then you deny the plain scriptures, calling God a liar, not so?
And since we are getting older and death comes for us all, we are going to give an account of the amount of light we have received as recorded in Scripture, Perfect Tense, in words, thought and deeds and our eternal destination is at stake here.
J.
Of course he did. When He made Himself nothing, became a servant and took on a human body He had to rely on Gods Spirit just as we have to.
52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
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Yes Johann I know the theological definition its the Scripture you are missing.
I am still concerned about your question that Christ did not need strengthening.
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Johann is saying he did not need strengthening...I am waiting for him to correct himself. Luke 22:43; Hebrews 12:1-3 (WHO set the joy before him????) Isaiah 50:4
And to strengthen my position...
This is what you quoted, out of context..
Jesus was “Strengthened with might, by his spirit in the inner man” Ephesians 3:16...Can you see your error?
...instead of....
And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and men.
The one here that needs to recant is you friend, not me.
THE LORD’S KNOWLEDGE.
I. OF THE PAST :
IN THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
(Allusions are indicated by an asterisk.)
New Test.
Old Test.
Mat_4:4.
Deu_8:3.
Mat_4:7.
Deu_6:16.
Mat_4:10.
Deu_6:13.
Mat_5:17; Mat_5:18*.
Mat_5:21.
Exo_20:13.
Mat_5:27.
Exo_20:14.
Mat_5:31.
Deu_24:1.
Mat_5:33 -.
Lev_19:12. Num_30:2.
Mat_5:-33.
Deu_23:21.
Mat_5:38.
Exo_21:24.
Mat_5:43.
Lev_19:18.
Mat_8:4*.
Mat_9:13.
Hos_6:6.
Mat_10:35; Mat_10:36.
Mic_7:6.
Mat_11:10.
Mal_3:1.
Mat_12:3; Mat_12:4.
1Sa_21:1-6.
Mat_12:7.
Hos_6:6.
Mat_12:40.
Jon_1:17.
Mat_13:14; Mat_13:15.
Isa_6:9; Isa_6:10.
Mat_15:4.
Exo_20:12; Exo_21:17.
Mat_15:8; Mat_15:9.
Isa_29:13.
Mat_16:4*.
Mat_17:11*.
Mat_19:4
Gen_1:27.
Mat_19:5.
Gen_2:24.
Mat_19:8.
Deu_24:1.
Mat_19:18.
Exo_20:12-16. Deu_5:16-20.
Mat_19:19.
Lev_19:18.
Mat_21:13.
Isa_56:7. Jer_7:11.
Mat_21:16.
Psa_8:2.
Mat_21:42.
Psa_118:22; Psa_118:23.
Mat_22:29*.
Mat_22:32.
Exo_3:6.
Mat_22:37.
Deu_6:5.
Mat_22:39.
Lev_19:18.
Mat_22:44.
Psa_110:1.
Mat_23:39.
Psa_118:26.
Mat_24:7.
Isa_19:2.
Mat_24:10.
Isa_8:15.
Mat_24:15.
Dan_9:27.
Mat_24:21.
Dan_12:1.
Mat_24:29.
Isa_13:10; Isa_34:4.
Mat_24:30.
Zec_12:12.
Mat_24:31.
Isa_27:13. Deu_30:4.
Mat_24:37*.
Gen. 7.
Mat_26:24*.
Mat_26:31.
Zec_13:7.
Mat_26:54*.
Mat_26:64.
Ps. 110. Dan_7:13.
Mat_27:46.
Psa_22:1.
Mar_8:18.
Jer_5:21.
Mar_9:48.
Isa_66:24.
Mar_10:3*.
Mar_13:12.
Mic_7:6.
Mar_14:49*.
Luk_4:18; Luk_4:19.
Isa_61:1; Isa_61:2.
Luk_10:27.
Deu_6:5; Deu_10:12.
Luk_11:51.
Gen_4:8-10.
Luk_16:31*.
Luk_17:26; Luk_17:27.
Gen. 6.
Luk_17:28; Luk_17:29.
Gen. 19.
Luk_18:31*.
Luk_20:18.
Dan_2:45.
Luk_21:22.
Hos_9:7.
Luk_21:26.
Isa_34:4.
Luk_21:35.
Isa_24:17.
Luk_22:37.
Isa_53:12.
Luk_23:30.
Isa_2:19. Hos_10:8.
Luk_23:46.
Psa_31:5.
Luk_24:27.
Luk_24:44-47*.
Joh_3:14.
Num_21:9.
Joh_5:39*.
Joh_5:46; Joh_5:47*.
Joh_6:32.
Exo_16:15.
Joh_6:45.
Isa_54:13.
Joh_7:38*.
Joh_8:17.
Deu_19:15.
Joh_10:34.
Psa_82:6.
Joh_13:18.
Psa_41:9.
Joh_15:25.
Psa_35:19; Psa_69:4; Psa_119:78.
Joh_19:28.
Psa_69:21.
II. OF THE FUTURE :
IN HIS OWN PROPHETIC WORDS.
MATTHEW
MARK
LUKE
JOHN
Mat_4:17
Mar_4:12
Luk_2:49
Joh_1:51
Mat_5:3-12; Mat_5:17; Mat_5:18; Mat_5:20-22.
Mar_7:29
Luk_4:21
Joh_2:19 -25
Mat_6:2; Mat_6:4; Mat_6:16; Mat_6:18.
Mar_8:35
Luk_7:47-48
Joh_3:13-14
Mat_7:72
Mar_9:18
Mar_9:931
Joh_4:1Mar_9:41 :14; Joh_4:21-23; Joh_4:50
Mat_8:11-12
Mar_10:45
Luk_12:32
Joh_5:87-19
Mat_9:6; Mat_9:15
Mar_11:2-3
Mar_11:14
Joh_6:27
Joh_6:33-40
Joh_6:47
Joh_6:51
J Joh_6:64 -39
Mat_11:11; Mat_11:22-24; Mat_11:29
Mar_13:2
Luk_15:10
Joh_8:12
Joh_8:281
Luk_22:37
Joh_13:19-20
Mat_18:1439
Joh_20:17-23
24
Joh_21:6-19; Joh_21:22
25
Mat_26:23
Well, in His human form, He DID need strengthening by the Spirit. In human form, He DID struggle in the garden and need ministering to there and after fasting all those days and nights in the wilderness, He did need ministered to.
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There you go, going back on what you said and then dumping hundreds of verses.
The truth is you don't know who God or Christ are...if you're not dumping copy and paste content, you are quoting dictionaries.
The problem is you trinitarian doctrines blind you from the truth.
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He had the mind of the Spirit like you, just he was given "quick understanding" Isaiah 11:3
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So far behind it's ridiculous you would suggest Christ didn't need strengthening. You ought to be embarrassed...but pride has you behaving otherwise.
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You are denying the miraculous conception of Christ Jesus!
24 Bible Verses about Incarnation
Most Relevant Verses
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:9
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
1 Timothy 3:16
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.
1 John 1:1-2
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us—
1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
Isaiah 9:6
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
John 14:9
Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Hebrews 1:2-3
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Matthew 1:22-23
Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Luke 1:34
Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?”
Romans 1:3
concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Philippians 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Hebrews 2:14
Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
Philippians 2:6-7
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.
Hebrews 2:10
For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.
Romans 8:3
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
Since you are in denial of this fundamental doctrine of the virgin birth of our Lord and great God Jesus Christ by becoming something He was not before, 2ndAorist...I can't help you friend.
J.
I can probably agree with that. We receive a down payment of the Spirit. But He received the Spirit without measure. Another verse says You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions;
Beyond your companions is to say, more than.
1Pe 3:15 but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience; that, wherein ye are spoken against, they may be put to shame who revile your good manner of life in Christ.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God should so will, that ye suffer for well-doing than for evil-doing.
1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the spirit;
I have answered you, but now you are making me out to be a liar in your desperate attempt to deny the core doctrines found in scripture.
The scriptures posted is for someone to learn, if not for you, then someone else might benefit since there is a famine of the word of the Lord where I am.
Shalom to you and family.
End of dialogue.
J.
Johann is trying to counteract a false teaching, that Jesus was not God. He began to slip into the opposite ditch but scripture caught him and he didn’t. That’s cause for joy and praise not cause for berating. And it’s difficult to always keep before you both sets of scripture.
By the way, I cannot adhere to the doctrine of trinity either. I do not see it.
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Quote please.
Absolutely, but to say Jesus' inner man was not strengthened, is to say the old man of the flesh triumphed over the new man. The whole basis of Christ praying was to be strengthened by his Father and is the very reason Ephesians 3:16 can be written is due to Christ overcoming. Boy Johann makes a mockery of Hebrews 5:7.
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I am holding his feet to the fire in the hope he will correct his view. I have given him plenty of opportunity to do so. This is an example of why the trinity is so dangerous. Jesus must be God therefore he did not need his inner man strengthened.
You should try the KJV in open discussion, not that I am against other versions, but on a forum like this the KJV.
J.
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