Spotting Heretics

[TLHKAJ]

Rubbish!

There is a great danger in continuing to sin!

“…sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Did you see me say that we should practice sin after we come to faith in Christ? No, you did not. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments. But our works will never be enough to save us. Salvation is in Christ alone!

 

[Behold]

@Behold

I would encourage you not to wait to be told you are both right and both wrong...that the full blessing might be yours now instead.

Please dont set yourself up as a mediator, unless you realize that Calvinism is a CULT teaching, and that this member, lied to me, in an early post, saying "what is that."...."im not familiar with it?. after i recognizes he was implying it, and i called him on it, in the next post
He then lied..."what is that"......"duh.....ummmm, what".
And subsequent to that, hes HOWLING IT, SCREAMING His CALVINISM.
So, Scott, get in the game, realize the situation, or get back on the bench.
Really.

See, its nothing to me, what Apak does, thinks, or if he howls at the moon later tonight.
Be my guest., Apak.
But on MY THREAD, if you come and lie, and then want to personally attack....me.....then its better for you Scott, to be quiet, unless you have something actually valid to offer the Thread's topic.
And IN that case, offer you want....feel free.

 

[ScottA]

Please dont set yourself up as a mediator, unless you realize that Calvinism is a CULT teaching, and that this member, lied to me, in an early post, saying "what is that."...."im not familiar with it?.
And subsequent to that, hes HOWLING IT, SCREAMING IT.
So, Scott, get in the game, realize the situation, or get back on the bench.
Really.

See, its nothing to me, what Apak does, thinks, or if he howls at the moon later tonight.
Be my guest., Apak.
But on MY THREAD, if you come and lie, and then want to personally attack........me...........its better for you Scott, to be quiet, unless you have something actually valid to offer the Thread's topic.

70 x 7

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Context

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[Behold]

70 x 7

You are assuming i have unforgiveness for this heretic.

Wrong again Scott.
Try to understand that a THREAD that i post, is a welcome mat, but its not a place for heretics to park and preach, unless they can deal with me.
So, you can PM Apek, and say..."you need to apologize for lying on Behold's Thread".
After you do that, we'll talk about your issue with pretending to be the Holy Spirit.

So, go and play judge and jury, on your Threads till then., Scott.
Thx.

 

[ScottA]

After you do that, we'll talk about your issue with pretending to be the Holy Spirit.

..And your accusation perhaps. Perhaps not.

 

[Behold]

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

How many times have you confessed your sin to God in the last 5 yrs?
Do you now say that all those sins you confessed were Accidents?
That would be a lie, and now you'd have to confess that willful sin you just committed .
Try not to do that.

So, you have to understand that your verse is not talking to the born again, its talking to Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, who are hearing the Gospel preached and are rejecting Christ = willfully.

 

[Behold]

..And your accusation perhaps. Perhaps not.

That which you said, makes no sense, but its trying to sound intelligent.
Why not just be real and honest?

So, let me..

Apak, came to my Thread, 1st page, and posted some Calvinism.
I called him out, gently, SUGGESTING that he was a Calvinist, based on something he taught in a early post, in this Thread.
He denied it...>"i dont know what that is.....im unfamiliar".
And 2 posts later, He's Ranting about "no free will", and so forth, which is the Hallmark Trademark, of a HYPER Calvinst.

So, you ignored all this, and want to pretend that you are the higher ground, and will mediate.

Stop.
Find a new game to play.,as that one has a STINK in it, that you have created.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This is just one of many threads that has people dancing (debating) around the actual meaning of salvation, either as a process which must be maintained with sinless perfection to the end of their life--or as finished having passed from death to life. Your post described the problem of considering salvation an unfinished need to "believe" and restate it over and over. It was an excellent point of the problem which should be easily defined as the difference between "believing" and "knowing." Such is salvation. As those who only believe consider only those passages that say we must endure to the end, not realizing that Christ is that End; while those who know they have come to the end of themselves and have passed from death to life, and it is no longer they who live but Christ who lives in them, wherein sin is no more accounted to them but put upon Christ and paid in full.

That difference is the crux of the problem of not properly defining salvation.

Thanks again!

Well that’s the original OSAS argument; those who do not endure in faith were never really saved to begin with, and so it’s the difference between really believing and not really believing. I respect the argument, but it has it’s own problems. It seems, though, that you may not understand what it means to continue believing. Salvation is not an unfinished need to believe, as you put it. Salvation and eternal life belong to the believing person, right now. Jesus is clear about that. You keep that which you really do have by continuing to believe in the ministry and sacrifice of Christ that secured it for you. This is very obvious in Hebrews 10:23 and Hebrews 4:14. We are told to continue to believe because the completed salvation we have received is so sure. It has nothing to with continually trying get something you don’t quite have yet. It has everything to do with keeping that which you already have.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Behold

Keep on sinning and confessing and see how that works out for you when you stand before God at the judgment.

I’m born again:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

If you still sin you are not born of God.

And you’re up to your eyeballs in heresy with Dispensational Theology!

Change course my friend, change course!

 

[Behold]

Well that’s the original OSAS argument; those who do not endure in faith

What you are describing is : Discipleship.
How do you know?
Because its you doing it, and no work is accepted by God as Salvation, as "any person will boast"...as you do, about how you keep yourself saved.
You're very proud to tell us about it, in hundreds of Posts, and a few Threads, and never do you Give Christ on the Cross ALL the Credit for saving you and keeping you saved., as you are too busy telling us about "Holding unto faith", as your self effort to save YOU.
And you'l do it again, as that is your religion.

 

[Behold]

@Behold

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

I teach how to stop sinning and confessing...
I have many Threads about this.....
See, if you are sinning and confessing, then your understanding of the Grace of God, is backwards, broken, or exists not at all.

And your verse is true......the born of God.....That is the born again SPIRIT< that is "One with God"..>"in Christ"...so, there is no sin there.
Very true.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

as "any person will boast"...as you do, about how you keep yourself saved.

No, it's 'I am believing in the one who keeps me saved.'

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What you are describing is : Discipleship.
How do you know?
Because its you doing it, and no work is accepted by God as Salvation, as "any person will boast"...as you do, about how you keep yourself saved.
You're very proud to tell us about it, in hundreds of Posts, and a few Threads, and never do you Give Christ on the Cross ALL the Credit for saving you and keeping you saved., as you are too busy telling us about "Holding unto faith", as your self effort to save YOU.
And you'l do it again, as that is your religion.

Surely you've found that scripture that says believing is an evil work of self-righteousness. Or are you still looking?

 

[ScottA]

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Yes, but again context. He says, "knowledge" of the truth...which is far different than dying to self fully given to Christ.

 

[ScottA]

That which you said, makes no sense, but its trying to sound intelligent.
Why not just be real and honest?

So, let me..

Apak, came to my Thread, 1st page, and posted some Calvinism.
I called him out, gently, SUGGESTING that he was a Calvinist, based on something he taught in a early post, in this Thread.
He denied it...>"i dont know what that is.....im unfamiliar".
And 2 posts later, He's Ranting about "no free will", and so forth, which is the Hallmark Trademark, of a HYPER Calvinst.

So, you ignored all this, and want to pretend that you are the higher ground, and will mediate.

Stop.
Find a new game to play.,as that one has a STINK in it, that you have created.

You are lashing out in defense. Fine. Even if it is unbecoming.

Nonetheless, I gave you both the answer for each issue.

 

[ScottA]

Well that’s the original OSAS argument; those who do not endure in faith were never really saved to begin with, and so it’s the difference between really believing and not really believing. I respect the argument, but it has it’s own problems. It seems, though, that you may not understand what it means to continue believing. Salvation is not an unfinished need to believe, as you put it. Salvation and eternal life belong to the believing person, right now. Jesus is clear about that. You keep that which you really do have by continuing to believe in the ministry and sacrifice of Christ that secured it for you. This is very obvious in Hebrews 10:23 and Hebrews 4:14. We are told to continue to believe because the completed salvation we have received is so sure. It has nothing to with continually trying get something you don’t quite have yet. It has everything to do with keeping that which you already have.

I would not say that salvation is "those who do not endure in faith were never really saved." But rather that the End that we must endure to is Christ, which He called Himself. Meaning, "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

As for Hebrews 10:23, one who continues in "hope" has not yet attained salvation. Therefore it does not apply.

23 let us hold fast the confession of our hope that it waver not; for he is faithful that promised:

Likewise, Hebrews 4:14 refers only to having "confessed", not to having received salvation.

Again, the point is that there is no returning from death, except in Christ, and no return of those who are in Christ to sin, for it is no longer they who live, but Christ.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yes, but again context. He says, "knowledge" of the truth...which is far different than dying to self fully given to Christ.

“But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:27)

Unbelievers are already adversaries. Here we see a different group that has been warned not suffer the same consequences of the adversaries - these are the converted ones!

 

[ScottA]

“But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:27)

Unbelievers are already adversaries. Here we see a different group that has been warned not suffer the same consequences of the adversaries - these are the converted ones!

No, but rather, he referred to those who had only received "knowledge" of the truth and then return to sin, choosing to go back instead of receiving salvation. Which is a condition placed upon Israel (Hebrews) of that last generation, of which Christ was "the Last" regarding their salvation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

No, but rather, he referred to those who had only received "knowledge" of the truth and then return to sin

For goodness sake man!

Look:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,” (Hebrews 10:26)

“we” is us!

The inspired writer of the book of Hebrews did not only receive “knowledge” of the truth, HE WAS A CONVERT!!!