What if you lose your faith?

[Behold]

What's so hard about the Holy Spirit leaving the same way he came into a person?

Listen up.

There is no verse , not one, in a Koine Greek Text, or in any real bible, that says that the HOLY SPIRIT< can leave you.
So, = You have no fear of spitting on the Cross and contradicting Christ Himself, as Christ told us "He would never leave us or forsake us"
And Christ ...."is THAT Spirit". 2 Corinthians 3:17. that is in all the Born again.

Ferris Bueller, you are a completed and unrepentant : Galatians 1:8

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ive not stated anything about Paul's belief.

I know you haven't. I wish you would. You keep avoiding what Paul himself says "Otherwise, you have believed in vain" means in 1 Corinthians 15:1-17, and instead have changed it to suit your own belief. So, address what it actually says, not what you want it to say:

1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (skip down to vs. 14 and 17 to see what potentially makes their faith in vain) 3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:1-17​

 

[MatthewG]

It is amazing how people go around condemning other people for some strange reason just for justification of satisfaction of self-gratitude in what is being done. I use to do the same thing to others, but Love is the most important, and truth is as well...

I believe the Gospels are great to learn about Jesus, but one needs to also consider all the other written biblical texts from Matthew - Revelation, to Genesis to Malachi.

Do not just take bits and pieces from the Bible but incorporate learning from all aspects of it, it was never written to us but primarily to people of that day in age, as it shares, - To the Church of Ephsus, To the Church is Colossae and the like.

 

[MatthewG]

If you are someone who is discouraged in continuing to learn the Bible, be encouraged and make sure you take everything in context, from the start of the chapter to the end of the chapter.

God bless you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So, = You have no fear of spitting on the Cross and contradicting Christ Himself, as Christ told us "He would never leave us or forsake us"

Quote the WHOLE chapter that reference comes from in the OT. Do you have the guts to do that? I want to show you the rest of the story...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ferris Bueller, you are a completed and unrepentant : Galatians 1:8

Oh, that reminds me. Did you ever find that verse that says believing in the blood of Christ is you trying to save yourself in a works salvation gospel?

 

[Behold]

I know you haven't. I wish you would. You keep avoiding what Paul himself says "Otherwise, you have believed in vain"

To believe in vain, is to have falsely believed.....= not actually mixing faith with the Gospel that you hear.
YOu hear it, and it makes impact. it make sense, ..but it has no root, because you have no real faith, as what you have is "vain".... not real.

"the seed fell on Stoney ground", is what Paul is referring to as "believing in vain".

 

[Behold]

Oh, that reminds me. Did you ever find that verse that says believing in the blood of Christ is you trying to save yourself in a works salvation gospel?

Why would i.?
That is your idea....so, you go and find it, if you need it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There is no verse , not one, in a Koine Greek Text, or in any real bible, that says that the HOLY SPIRIT< can leave you.

Oy vey...how long do I have to put up with you, lol?

We have the Son and the Father and eternal life via the indwelling Spirit. John explains the condition for them remaining in you (via the Holy Spirit) is that you LET the word remain in you:

"24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life." 1 John 2:24-25
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It's a condition. If you don't let the word remain in you, God via the indwelling Holy Spirit won't remain in you. This is so plainly stated it's utterly amazing you and BB can look at it and insist it isn't true.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

To believe in vain, is to have falsely believed.....= not actually mixing faith with the Gospel that you hear.
YOu hear it, and it makes impact. it make sense, ..but it has no root, because you have no real faith, as what you have is "vain".... not real.

"the seed fell on Stoney ground", is what Paul is referring to as "believing in vain".

I literally showed you right in the passage what Paul means and still you reject it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, LOL!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why would i.?
That is your idea....so, you go and find it, if you need it.

No, I'm not letting you off the hook. You say having to continue to believe is a work of the damnable works gospel. Put up the scripture that says that, or shut up.

 

[Behold]

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It's a condition. If you don't let the word remain in you,

First of all what you are saying is that the Gospel believed, is the Holy Spirit.
So, thats a fail.

Next. Its JESUS , who is the WORD, who is "that Spirit", that remains in the Born again.
So, as i told you, there is no verse that says that JESUS will leave you.
But in your imagination, that is your theology, im sure you think He can.

 

[Behold]

No, I'm not letting you off the hook. You say having to continue to believe is a work of the damnable works gospel. Put up the scripture that says that, or shut up.

You are a confused little man.

Listen, i said that YOU believe that FAITH is your savior.
You have stated that holding onto FAITH...(not Christ) but YOUR FAITH, keeps you saved.

THat's what i told you, 50 times at least.

Get it right, as when you lie, you just dig your own hole deeper, Ferris Bueller.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I have been a Christian for however long and I renounce my faith and I now have an unbelieving heart, I am still gonna be saved to the kingdom of the Heavenly Jerusalem, in your aspect?

That is exactly what Behold says. The problem with it is he is deceitfully leading people who aren't really saved to think they are really saved and ready to meet Jesus when he comes back.

He has yet to reconcile this ridiculous claim of being a saved/born again unbeliever with the transformation and conversion that has occurred in the born again person. He's literally denying the transformation by the Spirit that has occurred in the born again person by saying they can be in a very not-transformed state of living in sin and unbelief! It's like he has no personal knowledge of what it's like to be born again. You can't be un-transformed, and transformed by the Spirit at the same time!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

First of all what you are saying is that the Gospel believed, is the Holy Spirit.

No, goof ball, that's not what I said.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So, as i told you, there is no verse that says that JESUS will leave you.
But in your imagination, that is your theology, im sure you think He can.

I knew you would not have the courage to post the chapter in the OT where "I will never leave you and forsake you" comes from. Perhaps you know already that it has a condition, and that's why you won't post it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Next. Its JESUS , who is the WORD, who is "that Spirit", that remains in the Born again.

Yes! In the BORN AGAIN, not in the unbelieving, not born again person. Unbelief in Christ and being born again are so contrary to each other it's apparent that you do not have the personal experience of being born again. You can not be born again and live a Christ rejecting life of sin and unbelief. You have to have either never been born again or stopped being born again to live in sin and unbelief.

 

[Behold]

That is exactly what Behold says. The problem with it is he is deceitfully leading people who aren't really saved to think they are really saved and ready to meet Jesus when he comes back.

IF these "people" are born again, then Jesus is in them, and they are "one with God".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Listen, i said that YOU believe that FAITH is your savior.

I mean it exactly the way Christ means it:

“Your faith has saved you...” Luke 7:50​

If it's good enough for Jesus and Abraham, then it's good enough for me. Now, if you want to rant that's a works gospel, then you have to explain why it is that Abraham, our example of justification by faith, was saved by your 'faith is works' gospel, while we are not.

 

[Behold]

Yes! In the BORN AGAIN,

They have already BELIEVED.

The verse is "all that BELIEVE IN ME".........not "all that keep believing", as your heresy and satanic theology would twist the words of Christ.