Did God commend or approve of Rahab’s lie?

[L.A.M.B.]

So you would rather have people misunderstand the Bible and walk away from the faith because you don't care to give sound explanations of what is really going on? That does not sound very loving of others. Did not Jesus expound upon the Scriptures? Did not the apostles explain what God's Word means to others? Apologetics is a way of explaining things in God's Word.

Lol.......
Oh no I'm a firm believer in the truth and want ALL SAVED .
Jesus did not ARGUE.........
He spoke plainly and precisely about the Father's will.

Do they argue in a debate ?
Is a discussion an argument ?
See these are the results of apologetics !
Useless.................

 

[L.A.M.B.]

@Bible Highlighter

You might want to study a subject b4 you bring it up.
You are not very good at apologetics....give it up unless you like being smacked down !

 

[GEN2REV]

@Bible HighlighterYou might want to study a subject b4 you bring it up.
You are not very good at apologetics....give it up unless you like being smacked down!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

We are not upset with it because, in the context of the situation, it was done for a good and just cause and God clearly didn't hold it against her. On the contrary, He made His Power supernaturally avoid damaging her home; the very specific area of the wall of Jericho where she lived.

Again, you automatically assume she lied when she may not have lied (as one possibility). I am also not discounting the possibility she may have lied (as I said before in my opening posts). But we need to deal with how it was possible in light of reading James 2:25.

I'd say, for anybody with faith at least, that is proof positive that God condoned her actions and rewarded her handsomely.

Which fits well in the art of war possibility, and not her actually lying.

It's the same for the many others in the Bible that did so for good reason.

The Bible indirectly condemns polygamy by its narratives. Again, your issue here is dealing with ethics in the Bible and how that should remain consistent (unless there is a specific text that shows there is a change of that law or standard).

And, contrary to your post that claims you are only speaking against fake Christians, you are actually calling Christians hypocrites. Which is not true and makes you stand in an odd position as a professed Christian.

Of course you are twisting my words to mean something other than what I meant. What I meant was nominal Christians or those who truly have not surrendered their life to Jesus Christ and in following Him. In other words, do you believe all professing Christians are genuine and true? How about George Sodini? Do you believe he was a genuinely saved Christian? Check out this article here:

O.S.A.S. – THE WATCHMAN'S CRY

How is it that YOU judge these people in Scripture while God does not? Doesn't that make you higher and mightier, possibly more holy, than God Almighty? At a minimum, more holy than the rest of us?

God’s Word actually sets the standard of judgment. God condemns lying and all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8). God’s Word says that Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44). God cannot lie. So it would be impossible for God to agree with somebody who lied without them confessing and forsaking that sin. I believe God can permit sin to happen, but He does not condone it or agree with it. God does not commend sin or evil. Yet we know lying is sinful or evil. That is if she did indeed lie. Again, I am not saying that there is no possibility that she lied. I have stated that in the beginning of this thread if you read my posts in the beginning. The point here is ethics and whether you or other Christians actually agree with ethics and their reliability or stable or consistent nature. Is it always true and good to not lie? I say… yes. But most here have voted…. “Yes” to God commending a lie. It’s not possible for God to commend a lie because God cannot lie. God can permit lying to take place but God cannot commend lying or agree with lying because God is holy, and good. GOD holds to a certain standard of morality or goodness that is unbreakable. Sometimes in the Bible we don’t see others punished for a sin does not equate with GOD approving of that sin. People just fill in the blanks and assume God was okay with them sinning. That’s the culture of many certain types of Christians (not all Christians) that I have run in with and talked over the past 11 years online. They justify sin. I believe many are doing that here by saying that God agreed with or commended Rahab’s lie. Not even many Christian articles online that say that Rahab lied will agree with the thinking that God commended or agreed with Rahab’s sin. So this just shows you the state of Christianity today (Whether you see it or not). Again, I am not saying ALL Christians. Just look at the report card by our Lord on the churches in Revelation (Revelation 2) (Revelation 3). Surely an honest reading of these chapters shows that not all churches were right with God. In Matthew 7:22-23, we read about how certain believers who did wonderful works in His name were told to depart by the Lord Jesus Himself because they worked iniquity (sin).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@Bible Highlighter

You might want to study a subject b4 you bring it up.
You are not very good at apologetics....give it up unless you like being smacked down !

How would you know I am not good at apologetics? You said back in this post here that you don’t even care for apologetics and you said it is fruitless (Which suggests that you don’t read apologetic articles making you unqualified to make such a kind of judgment).

 

[L.A.M.B.]

How would you know I am not good at apologetics? You said back in this post here that you don’t even care for apologetics and you said it is fruitless (Which suggests that you don’t read apologetic articles making you unqualified to make such a kind of judgment).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Lol.......
Oh no I'm a firm believer in the truth and want ALL SAVED .

But not all will be saved. Jesus said narrow is the way and few be there that find it.

Jesus did not ARGUE.........

It depends on what definition of argue you are referring to.

Source:
ARGUE English Definition and Meaning | Lexico.com

If you are referring to the first definition, you would be incorrect. Jesus clearly gave reasons and evidence (Scripture) in support of the idea, actions involving God’s Kingdom. Jesus argued with the Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection. Jesus argued with the Jews in John 8.

If you are referring to the second definition: In Mark 3:5 it says Jesus looked upon the Pharisees in anger as He asked His questions in challenge to them. So again, I would say Jesus did argue even in this sense, as well.

Do they argue in a debate ?
Is a discussion an argument ?
See these are the results of apologetics !
Useless.................

Paul did, and he said he followed Christ.

“For he vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public debate,
proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah.”
(Acts of the Apostles 18:28) (NIV).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Posting emoticons do not undo your illogical statements. Again, you are not qualified to truly make any kind of judgment on the content or quality of my apologetics if you find apologetics resources (articles, videos, or live speeches) fruitless to begin with (Suggesting you do not even read any apologetics for you to truly know).

 

[amigo de christo]

Lol.......
Oh no I'm a firm believer in the truth and want ALL SAVED .
Jesus did not ARGUE.........
He spoke plainly and precisely about the Father's will.

Do they argue in a debate ?
Is a discussion an argument ?
See these are the results of apologetics !
Useless.................

Lets look at an example in the bible .
His apostels came to Him and told him but LORD dont you know your saying offended them .
Notice JESUS did not say LETS GO BACK and TRY and debate this . Or lets try and tone it down .
NO . He said leave them be , every plant that MY FATHER has not planted shall be rooted up
Too many apologetics go around trying to APOLOGIZE to the world about even SPEAKING the truth .
But as for the lambs we shall simply speak as the LORD leads us .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not all will be saved . Narrow is the way that leads unto LIFE and the WAY IS JESUS CHRIST .
Most folks wanna kneel down to an alter of love that makes a broad road to GOD . That love is false .
Jesus is the only way , AND ONE must BELEIVE IN HIM to be saved . And number two , HE aint the ministir of sin either .
NARROW is the way and folks better make sure they are not following another love , another gospel or another jesus .
Time to learn the BIBLICAL ONE . AND LET all that draws breath PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I believe there is a God honoring way to use the word “damn” (like talking about a damn connected to a bridge, or in reference to the things in the Bible, like a person who may be damned if they do wickedly and refuse to repent), and then there is a not so God honoring way for the use of the word “damn” that falls into the realm of worldly profanity. I believe you have indulged in the latter version here and I find it inappropriate. You would not use this word in such a way in a job interview or with your grandma, or in a small classroom of little children.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Bible Highlighter

You might want to study a subject b4 you bring it up.
You are not very good at apologetics....give it up unless you like being smacked down !

Ouch!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Lets look at an example in the bible .
His apostels came to Him and told him but LORD dont you know your saying offended them .
Notice JESUS did not say LETS GO BACK and TRY and debate this . Or lets try and tone it down .
NO . He said leave them be , every plant that MY FATHER has not planted shall be rooted up
Too many apologetics go around trying to APOLOGIZE to the world about even SPEAKING the truth .
But as for the lambs we shall simply speak as the LORD leads us .

Apologetics does not mean to apologize in the way we understand that word (Like saying, “I am sorry”).
It means to defend the truth of what the Bible says.
It is an attempt to uphold the integrity of the Bible. Some apologetics or defenses for the Bible are not all good ones, but some I have read have been extremely helpful to me. Basically if you ever had a tough time with a particular part in the Bible, and then one day God led you to a Christian article explaining your difficulty you had… that would be an apologetic (even if it may not be labeled as such). Any helpful guide or aid in defense of the Bible is an apologetic. For example: I remember one time I had a hard time trying to reconcile Jesus humanity with His divinity. How could Jesus grow in wisdom as a child and yet also be God? Does not God know all things? How can God grow in wisdom as child? But I found the answer by searching out tons of Christian articles that attempted to explain or defend the faith on this point. I came to a solution after much prayer and seeking. The article and video I found were extremely helpful, and they were apologetic in nature (Although they were not labeled as such). But that’s what apologetics does. It explains things to help reconcile what we may see as a problem or contradiction. It’s not that we will not believe the Bible anyways, but we as humans like to read things that make sense to us (if we can). We also want to know how to find reasonable answers to give to others who are looking for the truth, as well.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@Bible Highlighter

You might want to study a subject b4 you bring it up.
You are not very good at apologetics....give it up unless you like being smacked down !

Ouch!

First, it is childish for a person to even speak this way. Smack down? Are we back in high school? Really? Does one love the stupidity of wrestling to use such verbiage? This was highly inappropriate of him to say this. Christians are to speak in love and respect with each other, and your encouraging him here is not helpful or good (by saying, “Ouch”).

Second, I have been studying the ethics of the issue with Rahab since 2011 or 2012.
This is not my first discussion with other Christians about it, either. But I was hoping for believers to be more loving and respectful this time out. Looks like things are getting darker in these last days.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Christians are to speak in love and respect with each other, and your encouraging him here is not helpful or good (by saying, “Ouch”).

I am not looking to encourage anyone. That was not my intention.

But I think you belabored a simple matter because of your own feelings.

Yes, We should all strive to use sound speech.

“In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.” (Titus 2:7-8)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not all will be saved . Narrow is the way that leads unto LIFE and the WAY IS JESUS CHRIST .
Most folks wanna kneel down to an alter of love that makes a broad road to GOD . That love is false .
Jesus is the only way , AND ONE must BELEIVE IN HIM to be saved . And number two , HE aint the ministir of sin either .
NARROW is the way and folks better make sure they are not following another love , another gospel or another jesus .
Time to learn the BIBLICAL ONE . AND LET all that draws breath PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

Yes, this is the nature of this thread. I am defending God’s good ways, and yet others are saying that God commended Rahab for lying when God cannot lie. So why would God commend or agree with a lie then? He wouldn’t. I don’t discount the possibility that Rahab lied. But I also do not agree with others who voted “yes” in saying God commended Rahab for lying. That’s just wrong.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I am not looking to encourage anyone. That was not my intention.

But I think you belabored a simple matter because of your own feelings.

Yes, We should all strive to use sound speech.

“In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.” (Titus 2:7-8)

Regardless of you intentions, by saying “Ouch” it makes it sound like you are joining in on the fun like those who may smile and say “ouch” in a barbaric game of violent sports. Saying “Ouch” is not a form of correction, but it is an encouragement of his words. It does not mean you were showing disapproval but you were QUOTING HIS WORDS to simply RE-EMPHASIZE his words (showing you agreed with him on some level). His words were inappropriate, and your quoting them only gives his childish words more power when they should be shameful to say as a Christian.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Bible Highlighter

Compared to what some have said to me on these forums yours was more in the realm of comedy than an insult. I have been called FAR worse things!

Hey, they accused even Jesus of far worse things. Man up! We are in a battle. I have learned to let insults slide off my back.

“If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?” (Jeremiah 12:5)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@Bible Highlighter

Compared to what some have said to me on these forums yours was more in the realm of comedy than an insult. I have been called FAR worse things!

Hey, they accused even Jesus of far worse things. Man up! We are in a battle. I have learned to let insults slide off my back.

“If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?” (Jeremiah 12:5)

Actually, I have a pretty thick skin, and I attempt to pray, and love those who do wrong towards me. But I will not let people walk over me, either. For is that not one reason why we correct our children when they do wrong?

Anyways, it’s not just about my feelings here at all. We are on a public forum where children could be reading, and we all know the fate of those who lead a child into sin. To condone this kind of bad behavior amongst the community of the body of believers is truly sad. So no apology on your part for RE-EMPHAZING his inappropriate childish words which can be viewed by your reply “Ouch” as a fun activity of sport or fun? Like I said. I shouldn’t be surprised. We really are living in the last days. It’s why men cannot see the problem in voting “yes” to saying God commended Rahab in her lie. This is just wrong. Again, I am not saying Rahab did not lie. I consider that as one possibility. The problem is in their saying that GOD commended Rahab for lying. This is why I am truly saddened by many believers today. The replies by Christians here are simply childish and not loving and good. Things are getting worse in these last days.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So no apology on your part for RE-EMPHAZING his inappropriate words which can be viewed by your reply “Ouch” as a fun activity of sport or fun?

It was an honest reaction to a very sharp rebuke. I am sorry you took offense.

But there is a time for sharp rebukes:

“rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith” (Titus 1:13)