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Yes, all the born again have become a "new Creation" "In Christ".
There is no changing that later with a faith crisis or a behavior issue, as GOD caused that to happen, and its completed.
Without it, you can't go to Heaven.
There’s Nothing quite like a giant “Scripture Wall”That is ignored by everyone that encounters it....are you “ new” to Forums? The less people know, the more they type....it’s a good thing that Computer Ink is not tied into gas prices ....Were that the case, Grails wallet would be nearly as empty as his Accursed “Doctrine” Of Works.....
Sorry , Behold ....he is smarter than you think—-ANYBODY that peddles as much Horse - Crap as “ HE” does is BOUND to be an expert about it.....
Grailhunter
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He's willing.
But so is the devil.
The devil is clever.
This one is just needing attention.
@Grailhunter throws tantrums..........= "Scripture walls", and of course when he is really flailing, he'll say something hateful.
Possibly all related to a lack of discipline in the household @growing up..?????? as certainly he would not behave this way in Church.
At least we hope not.
Grailhunter
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Saying something hateful?..I could never keep up with you and JimB. No flailing and no tantrums. But I do have some scriptures that I think you need to review. Or at least have your black magic marker out to line them out.
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Hebrews 10: 26-31
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
2nd Peter 2:1-21
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; And if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring,
self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet. These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. For speaking out arrogant words
of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first, For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
1st John:3:8:
the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
You guys need to put your minds together and consider living your lives in a way that is pleasing to God.
You guys need to put your minds together and consider living your lives in a way that is pleasing to God.
I can only speak for myself, but I do way more than “Please Him”—— I *WORSHIP* Him ....As you would do also if you KNEW Him....you don’t know Him....To your dismay , You will find out on Judgement Day That He never “ knew you” either.....It’s the Terrible Fate awaiting ALL of the Tares that are “ Accursed” ( God Damned) for teaching “ False and Perverted “ Gospels” like yours—-”Do good, be Good” for Salvation....
No mention of the Astounding Mercy and Grace that God bestows on those with Contrite Hearts That merely “ Turn to Him” with child- like Faith.....No Credit, much less any “WORSHIP ” Given to the Savior That underwent Hell so you would not have to .....It’s all about “ YOU”and your ability to be a “ Good Widdle Boy”......Nobody can Worship Jesus and themselves at the same time . You Worship not Christ, but you Worship yourself and your pitiful performance of “ being good enough” to merit Heaven....
I “please God “ by knowing who “HE” is and who “ I” ain’t.....when it comes to my Salvation, I know who gets 100% of the Credit and I also know who gets exactly 0% of the Credit .....you will come to Know it someday....and it will be too late....Your Eternal Fate will be well- deserved....
All you Newbies out there! Wanna short - cut to “ Please God?” Sure you do ! Here’s how....Be prepared in your Heart to answer God in the following manner when you stand before Him and He ask’s you, “What did “YOU” ever do that I should let you into My Kingdom”......Try to remember this line from an Old Hymn That gets it Right....Try saying this—- “I DID NOTHING! ‘ Nothing of myself I bring, it’s ONLY to the Cross that I cling “ Try to remember that Line, all of you “ legalists” and “ Do -Goodists” out there that
think you can Merit Heaven with your pathetic “ morality” and Law Keeping......
Remember that you heard it here first, as you get carted off to Hell, immediately after hearing “I Never Knew You!”
Have a nice day!
I can only speak for myself, but I do way more than “Please Him”—— I *WORSHIP* Him ....As you would do also if you KNEW Him....you don’t know Him....To your dismay , You will find out on Judgement Day That He never “ knew you” either.....It’s the Terrible Fate awaiting ALL of the Tares that are “ Accursed” ( God Damned) for teaching “ False and Perverted “ Gospels” like yours—-”Do good, be Good” for Salvation....
No mention of the Astounding Mercy and Grace that God bestows on those with Contrite Hearts That merely “ Turn to Him” with child- like Faith.....No Credit, much less any “WORSHIP ” Given to the Savior That underwent Hell so you would not have to .....It’s all about “ YOU”and your ability to be a “ Good Widdle Boy”......Nobody can Worship Jesus and themselves at the same time . You Worship not Christ, but you Worship yourself and your pitiful performance of “ being good enough” to merit Heaven....
I “please God “ by knowing who “HE” is and who “ I” ain’t.....when it comes to my Salvation, I know who gets 100% of the Credit and I also know who gets exactly 0% of the Credit .....you will come to Know it someday....and it will be too late....Your Eternal Fate will be well- deserved....
All you Newbies out there! Wanna short - cut to “ Please God?” Sure you do ! Here’s how....Be prepared in your Heart to answer God in the following manner when you stand before Him and He ask’s you, “What did “YOU” ever do that I should let you into My Kingdom”......Try to remember this line from an Old Hymn That gets it Right....Try saying this—- “I DID NOTHING! ‘ Nothing of myself I bring, it’s ONLY to the Cross that I cling “ Try to remember that Line, all of you “ legalists” and “ Do -Goodists” out there that
think you can Merit Heaven with your pathetic “ morality” and Law Keeping......
Remember that you heard it here first, as you get carted off to Hell, immediately after hearing “I Never Knew You!”
Have a nice day!
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I pray the newbies take notice of all the scripture @Grailhunter posts.
OTOH you and @Behold provide none.
As usual. Because there is none to back up your strange doctrine.
I pray newbies read the NT.
I pray you learn to treat others with respect and love.
John 13:35
By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, that you love one another.
2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
the day of redemption] “the redemption of the purchased possession,” Eph_1:14,
redemption. Final deliverance; now we have the earnest. See Eph_1:14.
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There are Calvinists who are saved and sealed with the Spirit, a few, out of every denomination and creed.
J.
Yup, no humility, the majority have reached the unobtainable holy bar in THIS life, in the flesh, boasting about experiences that is not in line with what stands written in scriptures.
(1.) Is “any want of conformity unto or transgression of the law of God” (1Jn_3:4; Rom_4:15), in the inward state and habit of the soul, as well as in the outward conduct of the life, whether by omission or commission (Rom_6:12-17; 7:5-24).
It is “not a mere violation of the law of our constitution, nor of the system of things, but an offense against a personal lawgiver and moral governor who vindicates his law with penalties. The soul that sins is always conscious that his sin is (1.) intrinsically vile and polluting, and (2.) that it justly deserves punishment, and calls down the righteous wrath of God. Hence sin carries with it two inalienable characters, (1.) ill-desert, guilt (reatus); and (2.) pollution (macula).”, Hodge's Outlines.
The moral character of a man's actions is determined by the moral state of his heart. The disposition to sin, or the habit of the soul that leads to the sinful act, is itself also sin (Rom_6:12-17; Gal_5:17; Jas_1:14, Jas_1:15).
1Ki 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
“Original sin” is frequently and properly used to denote only the moral corruption of their whole nature inherited by all men from Adam. This inherited moral corruption consists in, (1.) the loss of original righteousness; and (2.) the presence of a constant proneness to evil, which is the root and origin of all actual sin. It is called “sin” (Rom_6:12, Rom_6:14, Rom_6:17; Rom_7:5-17), the “flesh” (Gal_5:17, Gal_5:24), “lust” (Jas_1:14, Jas_1:15), the “body of sin” (Rom_6:6), “ignorance,” “blindness of heart,” “alienation from the life of God” (Eph_4:18, Eph_4:19). It influences and depraves the whole man, and its tendency is still downward to deeper and deeper corruption, there remaining no recuperative element in the soul. It is a total depravity, and it is also universally inherited by all the natural descendants of Adam (Rom_3:10-23; Rom_5:12-21; Rom_8:7). Pelagians deny original sin, and regard man as by nature morally and spiritually well; semi-Pelagians regard him as morally sick; Augustinians, or, as they are also called, Calvinists, regard man as described above, spiritually dead (Eph_2:1; 1Jn_3:14).
The doctrine of original sin is proved, (1.) From the fact of the universal sinfulness of men. “There is no man that sinneth not” (1Ki_8:46; Isa_53:6; Psa_130:3; Rom_3:19, Rom_3:22, Rom_3:23; Gal_3:22). (2.) From the total depravity of man. All men are declared to be destitute of any principle of spiritual life; man's apostasy from God is total and complete (Job_15:14-16; Gen_6:5, Gen_6:6). (3.) From its early manifestation (Psa_58:3; Pro_22:15). (4.) It is proved also from the necessity, absolutely and universally, of regeneration (Joh_3:3; 2Co_5:17). (5.) From the universality of death (Rom_5:12-20).
Various kinds of sin are mentioned, (1.) “Presumptuous sins,” or as literally rendered, “sins with an uplifted hand”, i.e., defiant acts of sin, in contrast with “errors” or “inadvertencies” (Psa_19:13). (2.) “Secret”, i.e., hidden sins (Psa_19:12); sins which escape the notice of the soul. (3.) “Sin against the Holy Ghost” (q.v.), or a “sin unto death” (Mat_12:31, Mat_12:32; 1Jn_5:16), which amounts to a willful rejection of grace.
J.
Please explain to us what SEALED mans in the NT.
It means baptized....when we are baptized, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Unfortunately, the Holy Spirit only stays where He is wanted.
If a believer rejects God, for whatever reason, he is no longer under God's protection and has returned to a life of unbelief.
An unbeliever is NOT SAVED.
Is a person that comes to reject God willfully rejecting His grace?
Also, I'd like to see some verses that state we cannot ever forfeit our salvation...
in light of all the verses that state we can, which I'll be happy to state AGAIN.
And I'd like to know WHY we are EXHORTED in the NT to live Godly lives.
Also, maybe an explanation of Jesus' teachings in Matthew 24/24?
Where Jesus tells us we must DO some things....
There's more...
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