Justification By Works

[amigo de christo]

They judge others while they pump their chest and refuse to acknowledge their own sin.

They have yet to become like the tax collector. They are too busy looking down on tax collectors and calling them people who love their sin while pumping their chest praising God they are not like us.

Its true that some do this . Very true . Its also true that some truly do follow JESUS and are simply looking out for the brethren .
You would be amazed that some who truly do love are some of the biggest warners . SO are some that are false .
THOSE pick and choose their sins . I see some who rightfully will warn that homosexuality or abortion is sin
YET THEY LIVE IT UP in SIN and love that false kenneth copeland and nar led stuff .
As for me , I dont pick and choose what sin to warn against . I warn any one in any sin that calls themselves a christain
TO CEASE SAID SIN and DO IT ASAP . Paul was a bit more grave than me , HE even delivered some over to satan
for destruction of the flesh , HE even threatned a ROD was coming for those who had sinned and HAD NOT YET REPENTED .
The more we read the bible the less i would look like a monster to this generation . IF ONLY they would , they would see
i am only FOR THE PEOPLE for their GOOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

They judge others while they pump their chest and refuse to acknowledge their own sin.

They have yet to become like the tax collector. They are too busy looking down on tax collectors and calling them people who love their sin while pumping their chest praising God they are not like us.

I see that all the time . The conservative church is HUGE on protecting babies and dead set against abortion . WHICH IS GOOD
YET they themselves follow many other sins. I see the liberal side who might preach do some good and give to the poor
and YET they honor SIN themselves as well . ITS TIME TO RENOUCE ALL SIN . NOT PICK and choose what sin to expose
while giving other sins a pass . NOPE . AND since so few will do this , I SURELY WILL . PEROID .
Be encouraged . But no man , no woman , no threat will stop me from speaking truth . EVEN if folks dont want to hear said truth .
I DO it for them . ITS not like its saving me to warn . ITS FOR THEM . FOR THEM i do such a thing .
NOW FLEE ROME , FLEE NAR , FLEE PROSPERITY GOSPEL , FLEE pastors who talk all day about love and yet wont correct squat .
FLEE all appearance of EVIL and do all for the sake of others above even your own self . NO MAN can stop me peroid .
They can kill me , They can even drag my dead body through the streets , BUT THEY CANT SILENCE THE TRUTH .
GOD will always have those who will stand for truth . I am not alone there are others who do the same . GOD is with the lambs
and tis high time we stop being silent for the sake of some false unity and common ground and start speaking truth for the sake of the people .

 

[amigo de christo]

Most of the time, these "people" who deny God's Grace, in favor of water and works, do so because they are conformed into the image of their lying minister or denomination..or a set of commentaries that they use in place of their bible that taught them the deception that has them deceived.

A real believer, who has some idea of the Gospel of the Grace of God, understands a KEY.
This key is..

= Jesus Is Salvation.

So, if you have Jesus in you, you are certainly saved, as you can't have Christ in you, and not be born again.

Now the novice, the newbie, the deceived "theologian" that hangs out on Christian Forums trying to replace the Cross with their idea of "here is how i save myself".....and "here is how i keep myself saved", is literally not connected to the Holy One who is the only One who does that, and has accomplished it for all eternity for all the redeemed.

What blows my mind is MOST Folks somehow think JAMES and Paul were at odds in their docrine . That is a load of bull dung .
What james said did not contradict paul , and what paul taught did not contradict a word of what james taught .
AND TILL YA FIGURE That one out , Grave danger waits at the door .

 

[farouk]

What blows my mind is MOST Folks somehow think JAMES and Paul were at odds in their docrine . That is a load of bull dung .
What james said did not contradict paul , and what paul taught did not contradict a word of what james taught .
AND TILL YA FIGURE That one out , Grave danger waits at the door .

Faith with no evidence is not faith in any case......(as per James). Paul says in Ephesians 2.10 that 'we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them'.

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith with no evidence is not faith in any case......(as per James). Paul says in Ephesians 2.10 that 'we are His Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them'.

exactly MY FRIEND . THE PROOF of who we serve

 

[Jim B]

Faith with no evidence is not faith in any case......(as per James). Paul says in Ephesians 2.10 that 'we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them'.

What does this mean? "... created in Christ Jesus unto good works" and how does one "walk" in good works? It sounds like training for speed walking to a factory.

 

[farouk]

What does this mean? "... created in Christ Jesus unto good works" and how does one "walk" in good works? It sounds like training for speed walking to a factory.

Rather than arguing I would suggest reading all of chapter 2 of Ephesians for context.

 

[amigo de christo]

No overthinking is required.
What is required for a person to go to heaven, has been completed on the Cross.
This is why God on the Cross said...>"it is finished"., and He should know.

All other theologies, philosophies, and man made attempts to dodge, duck, and avoid the blood atonement, = by trying to replace it with self effort, will land you here.
John 3:36.

Here is the thing.....when God manifested in the Flesh told you that He is THE WAY to the Father....>He isn't kidding. John 14:6
And thousands who tried to get there with water, works, mary, church attendance, and trying to imitate Christ, died today, and found out that Jesus was not their savior.
They were, and that is why they went to Hell.

True . But if we are HIS we would be hearers and doers of all He did teach .
That is the proof of who we are . GOD changes us . HE changes us . Thus we would love TRUTH .
We would heed every warning to every promise . What we would not do is twist HIS sayings in order to fit mans teachings .
AND THIS many DO . That is WHY i worry so much for them .
EVEN when i tell folks YE must continue in HIM to the end , they call this a lack of faith . YET JESUS SAID IT TO HIS OWN DESCIPLES .
SO how come its a lack of faith IN JESUS when i say the same reminder TO THE CHURCH . That is the problem .
HYPER grace is making void all the warnings that would do good for us to both hear and do and take heed unto .
How come paul said let sin not once be named , YET TODAY all i hear , when i correct those in sin is , SHUT UP
and STOP JUDGING . What has become of the churches . Ever wonder why certain acronyms were never taught .
Paul never stood and told the church , NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO you cant LOSE salvation .
JESUS never said that to the apostels either . INSTEAD they said , CONTINUE IN HIM to the end .
SO HOW COME many no longer say such a thing .
I mean Are todays men wiser than paul or CHRIST . I TROW NOT .
TOday i hear OH WE sin thousands of times a day . YET PAUL said , WHO YE SERVE IS WHOSE YE ARE .
LET IT NOT ONCE BE NAMED . DO ya SEE the DIFFERENCE IN THAT APPRAOCH .
Too many are not being built up , nor do they behold both the severity of GOD nor His goodness .
INSTEAD they preach a false goodness of GOD that contradicts both JESUs and the apostels .
FAROUK is right . JAMES NOR PAUL contradicted each other .
James was warning the church that if ye dont have works , YOU aint really been saved , you dont really know Christ .
THINK about it . Cause I TOO once could lip JESUS yet i walked in sin and darkness .
I was LOST my friend . YET when the true grace of GOD did appear , IT LED ME TO THE TRUE VERSION OF JESUS , THE ONE IN THAT BIBLE
NOT the one man had created .

 

[mailmandan]

Most of the time, these "people" who deny God's Grace, in favor of water and works, do so because they are conformed into the image of their lying minister or denomination..or a set of commentaries that they use in place of their bible that taught them the deception that has them deceived.

A real believer, who has some idea of the Gospel of the Grace of God, understands a KEY.
This key is..

= Jesus Is Salvation.

So, if you have Jesus in you, you are certainly saved, as you can't have Christ in you, and not be born again.

Now the novice, the newbie, the deceived "theologian" that hangs out on Christian Forums trying to replace the Cross with their idea of "here is how i save myself".....and "here is how i keep myself saved", is literally not connected to the Holy One who is the only One who does that, and has accomplished it for all eternity for all the redeemed.

Amen and well said! ;)

 

[Jim B]

Rather than arguing I would suggest reading all of chapter 2 of Ephesians for context.

I have read Ephesians many times. What is your point?

 

[robert derrick]

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (apart from additions or modifications) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:1)

Therefore being justified by faith, (apart from additions or modifications), we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Mailmandan 5:1+)

People can believe what they want, and even write what they want for their own scripture to believe, but only the faith of the God of Scripture saves and justifies the soul.

No Scripture says any man is saved nor justified by faith only. Especially not apart from additions and modifications.

That is the scripture of another gospel than that of Jesus Christ.

God added to and modified His whole law and covenant at one time. He can also do so with is own word.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24)

Jesus I know. Paul adn James I know. But who is this Mailmandan??

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

God judges not only our works, but also our faith, whether it be His faith or our own.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Mailmandan writes and ministers for another gospel than that of Paul and James by Jesus Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Too many use liberty as a means to sin . WHEN IN TRUTH paul said ONLY USE NOT your LIBERTY as an occasion to serve THE FLESH .
Too many use the word freedom to mean FREE TO SIN , when in truth it means BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN
Being then made free YE BECAME THE SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS , not SIN , RIGHTEOUSNESS .
Too many use the word love and so on and so forth . But they use these words by the power of darkness .
Only satan would do such a thing . Ponder that .
WHO would tell the church , HAS GOD , HAS JESUS really said IF ye continue NOT in me ye are cast out .
NAY NAY it says , GOD IS LOVE , say a prayer and do as thou wilt .
WHo would tell the church , DID JESUS really tell them to GO and SIN NO MORE lest something even WORSE COME UPON YOU ,
NAY NAY it says , GOD IS LOVE , HE KNOWS WE CANT STOP SINNING . DO as thou wilt
Satan would .
WHO would convince the church there is no need to even have to believe in CHRIST to be saved .
DID JESUS really say that if one believes not in HIM they will be damned , nAY NAY it says
GOD IS LOVE , even those in other religoins are saved . SATAN WOULD .
WHO would convince the church and say , HEY DID JESUS REALLY say that YE must be DOERS of the WORD
and that if one is not a doer HE has NO FOUNDATION . NAY NAY says the serpent , THAT IS LEGALISM .
I can do this all night . TOO many people have learned another jesus , another gospel and it cant save them at all .
Did paul really write the church and GOD wont be mocked that he who sows the the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruptoin
but HE who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the SPIRIT reap LIFE everlasting .
NAY NAY it says , GOD IS LOVE , that is legalism .
DId paul really write the church and say
BEHOLD both the goodness and severity of GOD
severity towards those who did not beleive but goodness towards thee , IF YA CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS
otherwise ye too shall be CUT OFF . NAY nay it says , SAY A PRAYER and dO as thou wilt YE CANT FALL AWAY . YE cant be cast out
WE have serious problems in the church realm today my friend . Too many are following another jesus
And think they have the light , YET THE LIGHT that be in many IS DARKNESS and cometh of the dark one
who himself can appear as an angel of light , EVEN THOUGH HE BE OF DARKNESS . AND No marvel
if his ministirs can appear as though they are of us , when in truth OH NO THEY AINT . TOO many wont read
the bible FOR THEMSELVES and instead sit under men who TWIST IT to justify their own teachings .

Without deciphering everything wrote here, apparently it says we are justified by being doers of the word and not hearers only.

I have no argument with that.

And thousands who tried to get there with water, works, mary, church attendance, and trying to imitate Christ, died today, and found out that Jesus was not their savior. They were, and that is why they went to Hell.

I.e. hypocrites aren't saved: works without faith justifies no man.

Jesus who saved you keeps you saved", and this will cause them to become carnally upset and want to argue that THEY keep themselves saved. See that? That is Exactly, NO FAITH IN CHRIST.

I.e. we do not keep ourselves at all:

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If we refuse to keep ourselves from sinning against God, then neither will Jesus: the salvation and justification of Jesus Christ is with grace. It is not with spirit possession.

There is them with no faith in Jesus Christ, and there is them with faith in a false christ: them with faith in a false christ contrary to Scripture, are them with no faith in Jesus Christ according to Scripture.

And those who write their own scripture with their own faith, do so for their own christ.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Idolators idolize their own word of faith over the written word of God, and so will at times openly contradict Scripture to have their own faith and salvation, that is not justified with the true Christ, Jesus.

 

[amigo de christo]

Without deciphering everything wrote here, apparently it says we are justified by being doers of the word and not hearers only.

I have no argument with that.

And thousands who tried to get there with water, works, mary, church attendance, and trying to imitate Christ, died today, and found out that Jesus was not their savior. They were, and that is why they went to Hell.

I.e. hypocrites aren't saved: works without faith justifies no man.

Jesus who saved you keeps you saved", and this will cause them to become carnally upset and want to argue that THEY keep themselves saved. See that? That is Exactly, NO FAITH IN CHRIST.

I.e. we do not keep ourselves at all:

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If we refuse to keep ourselves from sinning against God, then neither will Jesus: the salvation and justification of Jesus Christ is with grace. It is not with spirit possession.

There is them with no faith in Jesus Christ, and there is them with faith in a false christ: them with faith in a false christ contrary to Scripture, are them with no faith in Jesus Christ according to Scripture.

And those who write their own scripture with their own faith, do so for their own christ.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Idolators idolize their own word of faith over the written word of God, and so will at times openly contradict Scripture to have their own faith and salvation, that is not justified with the true Christ, Jesus.

If you have read my posts you will see exactly what i have been saying all along .
That is THIS . Faith without works is dead , and all the works in the world without faith is just as dead .
TOO many forget that LOVE is tied into and embraces with all her heart OBEDIANCE .
THE LOVE THAT COMETH OF GOD , HAS US TO LOVE EVERY WORD HE SAID . Too many
think JESUS came to set us free from the wrong kind of bondage . TOO many have never and did never
know the true reason WHY the savoir was sent .
Abraham knew the truth . BY GOD HE KNEW IT . And let me sum it up so simple that a child
of three years of age could know and understand . GOD SAID .........ABRHAM DID . END OF DISCUSSION .
THIS is gonna agiate a lot of folks . BELIEVE ME when i say , I DONT LOOK to the LAW TO SAVE ME .
HOW COULD I . I SINNED MORE THAN MOST . BUT I DONT LOOK FOR A GRACE that has us to omit OBEDIANCE UNTO GOD EITHER .
THAT AINT MYGOD and it AINT MY JESUS EITHER . TOO many have walked into a false grace , false gospel and another false jesus .
Even you would cringe and run for the hills if you KNEW what man i once was . AND THE SCARY THING IS , I Could still
tell folks JESUS saves . NOW THAT IS SCARY and a MASSIVE DELUSION .
SEE i had heard the gospel when i was four years old . I STILL remember that day . My mother had sat us children down
and told us about heaven and hell and about Christ . I also heard it when i was eight in a church .
BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM . I had HEAD KNOWLEDGE only .
I STILL PRAISE GOD TO THIS DAY , FOR DRAWING ME TO THE TRUE CHRIST and not the christ created of men .
It was later in life . I was thirty four years of age . GUESS what BOOK HE PUT ME IN . KJV BIBLE
and what a love for TRUTH HE HAD PUT INTO MY HEART .
DO you realize i can still remember the very first prayer HE PUT into my heart . I prayed
to have a heart to PUT GOD FIRST , A heart that put HIM above all . HE HEARD . Not only that , BUT IT WAS HE
who had put that desire in MY HEART .
BIBLE TIME . AND I DONT CARE WHO this offends . Now allow me a short time to warn .
FLEE THE RCC , FLEE calvinism , flee nar , flee prosperity gospel and emgergent churches
FLEE JW , flee mormon , flee seven day adventist , FLEE the ALL inclusive untiy lie .
FLEE the jewish movement . FLEE many churches . AND OPEN BIBLE and LOVE EVERY WORD . THIS GENERATION IS IN DIRE TROUBLE .
WHO this offends it will offend. BUT I DONT SAY IT OUT OF HATE , I SAY ITOUT OF LOVE . Whatever this world
does to me , SO BE IT . BUT out of great love i will warn the peoples .