Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

[lforrest]

Ok so you agree that responsibility marks someone as mature. So then taking responsibility instead of shifting blame on some God or devil is being mature. To me the devil is not believing in oneself. And God is believing in yourself. The words God and devil are just metaphors, they are not some sort of entity somewhere outside. So yes, there is God...but not in the way most people think

It is uncommon to have responsibilities but not also have accountability. If you have kids and fail to care for them that is neglect, you can't pass the buck except it be totally out of your control. Like if your child comes down with an illness. The fact that they became Ill doesnt mean you are negligent. But if you fail to react to that illness as their caretaker you would be negligent.

 

[theefaith]

I believe in God because I believe in myself.

so you are God, uncreated and eternal!

 

[theefaith]

The source of your physical body is the natural conception of your parents!

what is the source of your supernatural soul or person?

 

[Animal2692]

so you are God, uncreated and eternal!

Well my experience is that I'm always been here and now and that's not a specific location in time. I just am. Where is here? How long is now? How many nows are there?

All I know is that I'm simply here. Everything else is a mystery. Life is now. Not tomorrow, not after death, but now. There's no time, time is a construct. Time doesn't even exist when I don't think about it.

 

[theefaith]

The Catholic denomination was not founded by Christ! His body of all believers is the church. Catholicism has divided the body of Christ and done unspeakable things in His name.

Requirements of the church founded by Christ!

One:
Holy:
Catholic / universal:
Apostolic succession:
The teacher of truth to all men without error:
Visible kingdom with visible unity:
Founded by God in Christ not by any man!

Not a collection of believers but a hierarchical church with jurisdictional authority!

believers are only catechumens not Christians!

faith alone avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16

 

[theefaith]

It's too bad that you don't believe your own post! Not once is the Catholic denomination mentioned! Only one error this time: "Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments". There is hope for you yet!

justification and sanctification come thru the sacraments instituted by Christ
Ez 36:25-37 acts 22:16

 

[Jim B]

The absence of believing anything cannot and will never be a belief in and of itself.



Yes, it's about being a rebel against all belief systems, dogmas, creeds. It's having the courage to stand on your own two feet and being your own authority. No God can judge me for I am my own God. My body was created but my self just is. I just am. No one created my -self-. I don't need some fairy tale explanation when life is simply in front of me and I am it.

I used to be an atheist like yourself but God showed me that He and His presence in my life was/is real.

Why are you on a Christian forum? Aren't there atheist forums you would feel more comfortable in? If you think your disbelief will convine anyone here you are mistaken.

 

[Animal2692]

I used to be an atheist like yourself but God showed me that He and His presence in my life was/is real.

Why are you on a Christian forum? Aren't there atheist forums you would feel more comfortable in? If you think your disbelief will convine anyone here you are mistaken.

I'm not atheist or Christian. I just am. There's no actual God anywhere, but there is godliness. So if God is anything, it's a quality. I don't need to put an angel on top of the ocean to see how beautiful it is. In fact what's truly beautiful is what's doing the seeing.

If I have to really call myself something, I'd call myself a Christian mystic which is beyond atheism and Christianity. It's union with the divine. Meister Eckhart comes to mind

"The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love."

 

[theefaith]

It's too bad that you don't believe your own post! Not once is the Catholic denomination mentioned! Only one error this time: "Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments". There is hope for you yet!

One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church

One: Jn 10:16

Holy: Eph 2:19:22

Catholic: Lk 1:10-11 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16

Apostolic: Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 Matt 28:19 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

 

[Jim B]

I'm not atheist or Christian. I just am. There's no actual God anywhere, but there is godliness. So if God is anything, it's a quality. I don't need to put an angel on top of the ocean to see how beautiful it is. In fact what's truly beautiful is what's doing the seeing.

If I have to really call myself something, I'd call myself a Christian mystic which is beyond atheism and Christianity. It's union with the divine. Meister Eckhart comes to mind

"The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love."

Writing that "there's no actual God anywhere" clearly shows that you're an atheist. "atheist": a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. It doesn't matter what you call yourself.

 

[prism]

where God’s word says to go!

to the holy church founded by Christ on Peter Matt 16:18and the apostles Matt 18:18 eph 2:20 to teach all nations Matt 28:19without error! Jn 16:13

I suppose I can derail this into a Catholic bashing thread, but I won't if you don't push Rome's propaganda.

 

[Animal2692]

Writing that "there's no actual God anywhere" clearly shows that you're an atheist. "atheist": a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. It doesn't matter what you call yourself.

I don't agree because athiests like to assert that there is no God which is another belief. Not only that but they also rule out any type of godliness or divinity in life. So no, I don't consider myself an aethiest or a Christian. I'm beyond both, I am. Labels are a million, none of them can exist without 'I am'.

I am Christian.
I am Muslim.
I am Buddhist.
I am atheist.
I am male.
I am female.
I am white.
I am black.
I am human.

What's common in all of those statements? Can you be any of those labels without I am?

 

[Davy]

The absence of believing anything cannot and will never be a belief in and of itself.

Yes, it's about being a rebel against all belief systems, dogmas, creeds. It's having the courage to stand on your own two feet and being your own authority. No God can judge me for I am my own God. My body was created but my self just is. I just am. No one created my -self-. I don't need some fairy tale explanation when life is simply in front of me and I am it.

Since what you said is actually what the Occult Secret Societies of Initiation believe, then does that maybe mean you have had their initiation called The Dark Night of The Soul?

For My Brethren in Christ Jesus:
That initiation by the occult secret societies called 'The Dark Night of The Soul' is about one becoming THEIR OWN GOD, going it ALONE, no needed help from anyone. Who was it that first proclaimed that idea according to God's Word? THE DEVIL HIMSELF, when that old serpent tempted Eve in God's Garden!

So, if you want proof that THOSE TYPES of devil worshipers really exist, then look above, there's your proof! And they don't think they are following Lucifer, but instead think they are being in total... control of their own life and destiny. Those will have to find out that ain't so sometime later.

 

[Jim B]

I don't agree because athiests like to assert that there is no God which is another belief. Not only that but they also rule out any type of godliness or divinity in life. So no, I don't consider myself an aethiest or a Christian. I'm beyond both, I am. Labels are a million, none of them can exist without 'I am'.

I am Christian.
I am Muslim.
I am Buddhist.
I am atheist.
I am male.
I am female.
I am white.
I am black.
I am human.

What's common in all of those statements? Can you be any of those labels without I am?

Can you spell "ego"?

 

[theefaith]

I suppose I can derail this into a Catholic bashing thread, but I won't if you don't push Rome's propaganda.

Christ has no propaganda

 

[Animal2692]

Can you spell "ego"?

Well the ego is a mental identity. Basically the person with all its likes and dislikes is the ego. The self however is pure consciousness or awareness which is prior to the ego.

 

[Animal2692]

And, of course "Someone's Opinion" of how things work doesn't mean SPIT.

Simply Put, If you've been Born Again, and indwelled by the holy Spirit, and CLEANSED OF YOUR SIN by faith in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross, you're good to go.



And YOUR opinion about how things work doesn't mean SPIT either. Have YOU been Cleansed of your SIN or not??



Unless there IS, of course, in which case YOUR SPIRITUAL CONDITION when you die is of paramount importance. Is that injectinf FEAR into the issue??? ABSOLUTELY!!!! SPending ETERNITY IN HELL should scare the bejeebers outta you. It did me - ANd it was a BIG PART of the reason I got Born Again (which you can ONLY DO WHEN GOD IS DRAWING YOU with conviction of SIN).

Salvation is a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God. It's not a "Theological thing".

Yeah, you fell for their scare tactics...that's how they get you. Hell is a scare tactic for the church to control the masses. Without controlling people, they have no power. And the only hell there is, is the one you make. Between heaven and hell, I would rather be in hell with all the fun people such as The Rock, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix. Heaven would get way too boring for me

Will heaven have heavy metal music or death metal music? Is it going to come with a body that I can go to the gym and lift weights for? Is it going to come with hot women on the beach? Probably not

Your religion also tells you that very few will make it to heaven. So that means that the majority of Christians are going to hell statistically speaking, since the path is so narrow to heaven.

I'm afraid I've got bad news for majority of Christians. Matthew 7:13 says here:
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.". So even if you think you're saved and going to heaven, your chances are akin to those of winning the lottery

Not to mention that other religions have their own hell too. So now you also gotta be careful about which religion you pick. But hey it gets even worse, they all think they're #1

 

[prism]

Christ has no propaganda

True, but sects and cults do.

 

[DuckieLady]

There's no actual God anywhere, but there is godliness

What forms the concept of godliness without God? If you don't know a good God, you don't know what godliness is, because the word is useless.

But if we were to look at what godliness is, or what we see godliness as; holiness, peace, love, joy, truth, soundness of mind, compassion, humility, grace, forgiveness, and so on, we have the character of Jesus Christ, and if we want those things in our life, seems to me like He is the right place to look.

 

[farouk]

What forms the concept of godliness without God? If you don't know a good God, you don't know what godliness is, because the word is useless.

But if we were to look at what godliness is, or what we see godliness as; holiness, peace, love, joy, truth, soundness of mind, compassion, humility, grace, forgiveness, and so on, we have the character of Jesus Christ, and if we want those things in our life, seems to me like He is the right place to look.

@LadyofFireandLace Hebrews 11.6 says that 'the world by wisdom knew not God'......