Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[BarneyFife]

Nothing wrong with being a charismatic.

Evidently, there's something inherently funny about it, though. Must be an inside 5-point reformed joke.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Nothing wrong with being a charismatic.

nothing right about it either. Let me guess, you think people running all over the church hooting and hollering, clanging their tambourines and speaking gibberish is just fine…

 

[BarneyFife]

nothing right about it either. Let me guess, you think people running all over the church hooting and hollering, clanging their tambourines and speaking gibberish is just fine…

I hear Jesus rolled His eyes and mocked people a lot. Yeah, that was definitely His method.

 

[BarneyFife]

nothing right about it either. Let me guess, you think people running all over the church hooting and hollering, clanging their tambourines and speaking gibberish is just fine…

Your real name wouldn't be Archie Bunker, would it?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sadly these debates become more about distain for people rather than destain for lies.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I hear Jesus rolled His eyes and mocked people a lot. Yeah, that was definitely His method.

Mocked….. you mean like how every reformed member on this forum is treated??

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Your real name wouldn't be Archie Bunker, would it?

it could be. But it could just as easily be walter white.

 

[PinSeeker]

"Unelect... Can't find that in my Bible."
Well, no, because "unelect" is not a word. :) But God's elect is surely a group of folks (a multitude, actually, that cannot be counted), and there is a number of folks that will not be members of God's elect at Jesus's return.

"(we) don't hold to -isms; We praise God that we am not under divine obligation to follow either Calvinism or Arminianism. It smacks of Corinthian carnality: 'For while one saith, I am of Calvin; and another, I am of Arminius; are ye not carnal?'”
For one to say he or she understands Scripture as Calvin did (and Augustine centuries before him), and for others to say I understand Scripture as Arminius did (and Pelagius centuries before him)... neither are to say "I am of" on or the other. But it is true that Christians basically follow after (understand Scripture similarly to) Augustine and Calvin or after (understand Scripture similarly to) Pelagius and Arminius. The reference to Paul's letter here is totally non sequitur.

"Maybe God isn't keen on being stuffed into a 5-point box?"
You know, that's an excellent point. One must wonder why Jacobus Arminius did that... :)

"Maybe the Bible is really all about something different, entirely. Like... Jesus?"
Sure. Nobody disagrees with that, no matter what side of the fence they fall on.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Renniks]

nothing right about it either. Let me guess, you think people running all over the church hooting and hollering, clanging their tambourines and speaking gibberish is just fine…

All but the gibberish is fine. Make a joyful noise unto the Lord!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

All but the gibberish is fine. Make a joyful noise unto the Lord!

Clearly you never been to an OPC service. :cool:

 

[BarneyFife]

Mocked….. you mean like how every reformed member on this forum is treated??

Do unto others before they do it into you, I guess, huh? I'd hand you some Kleenex if I could. "For what glory is it..."

it could be. But it could just as easily be walter white.

Never heard of 'im.

 

[BarneyFife]

God's elect is surely a group of folks (a multitude, actually, that cannot be counted), and there is a number of folks that will not be members of God's elect at Jesus's return.

That's a straw man that's good to know.

But it is true that Christians basically follow after (understand Scripture similarly to) Augustine and Calvin or after (understand Scripture similarly to) Pelagius and Arminius.

How can you speak for all Christians? Most Christians barely even study the Bible, much less read creeds and confessions and other mind-numbing theories.

The reference to Paul's letter here is totally non sequitur.

No, it really is not "totally" nonsequitur. Practically no one studies the Bible alone and arrives at 5-point theories. Christianity is full of Corinthian-like religious tribalism.

You know, that's an excellent point. One must wonder why Jacobus Arminius did that...

You know that's an excellent point... Unless they don't care. Maybe shame on Jacobus Arminius...

Sure. Nobody disagrees with that, no matter what side of the fence they fall on.

Again, you speak for all.

Grace and peace to you.

Backatcha, Buddy.

 

[amigo de christo]

There's a lot more to God than that.

 

[Brakelite]

No need to feel intimidated
J.

Perhaps intimidated is a little strong. Put it this way. I wouldn't stand up and debate a scientist on the subject of physics as he would use it in the context of evolutionary theory. Simply beyond my pay grade. So I don't debate on the subject of Calvinism or Arminianism. Even though I have misgivings with both... One certainly more than the other. I'm just out of my depth.

 

[Johann]

How can you speak for all Christians? Most Christians barely even study the Bible, much less read creeds and confessions and other mind-numbing theories

Another astute obsevation...

And it's one I can relate to.

Shalom Lambano.
J.

 

[Johann]

All of the fake Christians that believe that they can just autopilot their way into the Kingdom by possessing a shallow belief in Christ's existence are going to be extremely surprised to find themselves on the business end of God's wrath.

Great, how can you tell that a person is a Christian in real life?
And by that I don't mean virtual communication on a Christian forum.
A good tree bears forth good fruit, and yet a bad tree also bears fruit and the unregenerate knows how to show good fruit.
Who are we in our homes?
J.

 

[Johann]

One certainly more than the other. I'm just out of my depth.

All I'm interested in is that Christ Jesus be exalted on this forum...questians re the Shabbath, law, trinity etc..fosters strife.
We have nothing to boast about, not even in our intellectual prowesses...it is all about Jesus, His story and none of self.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

J.

 

[Johann]

so how long will your new doctrine last till you change your mind again??

There's a raging warfare going on brother and if possible, the elect can be decieved (yet they won't ) so yes, for a while I was deceived...this is not abour Calvinism or Arminiasm or creed and confessions but the crucified and resurrected Messiah and this is good news.
Jesus shed His blood for sinners such as us and like Paul, I can also say I was chief (Ra...bad, bad sinner) brother and I am not going to give you my testimony but suffice to say, Christ took hold of me and I have personally witness His saving grace and mercy in a sinner, such as myself.
You cannot escape the irresistable dunamis once God has drawn you, you must/dei yield and find that shalom that surpassess all human understanding for yourself...there are some running, not having a martureo..and there are some who have but don't run...
Real freedom, brother, is only to be found in Christ Jesus, our risen Saviour and not in creeds and confessions.
You may dismiss this but at your own demise friend.
J.

 

[Taken]

Run AWAY from Calvinism!
^ OP

I can not rightly say what “Calvinism” really means.
I do know what “the suffix ism means”...ie to follow.
And through the forum, I have seen the name:
John Calvin, supposedly a person, alive and having views in support of challenging Catholic Teaching, Catholic Doing, that was challenged to not be supported by Scripture.

I have no issue with challenging, testing, what appears to be questionable.

I have also heard, “Calvinism”, was expressly according to John Calvin’s, views, and his views Adopted by others....
AND “added to”, “changed in some forms”, but yet accredited to: John Calvin.

I have seen on this forum:
Pro “Calvinism”, support.
Anti “Calvinism”, disagreement.

What I have “NOT SEEN”... is ANY papers, essays, quotes, of John Calvin himself, stating his views, challenges, and
Thereafter, support or disagreement based on John Calvin’s own views.

Appears John Calvin is a phantom accredited with “whatever individuals have decided” Calvinism means.

I do not consider to “run away from” or “run to” what I do not know what “IT” is.

 

[Lambano]

To live eternally means to live eternally.

Since we're sweeping up the broken glass, mopping up the bloodstains, and getting the furniture set upright...

@stunnedbygrace, I still want to explore your understanding of salvation and living and righteousness and holiness. You don't think in the nice, neat Reformation and Pauline categories, and I learn more from those who don't just reinforce my confirmation biases. (When I'm open enough to actually listen.)

But let's table that for later. This thread took a lot out of me emotionally, and I'm going to stick with the fellowship threads for a while.