Why do Catholics…

[amadeus]

Yup, Jesus is the head of The Church. He chose 12 men to carry on his mission and teach the Truth! Those men then chose 12 men to carry on the mission and teach the truth. Those 12 men chose 12 to carry on the mission etc etc. When did that succession stop? Do you believe you are carrying on the mission to spread the Truth?

I am to follow God as He leads me doing what He directs me to do.

 

[amadeus]

He appointed and commanded Peter and the apostles

That does Not answer my questions. If I had lived as a man 2000 years ago, I might recognize Peter and the other apostles. Every time I have asked you to name even one apostle of God living as a man today, you have not answered me directly. If you do not know any, I have no problem with that. Why should you?

 

[theefaith]

Where is the quote mentioning a church you are responding to?

Christ founded the church to teach all men matt 16;18 Matt 28:19

What is this church?

 

[Marymog]

I am to follow God as He leads me doing what He directs me to do.

That is a true statement. A bit of a dodge on your part so I will try again.

Scripture makes it clear that God sent his son Jesus to tell us what to do. Jesus chose 12 men to carry on that mission and direct us into the Truth and what to do! Those men then chose 12 men to carry on the mission and direct us what to do. Those 12 men chose 12 to carry on the mission etc etc. When did that succession of men directing us what to do stop? Do you believe you are carrying on the mission the mission they directed OR are you on your own mission?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

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I have answered this question for you before. Who belongs to or is a part of the Body of Christ?

Nice dodge amadeus.....A question is not an answer. ;)

Scripture makes it clear that Jesus established a Church. Scripture makes it clear that The Church has authority and has elected leaders who do not teach a false doctrine.

What Church authority that has elected leaders do you recognize as The Church that Christ established?

And PLEASE don't have a copout answer and say that all Christians are "the church". We are members of The Church but we are not all the church......we are not all the pillar and foundation of truth and each individual Christian does not have the authority to fulfil Matthew 18:17...so don't go there.

 

[Marymog]

Sister, you don't understand and after our many discussions covering these things, I guess for the moment you are not going to...

I am praying for you as well.

Oh...I don't understand? Really? Nothing you wrote addresses my allegation that you and Taken have this feeling in your heart and this voice in your head that make you believe you are being guided by the Holy Spirit into the truth even though both of you disagree with each other.

So please do tell me. Do you feel like you are being guided by the Holy Spirit or not? Maybe a straight answer from you, which I never get, would help me to understand. Especially help me understand your false teaching that reading the bible = eating and drinking Him.

 

[Marymog]

Why bother, when you busy yourself speaking FOR others!

You have spoken (written) many words here. I have not spoken for you at all. I just repeat what you say, deflate it with logic and Scripture, and then you bloviate.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[amadeus]

That is a true statement. A bit of a dodge on your part so I will try again.

Scripture makes it clear that God sent his son Jesus to tell us what to do. Jesus chose 12 men to carry on that mission and direct us into the Truth and what to do! Those men then chose 12 men to carry on the mission and direct us what to do. Those 12 men chose 12 to carry on the mission etc etc. When did that succession of men directing us what to do stop? Do you believe you are carrying on the mission the mission they directed OR are you on your own mission?

Patient Mary

You believe those men were chosen by Jesus as do I. I do not, however, believe that the thread of God's Truth was carried by a physical church organization alone but rather by men filled with and directed by the Holy Spirit. They may overlap, but I do not believe that they coincide.

Any mission of God's for me comes from Him to me. At times He certainly has worked through men to direct me, but God is not limited to working that way.

 

[theefaith]

That does Not answer my questions. If I had lived as a man 2000 years ago, I might recognize Peter and the other apostles. Every time I have asked you to name even one apostle of God living as a man today, you have not answered me directly. If you do not know any, I have no problem with that. Why should you?

 

[Marymog]

You believe those men were chosen by Jesus as do I. I do not, however, believe that the thread of God's Truth was carried by a physical church organization alone but rather by men filled with and directed by the Holy Spirit. They may overlap, but I do not believe that they coincide.

Any mission of God's for me comes from Him to me. At times He certainly has worked through men to direct me, but God is not limited to working that way.

Thank you Amadeus.

I think I understand what you are saying but please correct me if I am wrong:

We agree that Jesus chose 12 men to continue to teach the Truth AFTER he left this earth.

We agree that those 12 men were filled with and were directed by the Holy Spirit into this Truth AND that they passed this Truth onto other men.

It seems were you and I part ways is that you do not believe this Truth was continued via an authoritative Church led by those same men. You believe that those men that the Truth was given to (students of the Apostles) did not stick together! They all went their separate ways and started their own churches in different countries and towns.

Do I have it right so far?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Taken]

Christ founded the church to teach all men matt 16;18 Matt 28:19

What is this church?

A House of God built upon Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[Taken]

You have spoken (written) many words here. I have not spoken for you at all. I just repeat what you say, deflate it with logic and Scripture, and then you bloviate.

Keeping it real....Mary

My words are sufficient for me.....you just CHANGING what I say for me, is YOU speaking FOR me....And your idea of “real”...

 

[Marymog]

I am to follow God as He leads me doing what He directs me to do.

Previously you stated that some "are following the wrong head and are wrong". You then admitted, "That would certainly include me".

So is it possible that this is one of those times that you are following the wrong head and you are wrong about The Church NOT continuing the succession of the Truth thru Apostolic Succession?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

My words are sufficient for me.....you just CHANGING what I say for me, is YOU speaking FOR me....And your idea of “real”...

Give the evidence (cut and paste) that I have changed what you said! If you can't (which I know you won't) then please stop blaming me for your confusion.

Keeping it real, real....Mary

 

[Taken]

Give the evidence (cut and paste) that I have changed what you said! If you can't (which I know you won't) then please stop blaming me for your confusion.

Keeping it real, real....Mary

Why? You posted, I responded and already highlighted and addressed you saying for me what I do not believe.
No, I will not thumb back for your convenience.

 

[Marymog]

Why? You posted, I responded and already highlighted and addressed you saying for me what I do not believe.
No, I will not thumb back for your convenience.

My prediction came true, I knew you wouldn't.;)

Thank you....I am always right.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Taken]

Why do Catholics…

Say Peter was the first Bishop in Rome?

 

[Taken]

My prediction came true, I knew you wouldn't.;)
Thank you....I am always right.
Keeping it real....Mary

@Marymog reality, she is always right.
Does that make you a Republican?

 

[amadeus]

Nice dodge amadeus.....A question is not an answer. ;)

Is it not? Have you decided that on your own and now presume that it applies to everyone else?

"And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?" Matt 21:23-25

Scripture makes it clear that Jesus established a Church. Scripture makes it clear that The Church has authority and has elected leaders who do not teach a false doctrine.

Any clarity regarding what is written in the scriptures, I believe, comes from God. I do not see the Church as what you see the Church, so we with different meanings in mind, we are in disagreement. Let God handle it. Is He not able or does He need our help?

What Church authority that has elected leaders do you recognize as The Church that Christ established?

And PLEASE don't have a copout answer and say that all Christians are "the church". We are members of The Church but we are not all the church......we are not all the pillar and foundation of truth and each individual Christian does not have the authority to fulfil Matthew 18:17...so don't go there.

You ask me a question and then you decide how I must answer it?
Is that how a testimony works?
Are you the hand or mind of God?
Have you overcome all obstacles between you and God?
Does the Holy Ghost work only through you?
Do you know all of the correct answers and must any of my answers be a lie?

You brought me into this discussion. If you had not mentioned me in a reply to @Taken probably I would not be here at all. Now do you want me to tell you what I believe to be the truth or to lie by saying I believe precisely as you do? You certainly do not want any open two-way discussion here...do you?

 

[amadeus]

What does that film have to do with the topic here?
Have a nice day.