Christians are not under the New Covenant

[Pearl]

the seamless garment was required under the law for the high priest

He also wore a special liturgical hat, the crown of thorns!

Unbelievable!

 

[face2face]

no not at all

the church is founded by Christ
Holy
Prepared by God spotless

cannot teach error

Jn 16:13
Matt 16:18-19
Rev 22:19 holy city
Rev 21:2 prepared by God

Prophecy of the new covenant church fulfilled in the apostolic union with Christ!

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.





Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1

One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Christ is the king!

Isa. 9:6-7 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy Mother Church!
The new covenant!

So you are saying Israel was never defiled.
Okay.

 

[face2face]

yes you right when it comes to equality

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you areall one in Christ Jesus.

but not in roles!

there is a hierarchical authority that produces order peace and unity

same in the family

all are equal members of the family but not in role
There is a hierarchical authority that produces order peace and unity
Father
Then mother
Then children

understanding really is a beautiful thing!

LOL, correct here is the order of Hierarchy still in operation today.

3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Nice little reminder our Lord has a Head - Yahweh his maker.

 

[face2face]

SHOULD not teach error!

Wisdom like this is subtle and keenly felt by those who exercise it. Theefaith swallowed a pill a long time ago and is still chocking on it...he needs the heimlich maneuver, spiritually speaking ;)

 

[Moriah's Song]

the heavenly Jerusalem refers to the new covenant church as mother

1- What verse did you use for that statement?
2- Are you referring to the Roman catholic church as the only true "new covenant church...as mother?"
3- What about the OT covenant remnant believers in Acts 2, are they a part of the "new covenant church?"

 

[Moriah's Song]

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

Explain please.

 

[theefaith]

SHOULD not teach error!

jn 16:13

mid the the church teaches error then Christ teaches error lk 10:16

 

[theefaith]

More you praise the Mona Lisa the more you are praising Leonardo de Vinci!

Do you really think he would be upset to see you paying so much attention to his masterpiece?

Mary is God’s masterpiece!

All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, and Christ who endowed Her “full of grace” Lk 1:28

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the Glory of Who created them, Lk 1:49 to Christ who redeemed them, and to the Holy Spirit who sanctified them with graces obtained by the merits of Christ! Source of Grace is Christ! Jn 1:16-17

Mary is the air we breathe!

Just a breathing is a sign of life, so devotion to Mary is a sign of life in Christ, and the spirit!

 

[theefaith]

Sounds like you would tie spaghetti to an achor and drop it in the ocean expecting it to hold a cruise ship!

If you reject the churches authentic interpretation and meaning then all I have is the text!

 

[Moriah's Song]

jn 16:13

mid the the church teaches error then Christ teaches error lk 10:16

Once again...the RCC SHOULD NOT TEACH ERROR!

Jhn 16:13...When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.​

But what does these two verses say?

Gen 3:1...Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?"

2Co 11:14...And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.​

Does not satan use scripture too?

Luk 10:16..."He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."​

The Roman Catholic church, because it elevates Mary to the same status, or even higher than Christ, it has in essence, rejected the message of the gospel and therefore has rejected Christ by putting their false "traditions" on the same level as God's holy Word in the Bible.

 

[Moriah's Song]

then all I have is the text!

And you consider that to be a bad thing???

If so WHY?

 

[theefaith]

I stick with this: "No earthly institution, whether it be the Roman Catholic Church, the Jehovah’s Witnesses Watchtower Society, or the so called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), can claim to be the authoritative guardian of truth or exclusive agency of God upon the earth to which all true believers must defer."

To explain what that meant was that the Roman Catholic church claims to be the only "holy mother church" and that all others are false. That is not true. The true church; the body of Christ; the invisible remnant is the universal invisible church.

I was referring to "theefaith's posts" below but still do not believe that we should all get together for a big group hug.

Example: I can go into my own church and disagree with my pastor on the trend of "ecumenicalism" because that is like dancing with the devil.

a body is physical
United by faith and baptism Mk 16:16

 

[Moriah's Song]

All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, and Christ who endowed Her “full of grace” Lk 1:28

Ok, so if I believe my mother is "full of grace" then should I be bowing down to her and praying to her like she was the mona lisa?

That kind of logic defies common sense.

 

[theefaith]

That's a classic example of how the RCC comes up with their "funny, illogical, wiggle-worm traditions" that can be turned into anything and everything they want to hold over there parishioners heads to keep them in fear of losing their salvation if they defied the "church."

The Ark of Salvation!

The church is founded by Christ and the sacraments are instituted by Christ for the salvation of all men!

The church and Jesus are one: acts 9:4 Jn 15:1-5 eph 5:32

The church and the sacraments are necessary for and the means of salvation and the life of grace!

Redemption: Eph 2
Justification: Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Acts 2:38
Sanctification: Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10 Jn 15:5
Salvation: Matt 24:13 Rom 13:11

The body of Christ:
1 Corinthians 12:27

The one true church:
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

The household of faith:
Gal 6:10

The house of God:
1 Tim 3:15

The church of the living God:
1 Tim 3:15

The kingdom of God on earth:
Dan 2:44 Matt 6:33 Matt 16:18 Matt 12:28 Mk 1:15 Jn 3:3-5 Acts 8:12 1 Cor 4:20 Col 4:11 1 Thes 2:12 Rev 1:9 12:10

The new and eternal covenant:
The one fold of Christ:

The new covenant body of Christ church is an ark, the ark of Peter, the ark of Noah was a type, all those outside the ark died, and all those outside the church die spiritually, there is no life outside of Noah’s ark and there is no spiritual life or salvation outside of the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles!

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)


Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Ez 36:25 I (God) shall sprinkle you with pure water, and you shall be white as snow!

 

[theefaith]

Unbelievable!

Jn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said to him: We have seen the Lord. But he said to them: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said: Peace be to you.

27 Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing.

 

[theefaith]

So you are saying Israel was never defiled.
Okay.

I’m not an expert on Israel or the OT

 

[Moriah's Song]

Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Infant baptism?

 

[Moriah's Song]

I’m not an expert on Israel or the OT

Based on your posts so far, you are not an expert on the NT either.

 

[keithr]

All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, and Christ who endowed Her “full of grace” Lk 1:28

Matthew 4:10 (WEB):

(10) Then Jesus said to him, “Get behind me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and you shall serve him only.’”​

which is quoting Deuteronomy 6 (WEB):

(13) You shall fear Yahweh your God; and you shall serve him, and shall swear by his name.
(14) You shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are around you;
(15) for Yahweh your God among you is a jealous God; lest the anger of Yahweh your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.​

Mary is the air we breathe!

That is utter nonsense!

 

[Illuminator]

That's a classic example of how the RCC comes up with their "funny, illogical, wiggle-worm traditions" that can be turned into anything and everything they want to hold over there parishioners heads to keep them in fear of losing their salvation if they defied the "church."

A fear mongering LIE. Your false notions of "tradition" has been debunked many times. You are just too proud to be corrected.
The Complex Relationship between Scripture and Tradition
ORAL APOSTOLIC TRADITION - Scripture Catholic
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: "Tradition" Is Not a Dirty Word
Catholic Tradition

Those links are for people who want the truth, and are tired of your anti-Catholic, empty, insulting rhetoric. You have no decency. You refuse to take an honest examination of "tradition" because you are afraid of the truth. Your straw man fallacies are fallacies, not the truth, and anyone who is willing to read can see through your fundie phoniness.