Christians are not under the New Covenant

[Truther]

I have power to lay it down and i have power to Raise it up again . This JESUS said .
Yes indeed GOD did raise up CHRIST . But we both know that GOD is His word . Now put those hands up and let the LORD
be praised .

Amen!

Did you know that God was in Christ, manifesting Himself to the world, while speaking and doing acts through him?

This fact is as ignored as Acts 2:38 in Christendom, and maybe more.

 

[amigo de christo]

John 10:18 (MKJV):

(18) No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I have received this commandment from My Father.​

Jesus had the authority, and the command, from God to lay down his life as a sacrifice for mankind.

Romans 10:9 (WEB):

(9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

And he had the power to raise it up again . Let us take heed to that as well .
John specified in that gospel that in the beginning was the Word and that the Word was with GOD and that GOD is His word .
The next time you hear pope francis and our sold out lets have unity churches , LET US REMEMBER THIS .
Verse nine in chapter ten . I want you to completely and totally memorize that verse .
cause we got a love god that AINT GOD , and it works through men , teaching folks that muslims and buddists
atheists and who knows what else , are saved by their good deeds and lovey lovey , WHAT A CROCK OF DUNG .
I TRULY HOPE YOU AGREE WITH THAT . NOTHING ELSE TRULY MATTERS . IF we dont even believe JESUS
and HIS OWN WORDS or the apostles and their words , WE DUPED FOLKS .
Keithr , I need to hear you denouce the lie that many do buy . Say aloud with upmost confidence
that IF one wants to be saved and not condemed to the lake of fire , THEY MUST CONFESS JESUS BY MOUTH
and believe from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead . ANY LOVE that says salvation can be found
outside of belief in CHRIST , is a hate and a lie from hell . CONFIRM THIS PLEASE . Till you do this message
will be put on repeat . AKA , till i hear you affirm this truth , every post i see of yours i am gonna continually
put this reminder on . SEE IT AS LOVE as not as nuisance . Respond please .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!

Did you know that God was in Christ, manifesting Himself to the world, while speaking and doing acts through him?

This fact is as ignored as Acts 2:38 in Christendom, and maybe more.

IF i say i follow JESUS and yet i am not a hearer and a doer , MY FAITH is as dead as it once was .
Truther . Time for a little revelation about myself .
DID you know that my earthly father was atheist and my earthly mother was a non practicing catholic .
Did you know that at one time i could say with my mouth that JESUS was LORD and that
one had to believe in HIM to be saved , AND YET the entire time i followed satan .
YES , its true , its true that i did and could say truth . FOR i told a few folks that they had to believe in Christ to be saved
WHICH IS TRUE , yet i walked in sin and loved my sin . WHICH MEANT i did not KNOW HIM .
TIME FOR THE BEAUTY OF TRUTH . DID you know that i was not raised in any church .
AND Yet while i had heard the gospel and had some head knowledge that i was not yet saved .
BUT the beauty of it all is that one day , in the year of our LORD two thousand and
six HE drew me to CHRIST . HE PUT ME INTO THE BIBLE , A STRONG NEW DESIRE was put into me .
A hunger for something i never truly had . CHRIST AND GOD , LOVE OF TRUTH .
DID GOD lead me to a church . NO . HE PUT ME INTO ONE BOOK . THE HOLY BIBLE .
OH and what hunger for the truth and love of it HE PUT IN ME .
A hunger for true fellowship . A YEARNING FOR TRUTH .
Take heed and pay close attention . NOTICE What kind of hunger GOD put into me .
I absolutely had a love for the truth in that bible , i had such a hunger to have fellowship with christains .
SO into the bible i went . I had total peace and love as i read that bible . SUCH a hunger for truth .
I cannot even put into words the desire for truth i had . GOD IS GOOD ISNT HE .
I would even turn on TBN to sermons so i could be fed . THE thing is , those sermons i heard could not fullfill me .
BUT THE BIBLE always did . SO for weeks i continued to read that bible day by day and also
to turn that TV on and look for sermons . The thing is THE BIBLE always fufllfilled me , but the sermons i heard
on TBN , NEVER COULD . no matter what preacher was on . ANY GUESSES on why that was .
I also began going into churches . SO HUNGRY , SO ALIVE , SO hopeful . Again the same thing
the sermons were empty , YET the bible i hungrily read always FULLFILLED ME .
ANY GUESSES WHY that was .
Now as time went on and as i , by GRACE kept reading that bible I FOUND OUT THE ANSWER TO THE WHY the chruches and TBN
left me so empty and the WHY the bible fullfiled me so .
THEY FALSE , BIBLE TRUE .
MANY of you all have learned doctrines of men and cannot let them go . SO MY DUTY and MY ENTIRE REASON FOR LIVING
is to point us back to BIBLE . BIBLE . and again i say BIBLE . CAUSE WHAT GOD DID FOR ME by HIS GRACE
BY that same grace will i point others too . OPEN BIBLE . LEARN FOR YOURSELF .
WHEN I say flee the nar preachers , most ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL preachers within christendom and FLEE the CC
IT aint cause i hate anyone . ITS cause ITS TRUE . WHEN GOD saved me , HE SAVED THE WORST .
I need you to understand that . WHEN GOD saved me and changed me , He saved one far worse than most .
AND I AM GONNA POINT FOLKS back to THAT BIBLE . Christendom has tanked my friend . TIME WE PICK up the bible and learn
again as small children . THE MORE I LOVE , the more i be hated . BUT due to the love of GOD
my desire is life for the people . SO i care not what happens to me in this world . I ONLY WANT SOULS SAVED j.

 

[amigo de christo]

...as a preterist?

Let that word never be spoken again by you . Learn thy bible .
Preterism false , bible true .

 

[Truther]

IF i say i follow JESUS and yet i am not a hearer and a doer , MY FAITH is as dead as it once was .
Truther . Time for a little revelation about myself .
DID you know that my earthly father was atheist and my earthly mother was a non practicing catholic .
Did you know that at one time i could say with my mouth that JESUS was LORD and that
one had to believe in HIM to be saved , AND YET the entire time i followed satan .
YES , its true , its true that i did and could say truth . FOR i told a few folks that they had to believe in Christ to be saved
WHICH IS TRUE , yet i walked in sin and loved my sin . WHICH MEANT i did not KNOW HIM .
TIME FOR THE BEAUTY OF TRUTH . DID you know that i was not raised in any church .
AND Yet while i had heard the gospel and had some head knowledge that i was not yet saved .
BUT the beauty of it all is that one day , in the year of our LORD two thousand and
six HE drew me to CHRIST . HE PUT ME INTO THE BIBLE , A STRONG NEW DESIRE was put into me .
A hunger for something i never truly had . CHRIST AND GOD , LOVE OF TRUTH .
DID GOD lead me to a church . NO . HE PUT ME INTO ONE BOOK . THE HOLY BIBLE .
OH and what hunger for the truth and love of it HE PUT IN ME .
A hunger for true fellowship . A YEARNING FOR TRUTH .
Take heed and pay close attention . NOTICE What kind of hunger GOD put into me .
I absolutely had a love for the truth in that bible , i had such a hunger to have fellowship with christains .
SO into the bible i went . I had total peace and love as i read that bible . SUCH a hunger for truth .
I cannot even put into words the desire for truth i had . GOD IS GOOD ISNT HE .
I would even turn on TBN to sermons so i could be fed . THE thing is , those sermons i heard could not fullfill me .
BUT THE BIBLE always did . SO for weeks i continued to read that bible day by day and also
to turn that TV on and look for sermons . The thing is THE BIBLE always fufllfilled me , but the sermons i heard
on TBN , NEVER COULD . no matter what preacher was on . ANY GUESSES on why that was .
I also began going into churches . SO HUNGRY , SO ALIVE , SO hopeful . Again the same thing
the sermons were empty , YET the bible i hungrily read always FULLFILLED ME .
ANY GUESSES WHY that was .
Now as time went on and as i , by GRACE kept reading that bible I FOUND OUT THE ANSWER TO THE WHY the chruches and TBN
left me so empty and the WHY the bible fullfiled me so .
THEY FALSE , BIBLE TRUE .
MANY of you all have learned doctrines of men and cannot let them go . SO MY DUTY and MY ENTIRE REASON FOR LIVING
is to point us back to BIBLE . BIBLE . and again i say BIBLE . CAUSE WHAT GOD DID FOR ME by HIS GRACE
BY that same grace will i point others too . OPEN BIBLE . LEARN FOR YOURSELF .
WHEN I say flee the nar preachers , most ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL preachers within christendom and FLEE the CC
IT aint cause i hate anyone . ITS cause ITS TRUE . WHEN GOD saved me , HE SAVED THE WORST .
I need you to understand that . WHEN GOD saved me and changed me , He saved one far worse than most .
AND I AM GONNA POINT FOLKS back to THAT BIBLE . Christendom has tanked my friend . TIME WE PICK up the bible and learn
again as small children . THE MORE I LOVE , the more i be hated . BUT due to the love of GOD
my desire is life for the people . SO i care not what happens to me in this world . I ONLY WANT SOULS SAVED j.

Awesome!

 

[Truther]

Let that word never be spoken again by you . Learn thy bible .
Preterism false , bible true .

Amen!!!

 

[Moriah's Song]

I am explaining the Bible, not Darby.

Not really! Your dispensational beliefs only mimic what you have been taught; beliefs that cannot be supported by scripture unless they are a distortion of the text.

Dispensationalim's roots began with Darby and brought to the USA. There is a trail of promoters of Darby's "idea" that has infiltrated most churches today; beginning with the Scofield Bible and Dallas Theological Seminary. The whole dispensational theory is heresy because it has features that deny Christs' sacrifice on the cross. The idea of a new temple is for those sacrifices to be reinstated and followers claim that Christ will return to that "man made" temple to do a re-do of what was already done in 33 AD.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!!!

Yeah i had a strong hunch you were dead set against preterism . Very good my friend . let us cling to Christ and stay well
planted in our bibles .

 

[keithr]

Keithr , I need to hear you denouce the lie that many do buy . Say aloud with upmost confidence
that IF one wants to be saved and not condemed to the lake of fire , THEY MUST CONFESS JESUS BY MOUTH
and believe from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead . ANY LOVE that says salvation can be found
outside of belief in CHRIST , is a hate and a lie from hell . CONFIRM THIS PLEASE .

Of course that's what I believe. In my last post I quoted Romans 10:9 (WEB):

(9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

I wouldn't have quoted that if I didn't believe it!

Acts 4 (WEB):

(10) be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole.
(12) There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!”​

 

[Truther]

Not really! Your dispensational beliefs only mimic what you have been taught; beliefs that cannot be supported by scripture unless they are a distortion of the text.

Dispensationalim's roots began with Darby and brought to the USA. There is a trail of promoters of Darby's "idea" that has infiltrated most churches today; beginning with the Scofield Bible and Dallas Theological Seminary. The whole dispensational theory is heresy because it has features that deny Christs' sacrifice on the cross. The idea of a new temple is for those sacrifices to be reinstated and followers claim that Christ will return to that "man made" temple to do a re-do of what was already done in 33 AD.

You are a preterist that teaches replacement theology.

You have attempted to repeal the promise to the fathers that the disciples asked Jesus about in Acts 1.

You would have asked this if you were there...


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time REPLACE ISRAEL WITH THE CHURCH?


Jesus would have interrupted you with this...

"Your ADD is kicking in again, you must mean"...6 ... Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

 

[Truther]

Yeah i had a strong hunch you were dead set against preterism . Very good my friend . let us cling to Christ and stay well
planted in our bibles .

Amen, preterism is the very core of the devil's doctrine.

This core doctrine is made to make God a liar to the OT fathers.

The reign of Christ in the 1000 year millennial over the nation of Israel is the devil's worst nightmare, because it represents his confinement and banishment from the earth in the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

The preterist reassures the devil that it will not happen as it says.

They are his defense attorney to mankind.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, preterism is the very core of the devil's doctrine.

This core doctrine is made to make God a liar to the OT fathers.

The reign of Christ in the 1000 year millennial over the nation of Israel is the devil's worst nightmare, because it represents his confinement and banishment from the earth in the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

The preterist reassures the devil that it will not happen as it says.

They are his defense attorney to mankind.

The very signs of the times are all around us and growing as the pains of a woman in travail .
And yet many cannot see them . We must dig into bible doctrine and continue onwards in the glorious Lord .
The fact is , in the book of revelation it specifically talks about those who would rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years .
Notice it says , they had been killed , beheaded . Thus this thousand years is something that occurs , STILL FUTURE .
Its quite clear if we would read revelation for ourselves .
Its true we might not fully understand it , but its quite clear its still future .
Many folks teach we are already in the thousand years . This cannot be possible .
cause if we read revelation , during the thousand years , The FP and Beast are already in the lake of fire
burning alive and number two , SATAN CANNOT decieve the nations at all . HE is bound during that time .
THUS my question is , IF the FP and BEAST are in a lake of fire , and satan is bound
WHO ON EARTH is doing all this massive decieving right now . PLUS the saints who have already died
been killed or etc , Are the ones ruling with Christ over a non decieved world . I AINT SEEN ANY of that YET .
Too many folks are not reading the simple bible for themselves . Rather they heed men
who dont understand things and have to seriously twist and omit doctrine to justify their teaching .
My advice . Let none heed them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course that's what I believe. In my last post I quoted Romans 10:9 (WEB):

(9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

I wouldn't have quoted that if I didn't believe it!

Acts 4 (WEB):

(10) be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole.
(12) There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!”​

Yes indeed . The lambs shall stand on the only gospel that can save one . Now let the glorious LORD be praised .

 

[Truther]

The very signs of the times are all around us and growing as the pains of a woman in travail .
And yet many cannot see them . We must dig into bible doctrine and continue onwards in the glorious Lord .
The fact is , in the book of revelation it specifically talks about those who would rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years .
Notice it says , they had been killed , beheaded . Thus this thousand years is something that occurs , STILL FUTURE .
Its quite clear if we would read revelation for ourselves .
Its true we might not fully understand it , but its quite clear its still future .
Many folks teach we are already in the thousand years . This cannot be possible .
cause if we read revelation , during the thousand years , The FP and Beast are already in the lake of fire
burning alive and number two , SATAN CANNOT decieve the nations at all . HE is bound during that time .
THUS my question is , IF the FP and BEAST are in a lake of fire , and satan is bound
WHO ON EARTH is doing all this massive decieving right now . PLUS the saints who have already died
been killed or etc , Are the ones ruling with Christ over a non decieved world . I AINT SEEN ANY of that YET .
Too many folks are not reading the simple bible for themselves . Rather they heed men
who dont understand things and have to seriously twist and omit doctrine to justify their teaching .
My advice . Let none heed them .

Amen, the preterists can run but they can't hide.

 

[Moriah's Song]

You are a preterist that teaches replacement theology.

You have attempted to repeal the promise to the fathers that the disciples asked Jesus about in Acts 1.

You would have asked this if you were there...


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time REPLACE ISRAEL WITH THE CHURCH?


Jesus would have interrupted you with this...

"Your ADD is kicking in again, you must mean"...6 ... Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

 

[Moriah's Song]

The book of Rev is showing Israel being hidden until the coming of Christ as depicted in Zech 14 etc.

Do you believe there will be a new temple built in Israel for sacrifices to be reinstated?

 

[Truther]

Do you believe there will be a new temple built in Israel for sacrifices to be reinstated?

No, the Lord will build His own temple as he returns to start the millennial per Ezekiel.

 

[theefaith]

Wrong!
Wrong!

Rev 12:17...Then the dragon(Satan) was angry with the woman(the church), and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

The "woman" is the TRUE CHURCH! (NOT THE CATHOLIC or PROTESTANT church; it's the church of true believers)

Rev 12:17 goes back to Genesis 3:15. The woman (Eve) there represents the "body of Christ's church that has been growing on that "tree of Life" in the Garden; growing with those who are made up of both Jews and Gentiles. See Rev 21:9-14 where the Jews (the 12 tribes of Israel) and (the twelve apostles) are the New Jerusalem's "walls and gates" which make up the OT "church in the wilderness" and the NT church foundation of the apostles.

Too many people miss this amazing view of the entirety of the Bible and instead focus on the beginning and the end and therfore miss out on the major event in the middle....the birth, death and resurrection that the OT and the NT keeps us tied together; not two separate groups of people as in Ephesians 2.

since when does Israel have children who keep the commandments or have the testimony of Jesus Christ?
Rev 12:17
they shouted crucify Him crucify Him

 

[Moriah's Song]

No, the Lord will build His own temple as he returns to start the millennial per Ezekiel.

Can you explain what you believe about Jesus "building his own temple" when he returns to start the (1,000 yr millennial I assume?)

1. Do you mean a literal temple in Jerusalem?
2. If so, how long is Jesus going to be on earth when he returns?
3. What will he be doing during that time?
4. What about the New Covenant that Jesus instituted 2,000 years ago?
5. Who will be going to that temple?
6. Why Ezekiel's temple? (Most theologians believe that Ezekiel's temple can't be built due to insufficient details.)

 

[Moriah's Song]

since when does Israel have children who keep the commandments or have the testimony of Jesus Christ?
Rev 12:17

Read it again...I explained it. It is the "church" of Acts 2 which is comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Israel was/is the "tree" that the Gentiles have been grafted into beginning in Genesis 3 with the "promised seed."

Israel is not "national Israel." Israel is the "remnant" that has been "God's people" starting with Adam and Eve.