Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

[Enoch111]

Find out the difference between the word WORSHIP and VENERATE.

Have you heard of skating on thin ice? Well that is what the worship of Mary is all about. And you must take into account the millions or simple ordinary Catholics who pray to Mary as though praying to God.

Now the Catholic apologists will spin a nice yarn about the difference between worship and venerate, but Catholic churches and cathedrals tell the real story.

 

[Taken]

I have no idea what spiritual knowledge is....

Hey C~
Consider...Spiritual Knowledge, what you hear or read that can be verified according to Scripture as the source of the knowledge.
All other knowledge, verified by it’s source...an encyclopedia, math book, science book, etc.

Consider....Spiritual Understanding, is what God Himself gives you, (spiritually, His spirit to your “born again” spirit), for His Understanding, of His Word (again the source finding of that word, is Scripture).

It is the POINT, that men can not TEACH you Gods understanding of his word.
Written scripture does not give us the Understanding....(it gives us the Knowledge).

Knowledge...just is. Written for us.
It is the “understanding”....that is not of private, individual interpretation...
But YET, IS what IS debated routinely.

For example, Catholics have a companion book to the Bible, catechism...it teaches...”catholic understanding” of Scripture, according to Catholic men.
They cite letters from historical men, as their “verification”.

However, Scripture itself says....UNDERSTANDING....(is not of private interpretation....and it matters NOT “how many” may agree with A private interpretation).......”it IS the Lord God Himself who gives the individual “His Understanding”.

That is ALSO WHY....Satan himself, who knows the Scriptures ... SHALL FAIL...he is NEVER privy/( given ) to the UNDERSTANDING, according to Gods Understanding....(and BTW...neither are MANY....and we recognize that immediately....when they cite their sources.)

It Becomes obvious....when one IS NOT “saved and born again”....IS ALSO NOT “given Gods Understanding”...

And BTW... notice, the demand for PROOF, ie to Have “understanding”....BEFORE trusting to believe the “knowledge.”
....THAT is TYPICAL of an atheist, a denier, a doubter.

 

[Taken]

Have you heard of skating on thin ice? Well that is what the worship of Mary is all about. And you must take into account the millions or simple ordinary Catholics who pray to Mary as though praying to God.

Now the Catholic apologists will spin a nice yarn about the difference between worship and venerate, but Catholic churches and cathedrals tell the real story.

That’s true. The Catholic defense, is well, the CHURCH does not teach worship TO MARY.....but then not all claiming to be catholic, follow church protocol. Not all regularly attend, repeatedly hear what is required.
And observing (seeing) without steeped in Official church protocol...IS SEEING, bowing, kissing, Laying trinkets, gesturing, calling out the NAME of that which they bow down to.......which IS Worshiping.

Never does Scripture teach to PRAY TO another Earthly Person.
The teaching is:
the bodily Living PRAY TO: the Lord God...
the bodily Living PRAYING FOR: the bodily Living.

 

[theefaith]

Nice to see you accepting the responsibility of being obssessed with idol worship even though it is forbidden in scripture!

I said with Mary not with idol worship

better check the 8th commandment dear

 

[theefaith]

Yeah, you got it ok! The vast majority of your examples are not properly applied as I see them. Your heumenutics need a massive overhaul. For example...

It's like you're saying...

"If Jesus can walk on water then so can Mary." or
"If Jesus can raise the dead then so can Mary."
"If Jesus prayed to the Father, then I can pray to Mary."
"If Jesus can heal the sick, so can Mary."
"If Jesus ascended into heaven, then so did Mary."​

...and on and on it goes!

You attribute to Mary what she cannot do,
what she did not do, and
what she did not say.

is she not all powerful?

 

[theefaith]

Those in hell are NOT DEAD BODY’s...they are Living souls.
DEAD body’s are buried in the ground, not hell!

Those in hell are NOT BODY’s communicating.
Those in hell are DEPARTED LIVING SOULS communicating with other Departed Living souls, in hell.

Those in heaven are DEPARTED LIVING SOULS communicating with other Departed Living souls, in heaven.

LIVING SOULS ON EARTH are IN their Living Body’s communicating, with other Living souls IN their Living Body’s.

LIVING souls IN a Living body, DO NOT Communicate with Living souls in hell.
LIVING souls IN a Living body, DO NOT Communicate with Living souls in heaven.



Luke 16:24 is about Departed Living souls (out of DEAD BODY’S), Communicating with other Living souls Departed (out of Dead Body’s.).

You were saying Living souls ON Earth, IN their Living Body ON Earth...
CAN COMMUNICATE with...Living souls IN HEAVEN, Departed out of their DEAD BODY’S....
No, they do not.
No, Luke 16:24 does not say they do.
Again, Scripture does not VERIFY your claim.

Lk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

 

[Moriah's Song]

I said with Mary not with idol worship

Same thing!

better check the 8th commandment dear

better check with the 8th commandment dear...

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1- “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 - “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 - “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 - “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 - “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 - “You shall not murder.
7 - “You shall not commit adultery.
8 - “You shall not steal.
9 - “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 - “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.” ​

 

[Moriah's Song]

is she not all powerful?

No, she is dead.

Even when she was alive, she had no more power to heal the sick or raise the dead than you or I have.

 

[Taken]

Lk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

And? So what is your point?
Already covered; Dead body’s are buried.
Departed Living souls communicate with Departed Livings souls.
You giving me Scriptural examples of Departed Living souls communicating (IN Hell)....simply Scripturally verifies what I said.

So what is YOUR point? You agree, You disagree, What?

 

[theefaith]

Same thing!
better check with the 8th commandment dear...

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1- “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 - “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 - “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 - “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 - “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 - “You shall not murder.
7 - “You shall not commit adultery.
8 - “You shall not steal.
9 - “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 - “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.” ​

that list of commandments is not in the Bible

to a fundamentalist Mary automatically means idolatry???

explain lk 1:28 and lk 1:49

 

[theefaith]

No, she is dead.

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

does that make Paul divine?
Mary is all powerful not cos she is God but cos her son is God!

only “one” (unique in history) person has a biological relationship with God!

 

[theefaith]

And? So what is your point?
Already covered; Dead body’s are buried.
Departed Living souls communicate with Departed Livings souls.
You giving me Scriptural examples of Departed Living souls communicating (IN Hell)....simply Scripturally verifies what I said.

So what is YOUR point? You agree, You disagree, What?

they and we can communicate with saints!

Lk 1:37

 

[Moriah's Song]

that list of commandments is not in the Bible

The Ten Commandments: Exodus 20:1-17

Douay-Rheims Bible (Catholic version)

1) And God spoke all these words:
2) I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3) Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
4) Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
5) Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:​

 

[Moriah's Song]

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

What are you implying here??? That verse was to show that at the end of the age, all who believe in Jesus will be raised; and that includes Mary!

You need to learn how to keep verses in context. You bend many verses to fit into your preconceived ideas about Mary and that turns them into heresetical false claims!

 

[Moriah's Song]

Lk 1:37

Luk 1:37...For with God nothing will be impossible."

Let me see you try moving a mountain just by your faith alone.

 

[Moriah's Song]

they and we can communicate with saints!

If you are conversing with non-humans, it ain't Mary you are hearing!

 

[Cassandra]

is she not all powerful?

God alone is omniscient, omnipresent, and All Powerful. Your statement is blasphemy.

 

[Taken]

they and we can communicate with saints!

Lk 1:37

Saints are ...the SAVED!

Already covered this...
* Heavenly saints communicate with Heavenly saints!
* Earthly saints communicate with Earthly saints!

* Heavenly saints DO NOT COMMUNICATE with Earthly saints.
* Earthly saints DO NOT COMMUNICATE with Heavenly saints.

Since you are LIVING and you think you can communicate with MARY...
Do tell us....what YOU say to her...AND....what SHE says to YOU...

 

[Moriah's Song]

to a fundamentalist Mary automatically means idolatry???

To a born-again Christian where the 5th commandment says..."Thou shalt not adore them," that means worship of a statue by kneeling down, praying to, kissing feet, or saying the rosaray to what is also forbidden in the 3rd commandment that says...

"3) Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,..."​

That does not makes us a "fundamentalist". It makes us obedient to God's commandments.

The KJV translates Strong's: H7812 in the following manner: worship (99x), bow (31x), bow down (18x), obeisance (9x), reverence (5x), fall down (3x), themselves (2x), stoop (1x), crouch (1x), miscellaneous (3x).

explain lk 1:28 and lk 1:49

χαριτόω charitóō, khar-ee-to'-o; from G5485; to grace, i.e. indue with special honor:—make accepted, be highly favoured.

Luk 1:28..."And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!"​

Strong's Number: g3106 Greek: makarizo...Happy, Happier: "to call blessed," Luk 1:48, is rendered "we count...happy" in Jam 5:11.

Luk 1:48-50...For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.​

We are all bestowed with many blessings from the Lord!

 

[Taken]

is she not all powerful?

Why don’t you answer your own question?