If my interpretation is correct, and Paul teaches Abraham was justified by faith alone, without works of Abraham, so no man can boast.
Then the "him that justifieth the ungodly" must be a different one, other than the Mighty One of Israel, the Father of Abraham and James, who will not justify the ungodly. And since the "justifier" in Paul is different than the Justifier of James, there is no contradiction, with the "works in general" interpretation, since the "justifier" in Paul does not require works, and "justifies" the ungodly, but the Justifier of James does require works and justifies only the righteous. Which is where my question comes from:
Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly" ?
Since I explained there is no contradiction, you have to present me with another argument as for why Im in error. I know Abraham had obedient faith, im not the one who compared Abraham to "him that worketh not":
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
So, you are not disagreeing with me, my friend, you are disagreeing with Paul, as the works of Abraham are works in general, and the law of Moses interpretation has already been discarded as absurd.
Believe it or not, Paul is actually teaching faith alone without any works, so no man can boast.
Hello, nice to chat with you,
Paul in fact never taught the modern 1600's doctrine of the re-formation of the catholic church.
As I have already showed,
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision; but
faith which worketh by love.
Paul taught faith without works profits not. That is Paul's real position on his teaching of the kind of faith that profits. Teaching Paul taught faith only, is putting words in Paul's mouth.
Justification:
From God Or From Man ?
When you answer this question you will know if this new interpretation of James chapter 2 is scripturally accurate.
James teaches on Abraham of being justified by his works.
This is a key issue you may have not considered or overlooked with your position.
James talks specifically about one act of obedience Abraham did that justified him.
Do you know which work in Abraham's life it was that James referred to?
Heres the answer,
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he
offered his son Isaac on the altar?
-22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works and works was faith made perfect?
James gave a specific act in Abraham's life, one act of obedience that Justified him.
The offering of his son Isaac.
Now, you teach James is teaching the evidence of true faith is other men will witness our true faith because they will observe our works.
Therefore you are saying James' justification or our faith put in to practice, justifies us before men, correct?
I don't want to misrepresent you. If this is not what you believe the justification James is teaching is. I apologize.
Ok, now back to my point about the old testament story of Abraham being justified by the obedient sacrifice of his son Isaac,
We must go back to tell the story, so we can observe the important details that will give us the evidence or lack of evidence to know if your interpretation is really what James is teaching.
Genesis 22:3
And Abraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and
took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
Ok, we have Abraham, Isaac, and two young men.
Now Abraham is going to go to sacrifice his son.
Genesis 22:3-5 ; 7-12
Then on the thrid day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off.
And Abraham
said unto his young men, Abide here with the donkey; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship and come again to you.
Note: Very important clue here. The two young men are told to stay here with the donkey. Abraham and his son leave them to go worship.
Now there are only two, Abraham and Isaac.
-7- And Isaac spake unto his father Abraham and said, My father : and he said, Here I am son.
And he said ,Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
-8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they both went together.
-9 And they came to the place which God told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
-10 And Abraham stretched forth His hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
-11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here I am I.
-12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for
now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from Me.
God later says in verse 16-17 that because he has done this work of obedience, God is going to bless Abraham greatly.
I encourage you strongly to read the entire chapter for yourself.
What did we learn?
We learned that the act that justified Abraham before God as James said in chapter 2:21.
Had only four witnesses,
God, His Angel's in heaven, Abraham and Isaac himself.
The two young men were not present to see the work Abraham performed that was commanded by God.
That leaves us with the most important question?
Who justified Abraham?
Could it have been men?
Could it have been angels?
Could it have been Isaac?
Could it have been God?
The only other "man" that observed Abraham's work was his son.
Heres why his son could not be the one who justified Abraham.
First, Isaac was completely clueless that His faither was performing an act of faith.
The fact alone excludes him from being the one who Justified his father.
For your interpretation to be Biblically accurate. Isaac would have must known that his father was acting out a direct commandment from God. Then he possible could have understood his fathers motives.
But this fails completely because Isaac was to young and ignorant of what was taking place.
What about the angels?
They are not men, therefore they must also be eliminated because your teaching is men justified men in James chapter 2.
That leaves us with only one possibility.
God. And this can only be the correct answer.
The absurdity would be Abraham himself. Which is obviously nonsense.
Now my last point on Justification.
Only God can justify men according to the scriptures,
Romans 5:9
Much more then, having been
justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He called; whom He called, these
He also justified; and whom He justified, these He glorified.
Romans 4:2-3
For if Abraham was
justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
James 2: Was not Abraham our father
justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
With this sound argument of rightly dividing the word of God, I hope we can be of the same mind and judgement.
What are the works that did not justify Abraham in Romans 4:2-3 ?
Answer: The works that Paul also teaches about in Ephesians 2:8-9. MERITORIOUS WORKS!
What are the works that did Justify Abraham in James chapter 2?
Answer: Works of righteousness ie obedience to Gods commands!
Psalm 119:127
My tongue shall speak of Your word, For
All Your commandments are righteousness.
Love you friend, hope you will accept sound doctrine to what saith the scriptures.