When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Oseas]

Not sure what point you were trying to make. It sounds like you feel we all need to go through the wrath of God.

I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

What I know is that GOD the Father will fulfill LITERALLY what JESUS asked to Him, don't yu believe? JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

What matters is the Word of GOD. What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

 

[Oseas]

THE WAR IS OF GOD ALMIGHTY-the Word is GOD- X Satan and his followers as follows:

The waters of Euphrates is drying up. Genesis 2:v.14 and Revelation 16:v.12. This event opens the way for three unclean spirits like frogs which go forth unto the rulers of the earth of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of this great Day of GOD Almighty - the LORD's Day. But why are these devilish spirits like frogs? And they come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet, as is written in Revelation 16. THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

The battle is now and JESUS WARNED: - Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[ewq1938]

And what does destroyed mean?

Let's not get off topic.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again , and receive you unto myself (rapture reference); that where I am, there ye may be also.

What does "receive you" mean in that verse?

 

[ewq1938]

As I said, they are synoptic. The point I was making was the interpretation of took/taken shows it is not positive, it is negative - destroyed.

No, it is not. You are confusing a completely different Greek word in a different passage. You are avoiding taken/paralambano and what it means. It doesn't mean to be destroyed.

 

[ewq1938]

They agree is what I'm telling you. Took and taken is not the rapture. That is wrong thinking and contradicts "destroyed."

Left is not being taken and thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed

On the day Christ returns,. He will take people and will not take others. Obviously the one taken is raptured and the one not taken is left to suffer the vials of wrath.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Let's not get off topic.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again , and receive you unto myself (rapture reference); that where I am, there ye may be also.

What does "receive you" mean in that verse?

This is AFTER the second coming of Jesus, not 7 years before.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

On the day Christ returns,. He will take people and will not take others. Obviously the one taken is raptured and the one not taken is left to suffer the vials of wrath.

You are brainwashed and that is why you cannot compare synoptic gospels for TRUTH. One says took. Another says of the same - destroyed. You really need to stick to the Bible and not fiction books.

 

[Oseas]

What I know is that GOD the Father will fulfill LITERALLY what JESUS asked to Him, don't you believe? JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

What matters is the Word of GOD. What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

P.S. there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father (GOD the Father), the Word (the Word made flesh-JESUS), and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.

 

[dad]

I have swampland in Florida for $20 million an acre, to add to that 70th week being 1900+ years and waiting

Maybe if a shed fell down or something you could call that the messiah being cut off also?

 

[dad]

I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Yes. You like to colour and bold and shout and think your twistings of the bible amount to something real special.

at I know is that GOD the Father will fulfill LITERALLY what JESUS asked to Him, don't yu believe? JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

He also prayed that where He is, that we may be also! Guess where He is now?

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

What matters is the Word of GOD. What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Yes you also like to parrot. Real sane presentation here.

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

That probably has some meaning for you. Don't feel a need to share.

 

[ScottA]

The word "Soon" isnt seen in the context of scripture below as you claim, it's a "Future" generation as scripture clearly teaches

The complete chapter of Matthew 24 is dedicated to the signs that will precede the Lords return in the clouds of heaven as seen in Matthew 24:29-31

"This Generation" is referring to a ",Future" generation, that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and the Lords return "Future" unfulfilled

1.) What is near, even at the doors, "The Lords Return"

2.) What is the the day and hour no man knows, "The Lords Return"

Matthew 24:33-
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

No, again you say "future" Jesus said "this generation." Now I am having to repeat myself--but not for long. You seem to want to wait with the dead.

As for the context, Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God many times--if you cannot put the pieces all together, you are only blinding yourself, just as others have. That may be all you get. As for me, He has given me more and I will be faithful to it (Him).

 

[ScottA]

Nobody has denied that Jesus Christ suffered the cross of Calvary

However this suffering isnt associated to Matthew 24:21 whatsoever, as the Abomination of Desolation causes the great tribulation, Yes you disregad this and its association to humans on earth being instructed to flee Jerusalem/Judea

Erased in symbolic allegory of the Lords death being fulfillment of the great tribulation seen below, really

Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This (hypocritically) is you breaking context. "Judea" is regarding Israel. You are mixing instead of rightly dividing Israel and the church.

How will you ever see clearly, if you won't see things rightly divided? (rhetorical)

 

[ScottA]

Scott are you 7th Day Adventist, curious?

No.

 

[ScottA]

So you accept that the last seven years of Daniel must come in the future?

No.

 

[ScottA]

Yet it is given in days and weeks also.

These things...and the correct context...are of God, whom is the same yesterday, today, and forever. "Times" are times, only for explanation, for revelation--the terms are relative to our need to hear line upon line, precept upon precept as all truth unfolds in revelation. The truth includes no such terms or times--that was for us, here a little, there a little--otherwise the terms are not different, but the same: a time, times, and half a time...which is for us divided. But God is not divided, and in the end there is no such division of terms.

Renew your mind.

 

[ScottA]

I Strongly Disagree, your claim the death of Jesus Christ on Calvary, is fulfillment of the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 isnt found in the scripture, irs nothing more than removal of the literal seen through symbolic allegory, and replacing it with something not seen

Jesus Is The Lord

Your disagreement is your opinion. But we are not having a discussion of opinion.

As for the scriptures--Israel never pieced things together either, now you also do not and make all the same mistakes. Nonetheless, everything is in the scriptures, you just can't see it because of your own preconceived notions, even though I have given you the scriptures and explained them. This Jesus did also--do you not see the pattern of men's rejections in yourself? Apparently not.

 

[MatthewG]

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

This verse says when we start or begin to see these things, that is when we look up for our redemption. That does seem to mean the Rapture, because if the 'things' just started there is a lot of things yet to happen! Yet our redemption is at the doors here.
Today we do see these things start to happen. The nations that will attack Israel are in line, the worldwide credit system of the mark is beginning to be set up. Earthquakes, pestilences, the waves of people all over the world roaring, fear etc. But even if there are some who deny we are starting to see these things, the fact remains that it is when we begin to see them that OUR redemption draws very near.

Hello Dad,

I believe all these things happened with in a generation of which Jesus had stood in 30 ad, and in to 40 or 38 years, Jerusalem would end up being destroyed and all the material worshiping that they performed would be obliterated. In which ushered in the new Heavens and the new earth - in which God can be fully and freely be worshiped at anywhere, compared to before it was only materially in Jerusalem.

God brought in a new covenant in which the old one was waxing away and decaying, the Destruction of the Jewish way of life according to their worldly standards set forth by God in use of the law was going to be destroyed.

Where ministry of reconciliation and ministry of the spirit can be had in and through Jesus who brought these things into fruition of the fulfilment of all the promises set forth, such as the defeat of Satan and his demons, sin, the grave, hell and separation from God.

All are called to come learn about the Son if they do desire, be encouraged to look and seek out for truth.

In love,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[ScottA]

Thanks for the response, as it stands you deny the events seen below are future, as per my observation and opinion, we have removed the word "literal" for simplification

Is that seen below "Future", a novel sized response isnt needed

1.) Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

2.) 1 Corinthians 15:51-53KJV
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

3.) Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I have answered these already.

You saying "future" is the thinking of men, of the flesh. Those things refer to matters of God, in whom there is no "future." He has broken His true existence down in a way that children can understand--for a time, which is "the same yesterday, today, and forever." But speaking most accurately, He simply explained His existence as "I am." That is also the nature of my answers to you: I am speaking plainly, not to children.

You are out of context. If you were in context--you would hear and understand.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Matthew 24:14 is the final key to when Jesus will return.
We are in the "beginning of sorrows" and there will be much more to come. Certainly when we see billions of people dying, we will know that we have gone through the first four seals and we are in the Great Tribulation - if we aren't already. A worldwide earthquake would get everyone's attention when the 6th Seal is opened!
When we see 1/3 of the planet on fire (likely the Middle East), then we will know that the trumpets are sounding. When we see demon locusts torturing people, and the smoke blocking the sun and moon from giving light, volcanic eruptions and possible asteroid strikes, we will know that we are certainly in the middle of sorrows and moving closer to the end of sorrows.

The World has seen an exponential growth of Christianity since 1900 at 500 million and now 2.65 billion. Every nation has been preached to. We are just about there, but great tribulation will either cause people to fall away from faith or seek God more seriously.
Calling out to Buddha or Mohammed or Brahma will amount to nothing. Calling out to Jesus will be their only hope.

[Billy Graham’s Decision magazine, November, 2011:
…At meetings in Orlando, Fla., organized by the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College, it was announced that the world could be only 10 or 15 years away from seeing the Great Commission fulfilled. In other words, it is possible that every people group on Earth will have had the Gospel preached to them and some portion of Scripture translated into their language.]

 

[Cassandra]

But why are these devilish spirits like frogs?

How do frogs catch their prey? And this is coming out of false prophets too. Be careful.