When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[ScottA]

Scott it's your "opinion", and this same "opinion" believes and teaches that the Lords death fulfilled the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 thats error

You give complete disregard to the context of scripture clearly showing Daniel's Abomination is causing great tribulation upon mortal humans on earth, as if the scripture is non-existent and your claims represent truth

The death of Jesus Christ isnt seen or referenced in Matthew chapter 24, but you have added this concept into the text that's not seen, "Why"?

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

I have disregarded nothing, but have explained it plainly with scripture.

But you see it as it was given to those who slumber until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled, and as they taught it. Should we never awaken--never receive all truth in due season? How long will you defend the wicked--another thousand years?

As for Matthew 24, I have added nothing, but told you the godly meaning of "great"...and given the glory to Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is not what I believe, but what I know. But again: The words are true, but your premise is off, therefore also your translation. But I will tell it how it truly is:

1. "Future" is an assumption made my those who Christ had not come to "a second time" Hebrews 9:28. Paul does not say "future", but "each in his own order." But he also assures that those whom had not seen Christ come "a second time", did not miss it--again, because it does not work that way, but rather He comes to "each in his own order." Likewise, "literal" is also assumed, the thinking of men ruled by the flesh rather than the Spirit. Men like to think that this world is literal--but it is not, but merely created. God is literal. So, when you ask about the coming of Jesus being "literal"...my answer is Yes--but not in the way you assume--not at all...and "not with observation" Luke 17:20. As for "coming in the clouds of heaven", you again assume the clouds of this world. "Literal" indeed!
2. By "a future "Literal" immortal glorified body"...this is not from God, but the teachings of men who do not know what they are talking about. No, the flesh is not "glorified"--God whom is spirit, is glorified, as was Jesus when He went to the Father. But many confuse Jesus' bodily resurrection from death in His body, with His ascension into heaven. They are two different events, and two different foreshadowings. His bodily resurrection in the flesh was not His ascension to the Father--which He said, "I have not yet ascended to My Father" John 20:17. Which was only to show that He had conquered death, and was not the "like manner" in which He would come again. But rather, His ascension was going to the Father, which flesh and blood "cannot inherit", and therefore must be in spirit, as God is spirit--this is the fullness of the glory of God. Thus, the "like manner" in which He returns, is in the glory of the Father...and "not with observation" as the world sees. But, go ahead, search the scriptures for a "glorified body"--it's not there.
3. Again, your definition of "literal" is as far off as this world is from heaven. So, Yes, but only according to the [actual] literal reality of God. But, No, to what you likely imagine. That worldly definition bound to the worldly elements is not at all accurate, for "the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat" 2 Peter 3:12.

Thanks for the response, as it stands you deny the events seen below are future, as per my observation and opinion, we have removed the word "literal" for simplification

Is that seen below "Future", a novel sized response isnt needed

1.) Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

2.) 1 Corinthians 15:51-53KJV
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

3.) Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have disregarded nothing, but have explained it plainly with scripture.

But you see it as it was given to those who slumber until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled, and as they taught it. Should we never awaken--never receive all truth in due season? How long will you defend the wicked--another thousand years?

As for Matthew 24, I have added nothing, but told you the godly meaning of "great"...and given the glory to Christ.

Scott I will ask again, are you 7th Day Adventist, curious?

 

[dad]

No such thing as Daniel's 7 years, where?

Dan 9

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

So everlasting righteousness was brought in thousands of years ago. Interesting./ I must have missed that.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

We could get into the Hebrew meaning of the word (sevens) or etc. But one thing we can notice is that Jesus was not killed hundreds of days from Daniel's time either.

It was Gabriel, by the way, not Daniel that gave the 70 groups of seven. He had come from the throne of God to do so.

 

[Truth7t7]

Dan 9


So everlasting righteousness was brought in thousands of years ago. Interesting./ I must have missed that.

We could get into the Hebrew meaning of the word (sevens) or etc. But one thing we can notice is that Jesus was not killed hundreds of days from Daniel's time either.

It was Gabriel, by the way, not Daniel that gave the 70 groups of seven. He had come from the throne of God to do so.

My belief in the 70 weeks

My research finds The standard teaching today on "Weeks/Years" is the brain child of Kabbalahist, Rosicrucian, Occultist (Sir Isaac Newton), Chapter 10 (Observation on the Prophecy of Daniel and the apocalypse of St. John) 1726, and carried forward mainly through Darby and Dispensationalism

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[dad]

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

Build unto the messiah? What does that mean?

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

That makes no sense. No one is going to be killing Jesus again, He was cut off only once.

Daniel 9:27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins,

The transgression and ending sins is not happening in the Tribulation, to say the least.

and to make reconciliation for iniquity

Jesus did that and was cut off after.

, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The prophesy will not be sealed in the Tribulation. The world has not been under everlasting righteousness either and will not be in the Tribulation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Build unto the messiah? What does that mean?
That makes no sense. No one is going to be killing Jesus again, He was cut off only once.

The transgression and ending sins is not happening in the Tribulation, to say the least.
Jesus did that and was cut off after.
The prophesy will not be sealed in the Tribulation. The world has not been under everlasting righteousness either and will not be in the Tribulation.

At the 70th week the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11 are revealed,given 1260 days, the same parallel time given to the beast in 42 months

The two witnesses will "Bring In" everlasting righteousness, as they are the golden pipes where the golden oil of Gods plagues in "vials" flow from, standing before the beast as Moses/Aaron stood before Pharaoh of Egypt

The bring in, and the return of Jesus seals the prophecy everlasting righteousness

My take, you may disagree, and it's a fact in my opinion Isaac Newtons teaching (weeks/years) is a farce, as Daniel world have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) and he didnt

 

[dad]

At the 70th week the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11 are revealed,given 1260 days, the same parallel time given to the beast in 42 months

The two witnesses will "Bring In" everlasting righteousness, as they are the golden pipes where the golden oil of Gods plagues in "vials" flow from, standing before the beast as Moses/Aaron stood before Pharaoh of Egypt

Jesus brings in righteousness. Th witnesses were not mentioned in Dan 9.

The bring in, and the return of Jesus seals the prophecy everlasting righteousness

Jesus brings Himself in. I kid you not.

My take, you may disagree, and it's a fact in my opinion Isaac Newtons teaching (weeks/years) is a farce, as Daniel world have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) and he didnt

Gabriel gave the times. Not Daniel.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus brings in righteousness. Th witnesses were not mentioned in Dan 9.
Jesus brings Himself in. I kid you not.


Gabriel gave the times. Not Daniel.

I shared my belief, Newtons week/year teaching is a farce, if you can remove this from your computer, it's my opinion one can begin to understand

Daniel's 70 weeks/years with a floating 70th week in 2 Millenniums and counting "smiles", a pre-trib rapture, Millennial Kingdom on this earth, are all fabricated fairy tales of man

It's my opinion the next solid sign to be seen is the command to build in Jerusalem, starting the time clock on the future 70 literal weeks, my opinion and observation of scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[dad]

It's my opinion the next solid sign to be seen is the command to build in Jerusalem, starting the time clock on the future 70 literal weeks, my opinion and observation of scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 9:25
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,' and sixty-two ‘sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Daniel 9:26
After the sixty-two ‘sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing

This is talking about Jesus being killed. That did not happen in Daniels' day and will not happen in the Tribulation obviously. Nor was it hundreds of days from Daniel till when He came and got killed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel 9:25
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,' and sixty-two ‘sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Daniel 9:26
After the sixty-two ‘sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing

This is talking about Jesus being killed. That did not happen in Daniels' day and will not happen in the Tribulation obviously. Nor was it hundreds of days from Daniel till when He came and got killed.

The Jews are going to have Messiah fever and build and restore Jerusalem to their awaited upon Messish as prophesied in the Old Testament, capital "M" because Jesus is this Messiah they rejected, and nothing in my KJV text claims any anointed ruler is coming

"Messiah is cut off" when the building stops, not put to death as you translation claims, whatever it is?

Looks like your translation is preparing the way for the bad guy the Antichrist, "Anointed One, the ruler, comes

Not unexpected, the new versions remove "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 in my KJV and replace it with "Morning Star" as Jesus is the morning star seen in Revelation 22:16

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That only means you misunderstand. You nor I can use one scripture to contradict the other--they must agree, and that is what I have told you.

They agree is what I'm telling you. Took and taken is not the rapture. That is wrong thinking and contradicts "destroyed."

Left is not being taken and thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed

 

[dad]

The Jews are going to have Messiah fever and build and restore Jerusalem to their awaited upon Messish as prophesied in the Old Testament, capital "M" because Jesus is this Messiah they rejected, and nothing in my KJV text claims any anointed ruler is coming

"Messiah is cut off" when the building stops, not put to death as you translation claims, whatever it is?

Jesus won't be cut off again. Ever. Look up cut off in the bible and see that it not a term for construction.

Looks like your translation is preparing the way for the bad guy the Antichrist, "Anointed One, the ruler, comes

Maybe have a look at Isa 53:8
By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
He was not cut off when some construction stopped.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus won't be cut off again. Ever. Look up cut off in the bible and see that it not a term for construction.


Maybe have a look at Isa 53:8
By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
He was not cut off when some construction stopped.

We disagree, "Messiah Cut Off" is in direct association with the context given, armies surround Jerusalem, They were building to Messiah, and this building was "Cut Off" by armies that stops the building, it's that simple

It has nothing to do with a historical account, as Isaac Newton puts forth, its future unfulfilled

For Newton teaching to work, you need to put a floating 70th week of Millennia in there, now that's a true boondoggle to apply in any belief, worse than a floating prediction on the second coming, smiles!

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[dad]

We disagree, "Messiah Cut Off" is in direct association with the context given, armies surround Jerusalem, They were building to Messiah, and this building was "Cut Off" by armies that stops the building, it's that simple

A building in your scenario gets cut off.

It has nothing to do with a historical account, as Isaac Newton puts forth, its future unfulfilled

The bringing in everlasting righteousness was future. So was Jesus getting killed but not for Himself (but for us). Newton has nothing to do with it.

For Newton teaching to work, you need to put a floating 70th week of Millennia in there

Floating? Certain different things are prophesied by Gabriel. The total number of years (groups of seven years) is 70. Jesus is killed for us in a certain time. Etc. Do you really think Gabriel came from the throne of God to announce construction delays?

 

[Truth7t7]

A building in your scenario gets cut off.
The bringing in everlasting righteousness was future. So was Jesus getting killed but not for Himself (but for us). Newton has nothing to do with it.
Floating? Certain different things are prophesied by Gabriel. The total number of years (groups of seven years) is 70. Jesus is killed for us in a certain time. Etc. Do you really think Gabriel came from the throne of God to announce construction delays?

The standard teaching is the 69th week ends at the cross of Calvary, and the 70th week has been floating ever since, if anyone believes that Malarky, I have swampland in Louisana for sale at $10 million an acre

 

[Oseas]

I think that it will be obvious the Rapture happened, so no believer will be able to lose heart. And when did their redemption happen? When they saw the things start to happen. Not after. Not when it was all done or half done.

TO ALL

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now?

Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes, this is no coincidence, it was predicted millennia ago. He's a false messiah who will soon manifest, just ahead, with great signs of lying, he will manifest in Israel as a lamb with two horns, he's a Jew, of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.v.3 to 17 and Revelation 13:v. 11 to 18.

Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

Remembering and understanding that the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt was not, without first having taken place a battle against Pharaoh (by the way, there and now is Satan himself), and when the march began for the departure of God's people from Egypt, then the enemy army persecuted the Hebrews, the same will happen now, initially the persecution will be by the man Beast of the sea, it is he who will first persecute the Christian believers - Revelation 13:v.5 - for 42 months, that is the first half of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27. This POINT is only and only the half of the way -3,5 years or 42 months, the GOD's people will need to march more 3,5 years, so the murch will last 7 years, it will not be easy this journey of course.

Again: Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceendigly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

 

[dad]

The standard teaching is the 69th week ends at the cross of Calvary, and the 70th week has been floating ever since, if anyone believes that Malarky, I have swampland in Louisana for sale at $10 million an acre

The messiah did get killed for us long ago. That final seven years is yet to come. After that we get the everlasting righteousness. All this regardless of swamps and unfinished building etc.

 

[dad]

TO ALL

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now?

Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes, this is no coincidence, it was predicted millennia ago. He's a false messiah who will soon manifest, just ahead, with great signs of lying, he will manifest in Israel as a lamb with two horns, he's a Jew, of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.v.3 to 17 and Revelation 13:v. 11 to 18.

Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

Remembering and understanding that the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt was not, without first having taken place a battle against Pharaoh (by the way, there and now is Satan himself), and when the march began for the departure of God's people from Egypt, then the enemy army persecuted the Hebrews, the same will happen now, initially the persecution will be by the man Beast of the sea, it is he who will first persecute the Christian believers - Revelation 13:v.5 - for 42 months, that is the first half of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27. This POINT is only and only the half of the way -3,5 years or 42 months, the GOD's people will need to march more 3,5 years, so the murch will last 7 years, it will not be easy this journey of course.

Again: Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceendigly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

Not sure what point you were trying to make. It sounds like you feel we all need to go through the wrath of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

The messiah did get killed for us long ago. That final seven years is yet to come. After that we get the everlasting righteousness. All this regardless of swamps and unfinished building etc.

I have swampland in Florida for $20 million an acre, to add to that 70th week being 1900+ years and waiting