The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[GEN2REV]

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

Who are the 10 Commandments written to?
They are written to all God's Children.

Who are God's Children? Let's see.

God is a spirit. Those who worship Him (His Children) must worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
John 4:24

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, (those who do them and keep them may go to heaven.)...Ye shall not add unto (them), neither shall ye diminish (them)..., that ye might keep the Commandments of the Lord your God ..."
Deuteronomy 4:1-2

NOTE: this chapter speaks nothing of the Mosaic/Ceremonial laws. It is ONLY referring to the 10 Commandments which ARE God's Law.

"And He declared unto you ... Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on tables of stone."
Deuteronomy 4:13

And what if His Children stop obeying His Commandments?

"... the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,..."
Deuteronomy 4:27

We are living this reality today. Scattered far and wide; few and far between among the nations.

"But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
(This next verse is PROOF POSITIVE that the Commandments are still valid to this very day.)
When thou art in tribulation , and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days (end times), if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God; ) He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers (10 Commandments) which He sware unto them."
Deuteronomy 4:29-31

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

"My covenant will I not break nor alter (forever) the thing that has gone out of My lips."
Psalms 89:34

"For I am the Lord, I change not; ..."
Malachi 3:6

 

[GEN2REV]

Paul tells us in Romans 7 that the Commandments are what taught Him about sin.

Without the Commandments, he wouldn't even know his sin.

If we can still sin today, that means the Commandments are still intact and valid for all mankind.

If they had been done away with, then sin would be done away with.

And we know that just isn't the case, don't we?

 

[GEN2REV]

Mailmandan said:

“The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.”

Now you're understanding. This is exactly what Jesus stood for and displayed with His life.
John 15:10

 

[OzSpen]

We could now say that they are written to all humanity. The question which should be asked is this: "Why did God personally write those commandments on tablets of stone -- not once but twice -- when He could have simply dictated them?" And why were they repeated in two books of the Torah, when one book would have sufficed?" These facts in themselves show how extremely important they were (and still are). They are both moral and spiritual, not merely moral (as many claim).

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Enoch,

I have compiled a comparison between the OT 10 commandments and NT teaching: “Compare the Ten Commandments with New Testament teaching.”

The NT departs from the OT on the issue of Sabbath keeping.

Oz

 

[Enoch111]

The NT departs from the OT on the issue of Sabbath keeping.

I have always maintained that the Lord's Day (the 8th day) is the Christian Sabbath, and it maintains the principles of rest, worship, and good works. That is really what the Sabbath is about. Christians have entered into the eternal Sabbath rest of Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

I have always maintained that the Lord's Day (the 8th day) is the Christian Sabbath, and it maintains the principles of rest, worship, and good works. That is really what the Sabbath is about. Christians have entered into the eternal Sabbath rest of Christ.

Hello Enoch,

You remind me of the rest a believer in Jesus enters through (Him) the door that leads into the pasture, the barn, the kingdom of heaven.

In love,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[theefaith]

He changed the commandments? I think not!

"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever." Isaiah 40:8

"For I am the LORD, I change not;" Malachi 3:6

matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[amadeus]

matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You have quoted Jesus, which is good, but when did God speak His Word for mankind, if not before the foundation of the world of men, the foundation or creation of men themselves? His master plan was in place before the first man walked the face of planet Earth.

Foreknowing the direction that men in their weaknesses and fallibilities would choose to follow, God spoke His Plan. He has never changed it. To men it may seem so, but what do men ultimately know of God and His Ways? We may be bound by time, but is God?

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11

 

[Behold]

I have to get up everyday and confess my sins to God just like everybody else.
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If you are confessing sins, then your Christianity is broken.

Paul said that "Christ always gives me the Victory"..........so, is that Paul confessing sins everyday?

And a heretic responds...."yeah but over here, Paul said..>>"that which i would do, i dont do, and that i want to do i cant do it'.

And i say to that heretic......read the rest of what Paul said,......as this is Paul teaching that you are to come out of that self saving heresy and find your way to this.....>" Christ always gives me the VICTORY">.
And that is what YOU are to have.......and never are you to exist in a broken discipleship of spiritual failure that is "confessing and sinning" everyday.

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Jim B, @1stCenturyLady

Jim B,

YOUR QUOTE TO THE 2ND CLASS WOMAN 1STCENTURYLADY: "It's a good thing that you don't think in extremes -- not! There are many people who, for one reason or another, don't attend a physical church. They may be incapacitated, elderly, or have some other situation that affects their being unable to attend."

Christian churches were NOT built to not be attended, period! Every Christian is to receive their godly doctrines within churches of their particular division of the faith, even the part of Jesus' creation that have maladies of not being able to walk, or other ailments, because ALL churches have handicapped parking spaces for them to use! Therefore, there is no excuse not to attend church, and be damned upon the notion of not attending said churches because the Bible 2nd class woman 1stCenturyLady says one can do it in "spirit," which is another slap once again to Jesus' face!


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[GEN2REV]

Enoch,

I have compiled a comparison between the OT 10 commandments and NT teaching: “Compare the Ten Commandments with New Testament teaching.”

The NT departs from the OT on the issue of Sabbath keeping.

Oz

What is your theory, then, as to why there is undeniable proof of Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, keeping all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT?

 

[BarneyFife]

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@1stCenturyLady,

YOUR QUOTE IN POST #1316 OF LYING IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP AND JESUS!!!: "Firstly, thank you for acknowledging me. I love Adventists and like to have a relationship with all of you, not just @BarnyFife and @quietthinker[ who I call QT, two lovely and fine Christian men."

Where did you come to the conclusion that I am a hell-bound 7th Day Adventist?! I have no division of Christianity that I follow, but read from the scriptures on my own as shown in my "Welcome to this forum" link herewith: On the road for Jesus!

Therefore, you are guilty of the following passage: "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight." (Proverbs 12:22) What did we expect from a woman!


Furthermore, in you being a 2nd class women, as our Judeo-Christian Bible so explicitly states, I am doing you a favor in seeking discourse with you because your unbiblical notions are doing you harm, and other members as well if they swallow your Devil Speak! Therefore, in correcting you relative to my biblical axioms that I am giving you in easily refuting your "womanly" ungodly talk, I will ask for forgiveness from Jesus when I do, because I am not even supposed to be talking to you as a woman in the first place!

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ AND THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS MAN”. For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8 )

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, NOR TO USURP THE AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.” (Timothy 2:12)


Therefore since I am not a hell bound 7th Day Adventist, there is no need for me to "school you" once again upon the correct day of the Sabbath.

“A continual dripping on a rainy day and a quarrelsome wife are alike” (Proverbs 27:15)



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Flee, troll.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

"you can respect the Sabbath Day in "spirit" and not need to go to a church!"

The spiritual aspect of the Sabbath has nothing to do with going to Church services. It was actually a physical rest - which is the letter of the law. The spiritual aspect of God's rest Heb. 4, was Today, meaning everyday, every moment, every second. The letter of the law was outward rest, whereas the spiritual rest is of our very soul.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Flee, troll.

I'm sorry I called him a SDA. He must be of Armstrong's Church of God - a cult.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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@1stCenturyLady,

Let me cut to the chase in relation to your ungodly post #1318, even though you are a 2nd class woman that is to REMAIN SILENT as I have shown you to do scripturally when confronting the superior man (Timothy 2:12), where all of your sophomoric and weak refutations to Jesus and I surmising that a true Christian is to attend a physical church, went severely wanting on all accounts!

Isn't it a Satanic irony on your part, that you conveniently left out this following passage that was inspired by Jesus regarding going to a church on the Sabbath: “Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! …(Psalm 150:1-6)

You cannot follow the passage shown above in giving Jesus praise with music and instruments if you only praise Him in spirit! Therefore you go directly against this Biblical axiom! SHAME!


21stCenturyLady, what did the Christian men expect from a Bible exposed 2nd class woman like you, but to run away from the passage shown above because it damages your ungodly position of "you can respect the Sabbath Day in "spirit" and not need to go to a church!" NOT!

“It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman.” (Proverbs 21:19)


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Jesus freed women when he said "neither male nor female" - all are alike in Jesus. Though he still lived in the culture of the Jews, He himself rose above it.

Paul was still quoting the culture he lived in. They were his own opinions from the culture he lived in.

 

[BrotherDThomas]

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@GEN2REV,

YOUR QUOTE IN YOUR POST 1321 WHERE YOU LEFT OUT AN IMPORTANT PART: "Who are the 10 Commandments written to? They are written to all God's Children."

All of Jesus' children, as our Yahweh Hebrew God incarnate, are for JEWS since Jesus came for the JEWS ONLY and to know one else!
JESUS STATED: “He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24) Jesus was ONLY interested in people of his Jewish heritage and followers as Jewish Christians, and to no other peoples of the earth.

GEN2REV, the Jesus inspired passage above, alone, dictates that Christians, which is defined simply as followers of Jesus, have to be Jewish as so many other passages within the scriptures so state as well. Therefore, what Jewish sect do you belong too?

At this time I am Jewish with no sect affiliation to be able to follow Jesus as Matthew 15:24 so states. Agreed?


YOUR WANTING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "God is a spirit. Those who worship Him (His Children) must worship Him in spirit and in Truth. John 4:24"

NO, Jesus was NOT a "spirit" when He ascended into heaven, but did so in a "fleshly form!" As any TRUE Christian like myself understands, that when Jesus ascended into heaven, then He had to arrive into heaven in a human form like He was upon earth! (Acts 1:9-11)



YOUR CONTINUING RAMBLING AND JABBERWOCKY UPON THE TEN COMMANDMENTS: "And He declared unto you ... Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on tables of stone." Deuteronomy 4:13

As I have respectfully asked you before in the name of Jesus the Christ, WHICH of the 2 remaining 10 Commandments within the scriptures are you talking about, since you wrongfully think that your version of Exodus 20:1-17 is the correct one, of which it is not! Therefore for Christ's sake, TELL US WHICH OF THE OTHER TWO VERSIONS ARE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?



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[quietthinker]

If you are confessing sins, then your Christianity is broken.

Paul said that "Christ always gives me the Victory"..........so, is that Paul confessing sins everyday?

And a heretic responds...."yeah but over here, Paul said..>>"that which i would do, i dont do, and that i want to do i cant do it'.

And i say to that heretic......read the rest of what Paul said,......as this is Paul teaching that you are to come out of that self saving heresy and find your way to this.....>" Christ always gives me the VICTORY">.
And that is what YOU are to have.......and never are you to exist in a broken discipleship of spiritual failure that is "confessing and sinning" everyday.

You confuse status and condition. Our status is we are holy and undefiled and spotless; our condition is we are miserable sinners tainted with selfishness.
Imagining our present condition to be faultless is nothing but a delusion with self honesty being far away.

 

[Abigail]

Those atheists are atheists because they are mad at God, and love our disharmony.

They can't be mad at God when they don't believe God exists. And I think you made a very astute observation there. Our disharmony.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You confuse status and condition. Our status is we are holy and undefiled and spotless; our condition is we are miserable sinners tainted with selfishness.
Imagining our present condition to be faultless is nothing but a delusion with self honesty being far away.

I didn't remember the the Seventh-day Adventist's doctrines still held on to some of Calvin's teachings. Yikes! qtpie, what you described is the "old man" "the flesh". Read Romans 6 through 8. Our old man is crucified, Romans 6:6-7, and we are no in the flesh but in the Spirit Romans 8:9. I did not have the residing Holy Spirit in me when I was SDA either, and it may be this teaching you just declared. qtpie, that is a slap in the face to Jesus and his crucifixion! Let the Spirit kill those old thoughts and false doctrines of Calvin and be resurrected in this life with Christ inside you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They can't be mad at God when they don't believe God exists. And I think you made a very astute observation there. Our disharmony.

The existence of God is evident in nature; they have no excuse except anger toward's someone. Usually it is seeing all the horrors in the world, and deep down they believe if God did exist, why didn't he stop the mayhem. That is why they are angry at God. They should be angry at Satan.