The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Desire Of All Nations]

EXACTLY! Christians are exempt from God's commandments because they intuitively know what to do. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth, not a set of written rules.

What does your Bible say about observing the speed limit or how much TV is acceptable to watch?

If Christians are exempt from keeping God's commandments, then why is that Paul explicitly told the Corinthians to keep them(1 Cor. 7:19)? Why does Rev. 14:12 identifies Christ's true followers keep as people who keep God's commandments? The idea that God's commandments don't apply to Christians is as absurd as the idea that people evolved from lower life forms.

The OP says that the 10 commandments are forever. That is true, but only for those who are under the old Mosaic covenant. I and every other Christian are not under the OT law; we're under God's grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Do you really need a "rule book" to tell you not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, etc?

"But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” - Matt. 4:4

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim. 3:16-17

"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." - 1 Jhn 2:3-4

"I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 4

Who are truth seekers supposed to listen to, true men of God or deceivers who preach lawless gospels about grace being a substitute to obey God?

You would make any Pharisee proud.

He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”​

“For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” - James

Jesus' whole problem with the Pharisees is that they did not keep God's commandments, even though they insisted that they followed Him and that Abraham was their father. It's obvious you haven't taken the time to really appreciate or understand the gravity of Jesus' words there. He condemned the Pharisees' religion as false because they put on a superficial show in front of other people about how much they loved God, even while they deliberately elevated their own customs above His commands.

That's exactly what the "i'm under grace, so i don't have to do anything the OT says" people have been doing ever since. You are mindlessly throwing passages at people without really grasping the fact that you're incriminating yourself and your religion. The Pharisees wouldn't have been proud of someone who kept God's commandments because they constantly plotted to have Jesus murdered for keeping them.

And ever since then, Satan's children harbored the same animus towards people who dared to follow Christ's example in elevating God's commandments above their personal standards. I strongly suggest you and every other antinomian read 2 Tim. 3 where Paul talks about deceived people who despise good and people who put on a religious show while refusing to do what God requires of them. That is the way of the Pharisee.

 

[Jim B]

If Christians are exempt from keeping God's commandments, then why is that Paul explicitly told the Corinthians to keep them(1 Cor. 7:19)? Why does Rev. 14:12 identifies Christ's true followers keep as people who keep God's commandments? The idea that God's commandments don't apply to Christians is as absurd as the idea that people evolved from lower life forms.
"But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” - Matt. 4:4

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim. 3:16-17

"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." - 1 Jhn 2:3-4

"I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 4

Who are truth seekers supposed to listen to, true men of God or deceivers who preach lawless gospels about grace being a substitute to obey God?

Jesus' whole problem with the Pharisees is that they did not keep God's commandments, even though they insisted that they followed Him and that Abraham was their father. It's obvious you haven't taken the time to really appreciate or understand the gravity of Jesus' words there. He condemned the Pharisees' religion as false because they put on a superficial show in front of other people about how much they loved God, even while they deliberately elevated their own customs above His commands.

That's exactly what the "i'm under grace, so i don't have to do anything the OT says" people have been doing ever since. You are mindlessly throwing passages at people without really grasping the fact that you're incriminating yourself and your religion. The Pharisees wouldn't have been proud of someone who kept God's commandments because they constantly plotted to have Jesus murdered for keeping them.

And ever since then, Satan's children harbored the same animus towards people who dared to follow Christ's example in elevating God's commandments above their personal standards. I strongly suggest you and every other antinomian read 2 Tim. 3 where he talks about deceived people who despise good and people who put on a religious show while refusing to do what God requires of them. That is the way of the Pharisee.

You didn't answer my question: what does your Bible say about observing the speed limit or how much TV is acceptable to watch?

You are either under law or under grace. You can post as many out-of-context verses as you want but that won't change the fundamental truth of Christianity. Here it is in context...

Paul wrote this to the church in Galatia, "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." Galatians 3:10-14

 

[Jim B]

You also distorted what I wrote! Was that deliberate???

Again, Christians are exempt from God's commandments because they intuitively know what to do. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth, not a set of written rules.

If you don't understand this then you don't understand the New Covenant. Christians are under grace, not under law.

 

[quietthinker]

I didn't remember the the Seventh-day Adventist's doctrines still held on to some of Calvin's teachings. Yikes! qtpie, what you described is the "old man" "the flesh". Read Romans 6 through 8. Our old man is crucified, Romans 6:6-7, and we are no in the flesh but in the Spirit Romans 8:9. I did not have the residing Holy Spirit in me when I was SDA either, and it may be this teaching you just declared. qtpie, that is a slap in the face to Jesus and his crucifixion! Let the Spirit kill those old thoughts and false doctrines of Calvin and be resurrected in this life with Christ inside you.

You have not understood what I have said 1CL....and besides, why is there a constant reference to SDA?

 

[Enoch111]

You have not understood what I have said 1CL....and besides, why is there a constant reference to SDA?

She would love to become a part of the SDA perhaps?;)

 

[Enoch111]

If you are confessing sins, then your Christianity is broken.

Are you also one of those false Hyper-Grace people? Christians are told to confess their sins to God and confess their faults one to another. Confessing to Catholic priests for absolution is simply nonsense. But you seriously believe that confession is not necessary? Next you will be telling us that you have exceeded Paul in his spirituality and that you are in fact sinlessly perfect.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You have not understood what I have said 1CL....and besides, why is there a constant reference to SDA?

Don't you belong to SDA?

 

[quietthinker]

Don't you belong to SDA?

no

 

[1stCenturyLady]

She would love to become a part of the SDA perhaps?;)

I was raised SDA

 

[1stCenturyLady]

no

Do you belong to a denomination? One started by Armstrong perhaps?

 

[GEN2REV]

You are either under law or under grace.

False.

Under Law means that you are living in sin, that you are breaking the Law of God, the 10 Commandments.

Under Grace does not mean what YOU say it means. It does NOT mean that the Commandments no longer apply to anyone; it means that you now have the Holy Spirit and are being led by Him to OBEY all the Commandments of God.

HYPER-Grace, on the other hand, which is what you and all your cronies are pushing like street crack, is a completely False Doctrine that claims that the Commandments are no longer valid for anyone, you don't need to do a single thing to nurture your salvation and you cannot lose your salvation.

ALL of which are completely unbiblical and complete HERESY.

 

[OzSpen]

What is your theory, then, as to why there is undeniable proof of Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, keeping all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT?

GEN,

I don't have a theory but this is my biblical basis for demonstrating the OT has been abrogated for Christians:

• “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” (Romans 10:4 ESV)
• “So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.” (Galatians 3:24-25 ESV)
  
• “…by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances…” (Ephesians 2:15 ESV)

I don't accept your "undeniable proof" statement when you provided zero evidence. I've given you 3 examples of the end of righteousness by keeping the Law/commandments.

Oz

 

[quietthinker]

Do you belong to a denomination? One started by Armstrong perhaps?

No 1CL....I'm sorry to burst your bubble of assumptions and the package that comes with those assumptions.....however, I want you to know, I don't hold it against you. :)

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: 10 forever commandments?:
Not for The Body Of CHRIST! Only ONE Commandment!:

Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE your neighbor
as yourself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

GRACE And Peace...

 

[OzSpen]

What is your theory, then, as to why there is undeniable proof of Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, keeping all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT?

GEN,

I don't have a theory. I have biblical proof that none of the Old Testament law is binding for Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law and its application to Christians (see,

• Romans 10:4 (ESV), "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
  
• Galatians 3:23–25 (ESV), "Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,"
• Ephesians 2:15 NIV, "by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,"

You provided zero evidence. Above I've presented the biblical evidence to confirm the OT Law has come to an end.

Oz

 

[GEN2REV]

I don't accept your "undeniable proof" statement when you provided zero evidence. I've given you 3 examples of the end of righteousness by keeping the Law/commandments.

I didn't just stumble into this thread.

I've been proving, and providing "undeniable proof", for 68 pages, including the OP.

Catch up or ship out!

Your 3 examples don't prove anything. You've taken them all completely out of context. The third example is the most obvious in mentioning 'ordinances'. That is clearly speaking of the Mosaic Law Ceremonial Ordinances for sacrifices. NONE of them refute the 10 Commandments in any way whatsoever.

My claim: Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, kept all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT.

Jesus kept them.
John 15:10
His disciples kept them.
Luke 23:55-56
His later followers kept them.
Acts 13:42
Acts 21:24

What else ya got?

 

[OzSpen]

I didn't just stumble into this thread.

I've been proving, and providing "undeniable proof", for 68 pages, including the OP.

Catch up or ship out!

Your 3 examples don't prove anything. You've taken them all completely out of context. The third example is the most obvious in mentioning 'ordinances'. That is clearly speaking of the Mosaic Law Ceremonial Ordinances for sacrifices. NONE of them refute the 10 Commandments in any way whatsoever.

My claim: Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, kept all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT.

Jesus kept them.
John 15:10
His disciples kept them.
Luke 23:55-56
His later followers kept them.
Acts 13:42
Acts 21:24

What else ya got?

I've provided verses outside of the Gospels and the Book of Acts but you're not reading and taking notice.

Bye,
Oz

 

[GEN2REV]

Above I've presented the biblical evidence to confirm the OT Law has come to an end.

Not even 'almost.'

Rom. 10:4 refers to the Mosaic Law that was nailed to the cross, NOT the 10 Commandments.

Gal. 3:23-25 Refers to being UNDER the Law when we sin without Christ's Holy Spirit to assist us to KEEP the 10 Commandments.

Eph. 2:15 Refers to the 'ordinances' of the Mosaic Law, the Ceremonial Ordinances of sacrifice.

Try again.

 

[OzSpen]

I didn't just stumble into this thread.

I've been proving, and providing "undeniable proof", for 68 pages, including the OP.

Catch up or ship out!

Your 3 examples don't prove anything. You've taken them all completely out of context. The third example is the most obvious in mentioning 'ordinances'. That is clearly speaking of the Mosaic Law Ceremonial Ordinances for sacrifices. NONE of them refute the 10 Commandments in any way whatsoever.

My claim: Jesus and all His disciples, as well as later followers, kept all the 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, in the NT.

Jesus kept them.
John 15:10
His disciples kept them.
Luke 23:55-56
His later followers kept them.
Acts 13:42
Acts 21:24

What else ya got?

GEN,

So as one being a follower of OT Law, what do you recommend as punishment for disobedient children, adulterers and homosexuals?

Oz

 

[GEN2REV]

I've provided verses outside of the Gospels and the Book of Acts but you're not reading and taking notice.

Bye,
Oz

I've addressed each of your verses and supplied the proof you insisted didn't exist.

Happy trails.