Keiw
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1Corinthians 1:30-- Jesus became wisdom-)- Jesus never claimed to be God.
The only one getting the title Gods master worker is the one whom God created all other things through.
"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.
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1Corinthians 1:30-- Jesus became wisdom-)- Jesus never claimed to be God.
The only one getting the title Gods master worker is the one whom God created all other things through.
Keiw
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out of fact. Jesus clearly teaches he has a God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- Fact--God does not have a God.
Oh? Precious friend, How about:
(1) SELL EVERYTHING, and come follow Him?
(2) Obey "those in Moses seat"?
(3) Freely you have received, freely give...heal the sick, raise the dead, etc.
Did you know?:
Dake’s Study Notes’ by Finis Jennings Dake has 800 NT "commands"?
Are you not off to a Very SAD start "proving your love," IF you have
NOT Even "obeyed 1 - 3" above?
Is it because of?:
Of course not, but did you know?:
God, The Father, "Called HIS SON 'God'"? (Hebrews 1:8)
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God, The SON "Has A Father"? (Revelation 1:6)
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500 Other Plain And Clear Passages Of Confirming Evidence In
God's Word Of Truth?:
"Complete" Case For JESUS Is Almighty God!!
Resisting The LORD JESUS CHRIST, God Almighty, IS, In BIBLICAL
Fact:
at our OWN ETERNAL risk, Correct? Precious friend???
Taken
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Uh.....
God IS His own God.
He counsels Himself.
ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD......
YET...
He sets His OWN LAWFUL LIMITS of what He CAN and can NOT DO.
Taken
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You require Jesus’ words to match your words...
Look at Jesus’ words...
John 10:
[30] I and my Father are one.
Jesus and HIS Father are one WHAT?
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jews said Jesus was making himself God...And WHAT? Jesus corrected them?
Did Jesus SAY....no, no....I’m NOT God? READ ON...
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Is Jesus calling He and His Father ONE....Jesus saying He and His Father are ONE God?
Is Jesus saying He is the Son of God....Jesus saying He and His Father are ONE God?
The Jews expressly SAID....Jesus was CLAIMING “TO BE” God.
So.....??
WHAT is YOUR stance? Please answer.
Do you believe the Jews accusing Jesus were LIARS?
Do you believe what the Jews were STATING A TRUTH, when they were accusing Jesus of claiming to BE God?
Thanks,
Taken
Keiw
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Jesus told a rich man to sell things to help his poor brothers. He obviously didnt mean everything because that man had to live as well.
Trinity translations are filled with errors to mislead.. They teach 2 different gods--1Cor 8:6--only 1 God=the Father--John 4:22-24--Only 1 God the Father--thus proving an error in the last line at John 1:1 a god small g is correct.
Jesus is never called almighty God, only YHWH is. Jesushas a God like us-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- it takes believing Jesus over translation errors. Few will.
Keiw
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They are one in purpose-John 5:30--He is Gods image-Coll 1:15-- No the pharisees were not saying truth.
Taken
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The purposed...of John 5:30...is revealed in; Eph 1
Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
...his will - Gods will
...his pleasure - Gods pleasure
...he purposed - God purposed
...himself - IN God Himself
God HIMSELF, According to Gods WILL, Gods PLEASURE, Gods PURPOSE....
Made known unto mankind....Gods MYSTERY.
WHAT MYSTERY?
God can BE present multiple places at once?
God can BE called by multiple names?
God can BE called by multiple titles?
God can KNOW all, but NOT Tell all?
God can SERVE and BE Served?
God can BE Humble and Be Ruler?
God can BE heard in a fashion of His pleasure and purpose?
God can BE seen in a fashion of His pleasure and purpose?
God can BE LIKE a man, to teach men HOW TO BE LIKE God?
God can CALL what Pleases Him, A Son? A son?
God can Restore what IS NOT GOOD...Restored to Good?
God can Make what IS what is corrupt...Uncorrupted and called holy?
God can Make what IS dead...Alive forever more?
False. The accusers were speaking the TRUTH according to the Law of Moses.
John 19:
[7] The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
JESUS DID NOT “Correct” them.
Did Jesus.....MAKE HIMSELF...the Son of God?
Behold
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Salvation is the same thing as possessing Eternal Life.
This is Jesus, who is eternal Life....joining His Spirit to the Believer's Spirit.
End result? = BORN AGAIN......having Eternal Life.
John said...>"that you may KNOW that you have ETERNAL LIFE".
And the way you know it ??
"Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory'.
Eternal life is NOT Temporary.
Behold
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The "misunderstanding" is not about sin, sinning, confessing sin.....as all that is the fruit of confusion.
So, all of this is related to not understanding what it means to be BORN AGAIN, and the end of this Spiritual Birth.
When a believer does not understand what it means to be born again then they live in a bondage to ..>"im trying to be good, so that God will keep me".
"Im making sure i confess my sins, so that i keep myself saved".
See that mindset? This is person who does not understand what it means to be BORN AGAIN, and because they do not understand this, they are tying to do for themselves.....and maintain by self effort, what can't be maintained, exactly as it can't be caused by them to begin with..
Its like this Reader.
You can't save yourself.........exactly like you can't keep yourself saved.
Why?
Because SALVATION is not of you......Its of GOD through Christ........Its a GIFT, that God gives and the end result is what GOD causes.
What is your part in Salvation?
To BELIEVE and RECEIVE IT.
So, where does the confusion come in?
Right here..... = a person who is saved, does not understand that DISCIPLESHIP, or your walk of FAITH, is not the same as your SALVATION that God caused you to possess, as "the Gift of Salvation" that is to become Born Again as a Son of God.
So, Salvation is the new birth......"a new creation in Christ".........and God causes this to happen to your Spirit.
THEN, you are become a Disciple and you are to walk the walk BECAUSE you are a Son of God....and not to try to remain one..
Salvation is to become born again.
Discipleship......follows salvation, exactly as water baptism follows it......but those are NOT your Salvation...they are your walk that is the result of your already being Born again... and possessing Eternal Life.
GEN2REV
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Addiction isn't something that just runs its course. Its end is to take everything and utterly destroy you. It must be defeated via complete denial within the heart, choosing God and His Ways over it, over and over and over until it is gone.
Addiction is a demonic stronghold. No, it is not possession.
Believe it or not, accepting that it must exist until it "is over with" is acceptance of it on its terms. Therefore, it will never leave you.
Addiction is a Stronghold; but What Does That Mean? – New Life Spirit Recovery
Keiw
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Precious friend:
1) Obviously HE (JESUS) Meant: "SELL EVERYTHING!" Notice the obedience
Of the twelve apostles AND new believers in Acts!:
Act 2:44 "And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men,
as every man had need."
Act 4:32 "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of
one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed
was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of
The Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were
possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things
that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made
unto every man according as he had need.
Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is,
being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."
Now NOTICE the Consequences of Disobedience To CHRIST's Commandment!:
Act 5:1 "But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife,
sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and
brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to
The Holy Ghost [God], and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold,
was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in
thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God [The Holy Ghost!].
Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost:
and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and
buried him.
Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife,
not knowing what was done, came in.
Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land
for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together
to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have
buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up
the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and,
carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Act 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as
many as heard these things."
In ALL Seriousness about God's Word Of Truth!:
Do you believe that it is a good thing that THIS Does NOT Apply TO us, today
Under God's Gospel Of PURE GRACE, OR MOST of us "Would Be DEAD!" Correct?
What DOES Apply?:
Distinctions Of Prophecy vs MYSTERY!
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2) ALL Of God's Evidence IS STILL "In HIS Word Of Truth,"
IF one Dares to Prayerfully And Carefully "study" ALL Of IT! Amen?:
"Complete Case" For JESUS Is Almighty God!
Precious friend, Please be Very Richly Enriched, Encouraged, And Edified
In The Great God And [Only] Saviour, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
In other words, the Difference Between "God's Relationship With us," AND:
"OUR fellowship With HIM!" Amen?:
God's Simple Will!
Lifelong_sinner
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the Trinity, in case you didnt understand it, One God in three persons, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
GEN2REV
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No HUMAN son is his father.
The spirit realm has completely different laws unknowable to the physical man. And God exists outside of time and space. He is unlimited in His potential.
The Glory Jesus had with His Father 'before the world was' was full integration with Him.
John 17:5
ETA: Even trinitarians believe Jesus is God.
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Taken
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God sent His word to Earth, in the likeness as a man and SAID, His word would Be A Son to God...and God would be A Father to Him....Faithful Sons do the will of their Father.
So be it, On Earth the Word of God is a Son to God.
Keiw
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Keiw
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There is just to much evidence against a trinity. Like this one-God is king of eternity. Jesus had to be appointed king, then he must hand it back to his God and Father and subject himself-1Cor 15:24-28
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