"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Keiw]

Virtues are a supernatural help from God!

Theological Virtues: Faith, Hope, & charity!

Faith:

Faith is an intellectual assent to a truth revealed by Christ and proposed by His holy church for our belief!

“Faith is the virtue by which we firmly believe all the truths God has revealed, on the word of God revealing them, who can neither deceive nor be deceived. (John 20:29)”

Act of Faith
O my God, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that Thy Divine Son became man and died for our sins, and that He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived. Amen.

That is sad. Their own translations prove them false. I dont say it to be mean, but here is proof

1Corinthians 11:14--Its a dishonor for a male to have long hair. )In their pictures of Jesus, show him with long hair bringing dishonor to his Fathers name. Jesus would never do that. simple bible milk
Matthew 23:9--Do not call any man on earth-father--Not as a dad but a spiritual teacher. The clergy are called father, The Pope elevates himself into Gods position by being called-holy father. simple bible milk
The bible condemns the usage of statues, icons, graven images. simple bible milk.
How can they understand the meat if they cannot understand simple bible milk?

 

[marks]

Just 1 the Father=God capitol G-- small g god = has godlike qualities those are not God.

So Jesus is called a god, but He's not really a god?

It seems everytime I disagree with someone over a Scripture, it's because they don't accept what it says.

You realize, the Greek New Testament was written in uncial alphabet, right? No capitalization?

Jesus is called god, but isn't god. OK.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

Just 1 the Father=God capitol G-- small g god = has godlike qualities those are not God.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

 

[theefaith]

Is Christ eternal?

 

[theefaith]

The divinity of Christ and the trinity are Christian doctrines
You cannot reject them and still be Christian

 

[ScottA]

Do you believe in a pre-trib rapture, or do you believe in what the Word actually says, that there will be those who are alive and remain through the Great Tribulation to the coming of the Lord?

Not sure why you are taking this side trip, but the time components of such beliefs are the teachings of men, and of the world. Nonetheless, in the world we have tribulation, even Great Tribulation. But none so great as that abomination of the crucifixion of Christ.

You even twist 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Yes, it can only be understood clearly by the Spirit, but God is not one of confusion. He didn't write His word to be twisted into something ENTIRELY unrecognizable and have His word say something different than HIS context.

You contradict God-- I even gave you the scripture of His confusing/confounding "all language", which order He did not limit to exclude scripture, nor has it been rescinded. On the contrary, the scriptures confirm that the words are "foolishness" to the natural man, and the utterances of the Spirit, appear as "drunkenness."

 

[ScottA]

Is Christ eternal?

"Christ" is not, but is the Son that is eternal. It was the Christ who died, but the Son who is alive.

 

[ScottA]

the mark is simple

Whoever keeps the whole law yet offends in one point is guilty

The mark is perfection.

Only one hum has kept that mark and that was Jesus.

everyone else has fallen short.

Gods standard of righteousness is perfect. If we do anything that falls outside that standard, we have sinned.

Sorry, I have not kept up with all the posts and comments here...

But are you saying that you do not believe that the blood of Jesus covers all sin (except against the Holy Spirit)? Or that He did not enter the depths of the earth before leading captivity captive unto perfection the third day for all who are in Him?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

All thought stops on the day of ones death. It wouldnt matter where one is.

That is not true. We will KNOW GOD even as He knows us now. Read the end of 1 Cor. 13.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry, I have not kept up with all the posts and comments here...

But are you saying that you do not believe that the blood of Jesus covers all sin (except against the Holy Spirit)? Or that He did not enter the depths of the earth before leading captivity captive unto perfection the third day for all who are in Him?

No I did not say this

I was talking about what the greek word hamarte translated sin in the english bibles means

The word literally means to miss the mark.

 

[Keiw]

So Jesus is called a god, but He's not really a god?

It seems everytime I disagree with someone over a Scripture, it's because they don't accept what it says.

You realize, the Greek New Testament was written in uncial alphabet, right? No capitalization?

Jesus is called god, but isn't god. OK.

Much love!

Moses was called God--he is isnt God-- Satan is called god- he isnt god

So Jesus is called a god, but He's not really a god?

It seems everytime I disagree with someone over a Scripture, it's because they don't accept what it says.

You realize, the Greek New Testament was written in uncial alphabet, right? No capitalization?

Jesus is called god, but isn't god. OK.

Much love!

Moses was called God--Exodus 7:1--he isnt God--satan is called god-2Cor 4:4--he isnt God.
God did it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22-- John 5:30-- He isnt God--- all 3 however have godlike qualities.

 

[Keiw]

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

you just counted 3 off.

 

[Keiw]

That is not true. We will KNOW GOD even as He know us now. Read the end of 1 Cor. 13.

Psalm 146:4-- All thoughts perish on the day of ones death) Ecclesiastes 9:10-All that your hands find to do, do with your very power. for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol( Hades) the place to which you are going.

 

[theefaith]

you just counted 3 off.

one divine nature 3 persons

just like three humans can have the same human nature but are three distinct persons

 

[marks]

Moses was called God--he is isnt God-- Satan is called god- he isnt god

Moses was called God--Exodus 7:1--he isnt God--satan is called god-2Cor 4:4--he isnt God.
God did it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22-- John 5:30-- He isnt God--- all 3 however have godlike qualities.

You bring up some interesting points.

Exodus 7:1-2 KJV
1) And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2) Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

"A god to Pharoah" He isn't just outright called God, or god, or however you want to write this. Personally I think the context of this makes it clear what God was doing with Moses and Pharaoh, putting him in the "power position" over Pharaoh, which is what the word basically means, as I understand it, "mighty one", is that right?

2 Corinthians 4:3-5 KJV
3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

One thing I'll mention, IF this passage is speaking here of Satan, then this is the ONLY place in the New Testament where "Ho Theos" does not refer to the true Creator God.

When we speak of God, and gods, I like to clarify, there is one true God, and all others are pretenders, false, demonic.

There is another place where God calls men "gods",

"I have said you are gods, but you shall die like men," from the Psalms. Judges refers to the rulers as elohim. I'd need to search for the references here, I don't have them memorized, I'm sorry. This of course was the passage that Jesus quoted, saying that if the Scriptures called them "gods", and Scripture cannot be broken, then why did they have such a problem with Jesus saying He is the Son of God?

But the Jews knew full well what Jesus was saying, their entire objection was that Jesus, in saying He is the Son of God, was making Himself equal with God, because they knew, the Son of God was God Himself. Even as we ourselves, if we have believed, are the children of God, as God Himself lives in us now.

Jesus, the "monogenesis", "of a single generation", that is to say, "that which is generated in a unique way", was resisted by the Pharisees primarily for 2 reasons, He threatened their socio/economic structure, and He kept saying things He could only say if He is actually God.

Moses made no claims for himself, and if God declared Moses a mighty one - a god - to Pharaoh, I don't see this on the same par as Jesus, a Man who consistently presented Himself to Israel in ways that showed His divinity.

Again, the Pharisees objected because they could not accept that He is God. And they kept pressing Him to say Who He is, and He kept answering, He's told them, but they won't believe it.

If Satan is called the god of this world, we know this is a false god. Satan is not any god at all. And even when Satan demanded Jesus worship him, yet he still made no claim of godhood.

"whose minds the god of this world has blinded"
"I have made the a god to Pharaoh"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
"I have said you are gods, but you shall die like men"

"Not for any good works do we stone you, but because you, a man, make yourself God."

The Pharisees knew these Scriptures, and they knew the distinction that was being made. We shouldn't try to erase the distinction that was presented clearly by the native speakers in the actual conversation who were the 'experts' about what the OT said.

They knew what Jesus was saying. "You, a man, make yourself God. So you have to die!"

What wisdom is there in ignoring this?

John 5:30 KJV
30) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Philippians 2:6-8 KJV
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Let me ask you . . .

We believe Jesus is righteous and Holy and True, are we agreed? If Jesus humbled Himself, what was He before? Glorious? If Jesus became obedient, what was He before?

Sovereign?

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

We believe Jesus is righteous and Holy and True, are we agreed? If Jesus humbled Himself, what was He before? Glorious? If Jesus became obedient, what was He before?

Sovereign?

Yes, sovereign. Jesus, like us, was created in God's image to do the will of the Father, as an extension of Himself (of the Father). He was obedient to that, just as we would hope that our own sons would do what we send them out to do. But there is something to understand about sons and daughters--not by what we experience in the world, but by the example given to us by God: Eve was not an independent creation, but taken out of man. Likewise, Jesus was not independent. And just as we have learned of the mystery of marriage and what is fully meant by "the two become one flesh", we too become One with Christ in marriage...and as He prayed, One also with the Father.

Thus, just as there is only One God, there is also only one man, the man Jesus Christ, in whom all are One--in God.

And this is the obedience of Christ, that He would do the will of Him of whom He is One, that we who would be His might become Sons, and One with God also. This is the obedience of one who is part, acting in the Oneness of the One.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thus, just as there is only One God, there is also only one man, the man Jesus Christ, in whom all are One--in God.

Actually, sinner's are one with the devil. The born again are one with God. We are all one with our master.

 

[ScottA]

Actually, sinner's are one with the devil. The born again are one with God. We are all one with our master.

Yes, thanks, as I said further down:

And this is the obedience of Christ, that He would do the will of Him of whom He is One, that we who would be His might become Sons, and One with God also. This is the obedience of one who is part, acting in the Oneness of the One.

 

[Keiw]

You bring up some interesting points.

Exodus 7:1-2 KJV
1) And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2) Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

"A god to Pharoah" He isn't just outright called God, or god, or however you want to write this. Personally I think the context of this makes it clear what God was doing with Moses and Pharaoh, putting him in the "power position" over Pharaoh, which is what the word basically means, as I understand it, "mighty one", is that right?

2 Corinthians 4:3-5 KJV
3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

One thing I'll mention, IF this passage is speaking here of Satan, then this is the ONLY place in the New Testament where "Ho Theos" does not refer to the true Creator God.

When we speak of God, and gods, I like to clarify, there is one true God, and all others are pretenders, false, demonic.

There is another place where God calls men "gods",

"I have said you are gods, but you shall die like men," from the Psalms. Judges refers to the rulers as elohim. I'd need to search for the references here, I don't have them memorized, I'm sorry. This of course was the passage that Jesus quoted, saying that if the Scriptures called them "gods", and Scripture cannot be broken, then why did they have such a problem with Jesus saying He is the Son of God?

But the Jews knew full well what Jesus was saying, their entire objection was that Jesus, in saying He is the Son of God, was making Himself equal with God, because they knew, the Son of God was God Himself. Even as we ourselves, if we have believed, are the children of God, as God Himself lives in us now.

Jesus, the "monogenesis", "of a single generation", that is to say, "that which is generated in a unique way", was resisted by the Pharisees primarily for 2 reasons, He threatened their socio/economic structure, and He kept saying things He could only say if He is actually God.

Moses made no claims for himself, and if God declared Moses a mighty one - a god - to Pharaoh, I don't see this on the same par as Jesus, a Man who consistently presented Himself to Israel in ways that showed His divinity.

Again, the Pharisees objected because they could not accept that He is God. And they kept pressing Him to say Who He is, and He kept answering, He's told them, but they won't believe it.

If Satan is called the god of this world, we know this is a false god. Satan is not any god at all. And even when Satan demanded Jesus worship him, yet he still made no claim of godhood.

"whose minds the god of this world has blinded"
"I have made the a god to Pharaoh"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
"I have said you are gods, but you shall die like men"

"Not for any good works do we stone you, but because you, a man, make yourself God."

The Pharisees knew these Scriptures, and they knew the distinction that was being made. We shouldn't try to erase the distinction that was presented clearly by the native speakers in the actual conversation who were the 'experts' about what the OT said.

They knew what Jesus was saying. "You, a man, make yourself God. So you have to die!"

What wisdom is there in ignoring this?

John 5:30 KJV
30) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Philippians 2:6-8 KJV
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Let me ask you . . .

We believe Jesus is righteous and Holy and True, are we agreed? If Jesus humbled Himself, what was He before? Glorious? If Jesus became obedient, what was He before?

Sovereign?

Much love!

Jesus is the speaker at Proverbs 8=Gods master worker. The one whom God created all other things through. He tells you there he was created. He tells all there they must listen to him. The one God grew especially fond of= The firstborn of all creation-Collosians 1:15--The image of God. An image is never the real McCoy. The real reason Jesus teaches he has a God like we do, his Father. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
There are many errors in trinity translations. They teach 2 different gods. Here is Paul telling all who God is-1Cor 8:6--Here is Jesus telling all who God is-John 4:22-24

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus is the speaker at Proverbs 8=Gods master worker. The one whom God created all other things through. He tells you there he was created.

Since Wisdom is personified as A WOMAN in Proverbs 8, you just made up a little fantasy (or should we say Fake News?). What about all the actual passages where Jesus tells you that He is God? You ignore them at your eternal peril.