Hebrews 3-4: Not About Sabbath-Keeping

[Hidden In Him]

I thank you for sharing but considering that not all saved believers will be ready when the Bridegroom comes is why it applies to the rapture event when God will judge His House first. This is where the least in the kingdom of God comes from that are still in it, in spite of breaking the least of His commandments and teaching others so in Matthew 5:19 This is why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity that gets left behind to die and yet they will be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth to serve the king of kings on earth.

So those not found abiding in Him, will be left behind, their dead bodies scattered and left unburied all because they refused to enter the New Covenant by believing in Him for all things and rest in Him that they were complete in Christ as they trust Him to finish the race to His glory by helping them to lay aside every weight & sin so they can be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Supper above.

That is how works that deny Him as Savior can be seen as coming short of that rest in Jesus Christ; be it looking to the Catholic Church to do the sacraments to obtain salvation by, to keep the sabbath day as if they are under the Old Covenant to obtain salvation by like the Jews, or keeping that commitment to follow Christ as if that is the power in living the Christian life rather than by faith in Jesus Christ, thus trying to finish by the flesh what was begun in the Spirit, or seeking a continual filling of the Holy Spirit as if we are not always Spirit-filled since salvation so that our focus is on Jesus Christ in helping us to go on to perfection rather than engage in supernatural work denying Him as if we are not always Spirit-filled since salvation. Matthew 9:17 testifies we are not a leaky vessel for why we are saved & John 6:35 testifies we would never seek to be filled because we shall never hunger nor thirst again after coming to & having believed in Jesus Christ & Luke 11:9-13 testifies that the Father is not evil that He would give the holy Spirit again as if He did not do it the first time at our salvation for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

There are a lot of errors and apostasy for how a saved believer can labor in unbelief and come short of that rest in Jesus Christ in entering Heaven to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor and to his glory for what He has done in having saved us; as the reason why we cab rest in Him now.

This reply seems to be further trying to establish that salvation is not by works, but it doesn't really address my argument that salvation is not the subject matter being discussed in Hebrews 3 - 4; rather entering the millennial rest is, the true "promised land" He has promised when all is said and done.

 

[ReChoired]

Ok, I'm struggling to make out your answers, but this right here seems to be a lot like fancy footwork to me, i.e. it reads like theological double talk. If you are going to interpret the text as referring to "7th Day keepers" one minute and "Sabbath keepers" the next, you appear to altering the meaning arbitrarily...

I'll give this more study, but at first glance I think you are playing with the text to maintain a particular doctrinal position rather than being honest with it. But until I can look at this further, if you could, which Jews were the true sabbath keepers and which were merely 7th day keepers?

God bless,
- H

The 7th day is a 24 hr period of time. God rested in that time. Two things, yet now connected together. Yet it is possible to enter into the time of the 7th day (24 hr), and not keep God's sabbath (rest) in that time.

It's like scripture. God and man combined.
It's like Jesus. Deity and humanity combined mysteriously.
It's like marriage. Man and woman combined.

The commandment involves a period of time (6 days and the 7th), and in the 7th God Himself rested in that specific time.

I am not playing with the text Hidden. I am distinctly dissecting it for anyone to read into its individual parts.

For instance, the Pharisees (along with their vain traditions) knew all about the 7th day (commandment of God). Yet, were they actually keeping sabbath with murder in their hearts, and rejecting the Lord of the Sabbath - Jesus? No. They were keeping the 7th day outwardly in appearance (so called) and in mind (though wrongly violating God's actual law), but not sabbath.

So Caiphas, Annaias, Herod, Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, lawyers, Barabbas, etc. and many of the people who followed them, which rejected Jesus were 7th day keepers. Jesus even told them that they were in sin and bondage. See the very beginning of His ministry in Luke 4.

Sabbath keepers were disciples (of God; like Zacharias and Elizabeth, John the Baptist and his disciples, later the 11 apostles, Lazarus, and many women, like Mary Magdalena), those who later accepted Jesus (Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathaea, etal.) and Jesus Himself.

 

[GEN2REV]

sabbath was NEVER re given to the Church in any NT Epistle!

sabbath was NEVER deleted from the Church in any NT Epistle!

 

[Pearl]

What about all of the Gentiles ("sons of the stranger") who kept it? Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7 KJB?

Was Moses a "Jew"? What about his wife "Zipporah"? What about the "mixed multitude" that came out of Egypt with the Israelites?

Sorry, you seem to know all the answers already so I wonder why you need to ask the questions.

 

[Hidden In Him]

For instance, the Pharisees (along with their vain traditions) knew all about the 7th day (commandment of God). Yet, were they actually keeping sabbath with murder in their hearts, and rejecting the Lord of the Sabbath - Jesus? No. They were keeping the 7th day outwardly in appearance (so called) and in mind (though wrongly violating God's actual law), but not sabbath.

Yes, I understood that this was likely your argument. All I'm telling you is, the contention with the Israelites as described in both Hebrews 3-4 and 1 Corinthians 10, as well as in Exodus and Numbers, was not over the keeping of the sabbath; it was over their entering into unbelief and then sin and rebellion against God. This is the primary subject matter being addressed in Hebrews and what he was warning them about, not about failing to keep the sabbath after the certain manner, whether after outward appearances or otherwise.

But I'll try and take a closer look either tomorrow or the next day. I'm thinking of taking a day off (though it usually doesn't happen, LoL).

 

[ReChoired]

Sorry, you seem to know all the answers already so I wonder why you need to ask the questions.

Yeah, why did Jesus do that?

 

[Pearl]

Yeah, why did Jesus do that?

He did it better :)

 

[ReChoired]

He did it better :)

I'm just a child, learning to grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ.

 

[farouk]

You are in error.

The entire context of Hebrews 7 speaks to the carnal commandment to make men, of Levi, priests. There is no such command in the Ten Commandments, which are all spiritual.

The change of the law refers not to the Ten Commandments, but to the law of priest making. The priest is still required, but not of Levi, but instead of God's promise of one coming after the higher order of priesthood, Melchizedek.

Sabbath-keeping was part of the law system.

 

[farouk]

He did it better :)

@Pearl "Better" is a keyword in Hebrews... :)

 

[ReChoired]

@Pearl "Better" is a keyword in Hebrews... :)

Surely is, but nowhere is therein a "better" Law than the Ten Commandments, for it is perfect and cannot be added unto or taken away from. Better sacrifices, yes. Better promises, yes. Better covenant, yes. Better and enduring substance in Heaven, yes. Better country, yes. Better resurrection, yes. Better thing, yes.

 

[farouk]

Surely is, but nowhere is therein a "better" Law than the Ten Commandments, for it is perfect and cannot be added unto or taken away from. Better sacrifices, yes. Better promises, yes. Better covenant, yes. Better and enduring substance in Heaven, yes. Better country, yes. Better resurrection, yes. Better thing, yes.

...but the Sabbath as law keeping was not carried forward.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from: by God's grace my understanding would be generally dispensational.

 

[mailmandan]

"Vine", a counterfeit to the true "Vine" (Jesus), is in error:

https://ia904604.us.archive.org/26/items/hebrews-4-vs-9-sabbatismos-image/Hebrews 4 Vs 9 - Sabbatismos Image.png

Why do you take the assumption of (counterfeit) "Vine", in the place of the actual words in Hebrews 4, which comes from the true "Vine" (Jesus)?

It’s your misinterpretation of Hebrews 4 that is the counterfeit. You remind me of Israel in Romans 10:1-4.

 

[ReChoired]

...but the Sabbath as law keeping was not carried forward.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from: by God's grace my understanding would be generally dispensational.

Who was the Sabbath made for?

https://archive.org/download/who-wa...o Was The Sabbath Really Made For - Jesus.png

 

[mailmandan]

Sabbath-keeping was part of the law system.

Amen! Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the body of Christ/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[ReChoired]

It’s your misinterpretation of Hebrews 4 that is the counterfeit. You remind me of Israel in Romans 10:1-4.

Simply saying what you have about what I have shared in Hebrews 4 is not evidence in favor of your statement being accurate in any way. You simply asserted the statement and have not shown what I have provided to be in error or out of harmony with scripture, at all.

You then bring in the ad hominem against my person and the non sequitur of Romans 10:1-4.

There is quite a bit in Romans 10:1-4, perhaps in stead of simply asserting your a priori, you would enter into study of it, line upon line, precept upon precept, with me.

 

[ReChoired]

Amen! Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the body of Christ/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Jesus is Israel, even the one for whom the Sabbath was made.

https://archive.org/download/the-real-israel-jesus/The Real Israel - Jesus.png

https://ia804600.us.archive.org/9/i...o Was The Sabbath Really Made For - Jesus.png

Colossians 2:16-17 aren't addressing God's Sabbath, but theirs.

https://archive.org/download/coloss...-image/Colossians 2vs14-16 Nutshell Image.png

 

[mailmandan]

Simply saying what you have about what I have shared in Hebrews 4 is not evidence in favor of your statement being accurate in any way. You simply asserted the statement and have not shown what I have provided to be in error or out of harmony with scripture, at all.

You then bring in the ad hominem against my person and the non sequitur of Romans 10:1-4.

There is quite a bit in Romans 10:1-4, perhaps in stead of simply asserting your a priori, you would enter into study of it, line upon line, precept upon precept, with me.

Our “sabbatismos” rest in Hebrews 4 is our perpetual rest found in Christ in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Plain and simple. None of your biased SDA arguments are anything new or enlightening.

This site many be helpful for you.

Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - Home

 

[JesusFan1]

Also add Revelation 3:10 and Revelation 17:12 "hour" of the "try(ing) [test]".

Nothing to do with keeping of the Jewish Sabbath!

 

[JesusFan1]

Jesus is Israel, even the one for whom the Sabbath was made.

https://archive.org/download/the-real-israel-jesus/The Real Israel - Jesus.png

https://ia804600.us.archive.org/9/items/who-was-the-sabbath-really-made-for-jesus/Who Was The Sabbath Really Made For - Jesus.png
NO NT passage states anywhere the Church placed back under the jewish sabbath!

Colossians 2:16-17 aren't addressing God's Sabbath, but theirs.

https://archive.org/download/colossians-2vs-14-16-nutshell-image/Colossians 2vs14-16 Nutshell Image.png