"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

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Taken

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Not biblically. You cannot fall away from something you never had.

Every single person who HEARS the Word of God,
IS
GIFTED FAITH from God.

Hearing....................DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Receiving Faith..........DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Believing...................DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Going to Church.........DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Following...................DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Christian...................DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Tempted....................DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.
Baptized in Water........DOES NOT MEAN SAVED.

Any
PERSON CAN...
Hear
Receive Faith
Believe
Go to Church
Follow
Call themselves A Christian
Be Tempted
Be Baptized in Water

AND NOT BE SAVED!

Any UNSAVED Person...

Can...Hear, and STOP Hearing
Can...Receive FAITH and FALL AWAY
Can...Believe, and STOP Believing
Can...Go to Church, and STOP going to Church
Can...Follow, and STOP Following
Can...Be a Christian, and STOP being a Christian
Can...Be Tempted
Can...Be Baptized in Water

AND THEY ARE STILL NOT SAVED!

Read the Scriptures...There are plenty Examples of people, hearing, receiving faith, believing, going to church, following, baptized in water......
AND....WERE NEVER SAVED!

Sheesh!





 

Taken

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God HAS A GIFT.....CALLED FAITH.
Hummm....HOW TO RECEIVE that Gift?
SIMPLE...HEAR the WORD of God.

Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving

A NOVEL IDEA....
Matt 19:
[14] But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Little children-
Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving
Hearing - Receiving

ANY CONFUSION?
Hear...God Gifts His Gift of FAITH!

STOP Hearing....STOP Receiving.
STOP Hearing....STOP Receiving.
STOP Hearing....STOP Receiving.
STOP Hearing....STOP Receiving.

RESULT?

Well WHAT DID THE PERSON “DO” with their “GIFT OF FAITH” ?

NOTHING!

What is your address?
I am going to send you every day a GIFT CARD.
Every day go to YOUR mail box, Open the Envelope, get YOUR GIFT CARD.
The GIFT CARD IS YOURS.
Every day Keep taking YOUR Gift Card from YOUR mail BOX.
Put the CARDS IN YOUR WALLET, carry YOUR GIFT CARDS around with YOU.

WHAT is YOUR BENEFIT of carrying around YOUR GIFT CARDS?

NOTHING!

STOP Hearing the Word of GOD - STOP Receiving FAITH.
STOP Taking the GIFT Card out of your mail box - STOP receiving the Card.

Keep receiving FAITH...and DO NOTHING WITH THAT GIFT...
Keep receiving the CARD...and DO NOTHING WITH THAT GIFT...

How do you BENEFIT? YOU Don’t.

YOU RECEIVED A FREE GIFT, and DID NOTHING WITH THAT GIFT...
OOPS YOU BODILY DIE....
TOO BAD...YOU are NO LONGER ABLE to “DO ANYTHING” with the Gifts GIVE YOU, that YOU RECEIVED!

GET IT? IF YOU DO NOT USE YOUR GIFTS, THERE IS NO BENEFIT FOR YOU.

YOU DO NOT receive the gift of SALVATION.
YOU DO NOT receive the gifts of merchandise.
 

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ONCE saved, a person IS secure. Period.

Kind of, in a sense, fence sitting, is not security. It’s wishy washy and spouted by the same who stand AGAINST, the Lords Word.


OSAS is not biblical.
And no one that knows it can't be true is sitting on a fence.

Jesus said if we abide in Him we will not be thrown out as a dead branch.

It's up to us to abide,,,
It's up to Him to save.
John 15
 
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OSAS is not biblical.
And no one that knows it can't be true is sitting on a fence.

Jesus said if we abide in Him we will not be thrown out as a dead branch.

It's up to us to abide,,,
It's up to Him to save.
John 15
John 15 is about fruitfulness. Romans 8 makes it clear that a true believer truly is saved; there is no doubt about it...
 

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John 15 is about fruitfulness. Romans 8 makes it clear that a true believer truly is saved; there is no doubt about it...
John 15 is about branches being burned because they are not abiding.

The bible says what is says,,,
Not what we wish it said.
Reply to my post to you...just sent.
 

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John 15 is about branches being burned because they are not abiding.

The bible says what is says,,,
Not what we wish it said.
Reply to my post to you...just sent.
If there was no real life in the dead branch in the first place, then it won't abide.

It's not my works or supposed worthiness that supposedly keeps me in Christ. It's all of Him; it's all of grace.
 

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OSAS is not biblical.

Utterly FALSE! ONCE SAVED....IS SAVED Forever.

John 10
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.


And no one that knows it can't be true is sitting on a fence.

Utterly FALSE. Sitting on the fence. IS NOT SAVED.

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me...

Jesus said if we abide in Him we will not be thrown out as a dead branch.

It's up to us to abide,,,
It's up to Him to save.
John 15

IF YOU ARE ABIDING WITH JESUS...so what? YOU CAN LEAVE.
IF JESUS IS ABIDING WITH YOU......so what? JESUS CAN LEAVE.

Did you not read and study the OT...??
Men were abiding WITH God....Men LEFT God.
God was abiding WITH men.....God LEFT Men.

Did you not read and study the NT...??
Men were abiding WITH Jesus....Men LEFT Jesus.
Jesus was abiding WITH Men....Jesus LEFT Men.

DID you not LEARN what Jesus OFFERED?
Jesus OFFERED the HOLY SPIRIT TO BE.....IN......a MAN.

DO you NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN...”WITH” and “IN”?

Man WITH God is NOT SAVED.
God WITH a MAN is NOT SAVED.
Gods HOLY SPIRIT “IN” a man IS SAVED!

Gods HOLY SPIRIT “IN” a man IS God FOREVER “WITH” that man.
Nothing you say, or claim, or deny....CHANGES God BEING “WITH” a man FOREVER!

Your claims, denial, rejection....has ZERO power to make God a Liar.
Your claims, denial, rejection....has ZERO power to make A SAVED man, Not Saved.
 

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13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root.
They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
It doesn't say they profess, they truly believe.
Even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved"?

First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.

IN CONTRAST TO - Mark 4:8 - But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred. Luke 8:15 says, But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. So the rocky soil represents a person not properly prepared in heart so the seed planted ends up with a lack of "root" (lack of being firmly planted, or established) and good soil represents a person properly prepared in heart who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keeps it and bears fruit with patience.

*Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It can't. Also the same Greek word for believe "pisteuo" is used in James 2:19, in which we read that the demons believe"mental assent" that "there is one God," but they are not saved.

John has portrayed people who "believe" (at least to some extent) but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.

Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. We can see at best, these Jews believed in Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words, we see they did not truly "believe unto salvation" and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
You cannot abandon what you never had.
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Obviously you presume that "depart from the faith" means that born again believers depart from saving faith in Christ and lose their salvation. The words "the faith" (Gr. tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for cults or false religions. That does not prove they were previously born again. In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

They were actually sanctified and then fell away.
If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) Pay close attention that in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't always necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in this community of Hebrew Christians, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with these Hebrew Christians was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
 
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See Romans 8.38-39.....

The OSAS crowd look for scriptures to insinuate that no matter how much you sin or how evil you are, you are still going to heaven and heaven therefore will be filled with evil.
First off, not everyone that believes in Christ will make it past Judgment Day.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Forming accurate biblical beliefs?....You cannot interpret scriptures out of context, or contrary to the theme, spirit, or storyline of the scriptures. For example:
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."
If you make this a religious belief you are going to have a false belief.
Then
Matthew 17:21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Try teaching this from the pulpit as a religion and see what happens.

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

No possibility of forgiveness mention here or in context. If you make this a religious belief that is if you sin there is no hope...you will have a false belief.
Forgiveness is a possibility but it is not automatic or a guarantee. Because Judgment Day is about judgment not a free pass.
2nd Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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Where does scripture say we are saved forever
NO MATTER WHAT?

Which is what OSAS means.

Saved forever “no matter what”?
Scripture is NOT about YOUR WORDS.
Scripture is ABOUT discovering Gods WORD.

Do you NOT understand the difference of “being with you” and “being IN you”?