Secure Eternal Salvation

[Ferris Bueller]

There arenb't any - for the one who understands God's Word.

So the word of God doesn't really mean what it says, then, right?
That's a red flag that you're dealing with a false doctrine, folks.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

They ALL point to the fact that works COMPLETE faith.

We know works complete, or fill up, faith. What is being resisted is the false teaching that works make you righteous before God. If you could make yourself righteous by doing works then Christ died for nothing (Galatians 2:21). You can only be made righteous in God's sight by having your unrighteousness removed through forgiveness. That's what makes justification a free gift. But if justification is granted upon the satisfactory completion of righteous work then justification is no longer a reward of grace but a reward of debt owed to you.

 

[theefaith]

Except for the 'holy mother church' garbage these are correct examples of submission to authority. But none of these examples of submission will make you righteous. Only having your sin wiped away through faith in God's forgiveness does that. That is the righteousness that comes from God through faith. Not the righteousness you give to God through your doings.

holy mother church gal 4:26

Jn 20:21-23 as the father sent me, (and you must obey Christ) so I send you (the apostles must also be obeyed)

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Romans 6:16
….of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

GOD pproduced those works for you to do as a completion OF fauth, not as a result FROM it

So how does completing faith by doing righteous work MAKE you righteous?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

holy mother church gal 4:26

This 'holy mother' stuff is just junk.
I can't stand to hear this crap anymore. It's sickening.

 

[theefaith]

Sorry my friend, I listen to jesus

I also listen to John and Paul, they are the church or have you forgotten that

Obeying the apostles and the church is obeying Christ!

Rejecting the apostles and the church is rejecting Christ!

Obedience

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered

Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone, but to suffer for Christ

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Obeying the apostles and the church is obeying Christ!

Rejecting the apostles and the church is rejecting Christ!

We have the words of the Apostles in the Bible. We don't need your Catholic priesthood.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone, but to suffer for Christ

Everybody knows this. What you don't understand is this has nothing to do with faith all by itself making you righteous. Faith alone is James' argument and means exactly what James says he means by it. Righteousness apart from works is Paul's argument and it means exactly what Paul says it means, and it doesn't mean the same thing as James' faith alone argument.

The Catholic's failure to distinguish between the two is exactly why they follow the very works gospel of damnation that Paul warned us about.

 

[theefaith]

If anyone says you can be justified by faith alone: let him be Anathema!

holy apostolic council of Trent:
By the order of the apostles of Jesus Christ with the authority of Christ!
Bound on earth bound in heaven!
Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If anyone says you can be justified by faith alone: let him be Anathema!

holy apostolic council of Trent:
By the order of the apostles of Jesus Christ with the authority of Christ!
Bound on earth bound in heaven!
Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18

We don't care about the council of Trent.
Paul says Abraham was made righteous by the hearing of faith without works. We're going with that.
But we also understand that the same man who is made righteous by the hearing of faith without works will have the works to show for the righteousness he has received from God. And so a man will be justified that way, too.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I've ALREADY shjown you that YOU didn't "produuce" anything - GOD pproduced those works for you to do as a completion OF fauth, not as a result FROM it

HE gets the glory for those works. YOU'RE simpoky doing what HE arranged in advance for you to do as the completion of your faith. THAT'S what it means to be "His handiwork" (Eph. 2:10).

God did not carry me to the baptismal

He did not carry me to church to take the eucharist

he did not do my work for me.

It is not a completion of faith. It is a result of it.

WHen you trust your parents, and they ask you to do something, You do not think about it,. You do it, because you trust them.

If you do it just because your looking to get something from them, and not out of trust then your not doing it out of faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Obeying the apostles and the church is obeying Christ!

Rejecting the apostles and the church is rejecting Christ!

Obedience

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered

Phil 1:29 not called to faith alone, but to suffer for Christ

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

yep.

Well I listen to the apostles. and jesus

I don't listen to a church that tries to institute salvation by works..

non of those verses you posted contradicts my gospel..

 

[TEXBOW]

The problem is, has and always will be that for some denominations Faith is just too simple of a message. God surly needs some help in saving me.. If it was that simple you would not need the priesthood, the rituals, the idols, the institution.

Your works are evidence of your salvation not the pathway to salvation. Just too simple for the corporate Church.

 

[theefaith]

Yes, really.
None of these verses about obedience say you make yourself righteous by doing righteous things. That would be the very works gospel Paul warns against.

Yes it does!

Romans 6:16
obedience unto righteousness?

 

[theefaith]

This 'holy mother' stuff is just junk.
I can't stand to hear this crap anymore. It's sickening.

the new or heavenly Jerusalem is our mother the church
Truth makes you sick???

 

[BreadOfLife]

God did not carry me to the baptismal
He did not carry me to church to take the eucharist
he did not do my work for me.
It is not a completion of faith. It is a result of it.

WHen you trust your parents, and they ask you to do something, You do not think about it,. You do it, because you trust them.

If you do it just because your looking to get something from them, and not out of trust then your not doing it out of faith.

Then YOU are at odds with the Word of God, which explicitly states that Abtraham's faith was COMPETED by his works (James 2:22).

Your analofy about expecting something from my works of faith is nonsense.
God GAVE me those things to do (Eph. 2:10) as part OF my faith.

 

[theefaith]

We have the words of the Apostles in the Bible. We don't need your Catholic priesthood.

without the priesthood of Christ and His apostles there is no church no salvation
You cannot know what is and what is not scripture or truth without the church teaching and proposing it!

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

Dan 2:44 Isa 2:2 Micah 4:1 fulfilled in matt 5:14

matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

The nature of spiritual pride is rebellion!
Spiritual pride must protest, and must be right!

Christ and His one true church cannot be right or my self-righteous personal interpretation base on spiritual pride and private judgement must be wrong, and that is unacceptable!

Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42


Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth matters! It is revealed by God and therefore CANNOT be changed!
The church likewise is founded by Christ and therefore CANNOT be reformed!

Faith hope and charity! 1 cor 13:13
Three are eternal, and the greatest is charity!
“Faith alone”? Never faith, hope, & charity are inseparable!
If salvation was by faith alone then the greatest would be faith, but as even “all faith“ without charity avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

 

[BreadOfLife]

So how does completing faith by doing righteous work MAKE you righteous?

Bevcause obedience is ALSO an ingredient of Godly faith.

How many UNrighteous works do you think God created for you in advanbce to do?

We know works complete, or fill up, faith. What is being resisted is the false teaching that works make you righteous before God. If you could make yourself righteous by doing works then Christ died for nothing (Galatians 2:21). You can only be made righteous in God's sight by having your unrighteousness removed through forgiveness. That's what makes justification a free gift. But if justification is granted upon the satisfactory completion of righteous work then justification is no longer a reward of grace but a reward of debt owed to you.

And as James yeaches - what you THINK is faith is NOT - unless you have works to complete oit (James 2:14-26).

Works don't simply "fill up" fauth - they FINISH (complete) it.
There is NO such thing as faith without works - unless you're in a situation lije the Thief on the cross who, because of his circumstance, was WILLING but completely unable to perform them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So the word of God doesn't really mean what it says, then, right?
That's a red flag that you're dealing with a false doctrine, folks.

WRONG.

The Word of God means everything it says.
It just nevewr says that works are a "byproduct" of faith - but rather, an essential element OF it (James 2:14-26).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then YOU are at odds with the Word of God, which explicitly states that Abtraham's faith was COMPETED by his works (James 2:22).

Your analofy about expecting something from my works of faith is nonsense.
God GAVE me those things to do (Eph. 2:10) as part OF my faith.

You love to focus on James 2 yet totally ignore Romans 4.

Instead of trying to find resolution. You just accept the passage that appears to support you while ignoring the other.

God does not need you to prove your faith. He is not so weak he is unable to determine your faith is correct or not.

James is refering to testing your own faith and your faith shown to others. He also said they CLAIMED to have faith. He never said they had faith.

They fail the eph 2 standard, because in eph 2 faith is required. Not works. and they did not even have faith The had belief only even demons believe and tremble