The 'blessed virgin Mary'

[Taken]

How does a woman made by God become the Mother of God?

Mary was a woman born of flesh, right?

Adam became a living soul by the Spirit of God, after being made of the dust of the earth. So, He was not God in the flesh, nor the father of God begotten by God.

The second Adam was the One God become flesh and made of a woman begotten of God the Father.

There are people...(all Broadly calling themselves CHRISTIANS)
* Catholics, who have their own faith, their own doctrines.
* Protestants who keep a lot of Catholic teaching.
* Protestants who do not consider Catholic teaching...but rather lean strictly on Jesus’ teaching and the Apostles teaching.
* People who follow pick and choose, OT laws and NT teaching.
* People who follow along in Catholic teaching, Protestant teaching, but commit to neither, nor are committed to Jesus, Christ, God.

(A middle group)
People who believe in God, but not Jesus.
People who believe in Jesus, but not God.
People who believe in their Historic Hebrew, Jewish God teachings only.
People who believe in their Historic Hebrew, Jewish God & Christ Jesus.
People of Jewish descent, who hold no faith In God, or Jesus.

(Wandering outside of the scope of Christianity)
* People who follow Philosophers, Believe in “something”, but committed to “nothing”.
* People who follow Science, (convoluted)
* People who believe in other gods, prophets, etc.
* People who believe in people, statues, cosmos, imaginations, as their gods,
* People who flat out Reject God, Jesus, Christ.
* People who wholly Accept Satan as their god.

So, taking a brief run-down, on ALL the different BELIEFS, and allegiances OF all the different BELIEFS of People...
(And just a side note...in general conversations...remembering the Lord God Himself, has a specific plan for each of these diverse individuals...and Scripture itself, teaches, what shall apply to whom...and why all of Scripture IS true, but does not all apply the same to all people...like some people “like to imply”.)

Okay...so my question...
HOW MANY different responses of their “Understandings”....do you think you would get From asking each diverse individual....

What does.......”made from a woman MEAN” ?

And what do you, think....”made from a woman MEANS?”

 

[Taken]

YES, and a desire of the Holy Spirit in us is to encourage one another and to sharpen our swords.

So i want to stir up your mind and heart to find in Scripture where the first heresy was recorded.
Clue #1 - do not look for the word 'heresy/heretic' or any type of synonym.

follow your statement of 'long standing' and do not overlook the obvious and simplicity of God's word.
Clue #2 - you can use the understanding of 'eternal' to replace or work with 'long standing'.

I can not conclude and answer for your riddle of a first heresy committed or by whom.

“heresies”...is a more modern term (relatively speaking 2,000 years ago),
Yet, disobedience, and believing and then rejecting, occurred long before the Church Age.
(In context...Before the “Church Age”, Believing was believing IN God and His Word...(without His Word’s NAME, having being revealed)

“Long standing”... could expressly mean a defined timeline, or timeline in general.

Church Age - Beginning with Jesus, first teaching the chosen disciple, ie following disciples...the FIRST “heresy” appears to be “Judas”...
Defined time. Approx 3 years...long standing? Not really.
Disciples who became Disciples...long standing...approx 30AD -through to the Last Apostles death...approx 98AD. long standing? Sure.

After Jesus ascension...(abt 33 AD) Teaching of the Apostles...(Apostles teaching, with a few Jews Converting, Many Gentiles Converting....Apostles dying off...
Many Jews “falling under pressure, threats” begin ignoring Christian teaching, remain adhering to OT Jewish teaching, laws, rituals. Long standing?
Gentiles increase in hearing, accepting teaching of God and Christ Jesus, and Become prominent appointed Church “hierarchy”; teachers, preachers, deacons, etc.
Long standing...? “after” Jesus ascension...
Approx 65 years, to the last (Imprisoned John) Jewish Apostles death.
Gentiles primarily “overseeing” the Church.
Approx 12 years, After Johns Death...(about year 110AD)....
A Gentile Church “overseerer”....(via a letter) adopts the Greek derivative of UNIVERSAL, (ie Catholic), and “Catholicism” is established, by Gentiles, in collusion (orthodox, one concept agreement) among all “churches”, becomes a “long standing”, a Verbally Taught concept, to eager Ears of Gentiles.
....The “catholic” church established “long standing” agreement of UNIVERSAL...what One church teaches, they all would teach”...
...BUT...was/is all of their TEACHING...in line WITH Scripture...or wandering OFF to Philosophical Teachings, and the Ideas of a handful of men?

So...was the “first” heretic...a “Catholic”, who followed Catholic doctrine, then rejected the Catholic doctrine?
Or...the believers...then deniers, doubters Disciples, (ie Peter, Thomas)..before they became Apostles?
Or...Judas?
Or...OT People who believed, then rejected?

I’m sure you have a “specific” in mind, but I do not know who or when you are specifically thinking of.

 

[Taken]

Gods HOUSE IS a House of Prayer....
Gods HOUSE is never called a WOMB.
Do you go to Mary’s womb to pray? EEEK!

to love Mary is to love salvation and life!

lk 1:30 found our salvation
Lk 2:30 mother of our salvation[/QUOTE]

Oh good grief...A human loving a human...
Does not Define Salvation or the Receiving of Salvation!

 

[Mungo]

Awe Shucks - and here IAM is telling me the TRUTH so that i can be saved......and HE told me to tell you to believe His word's in Gospel of John.

What are we to do???

You could try and prove your claims from the gospel of John.

 

[Mungo]

How does a woman made by God become the Mother of God?

Mary was a woman born of flesh, right?

Adam became a living soul by the Spirit of God, after being made of the dust of the earth. So, He was not God in the flesh, nor the father of God begotten by God.

The second Adam was the One God become flesh and made of a woman, begotten of God the Father.

So immaculate conception must be one of two things: either that of the first Adam without sin, of that of the second Adam begotten of God, and never transgressed.

If 'Mary' is as the first Adam, then Mary is not the Mother of God, being made by God.

If 'Mary' is as the second Adam, then Mary is God become flesh giving birth to God in the flesh.

The only immaculate conceptions after Adam are those being born again.

Mary as Mother of God is worshipping Mary as God.

Only God can beget God in the flesh.

Mariology is paganism 102: Old Roman Vesta rebranded as Christian 'Mary'.

More lies.

 

[Taken]

@David in NJ

So, did I go completely off the rail for your riddle?

 

[David in NJ]

I can not conclude and answer for your riddle of a first heresy committed or by whom.

“heresies”...is a more modern term (relatively speaking 2,000 years ago),
Yet, disobedience, and believing and then rejecting, occurred long before the Church Age.
(In context...Before the “Church Age”, Believing was believing IN God and His Word...(without His Word’s NAME, having being revealed)

“Long standing”... could expressly mean a defined timeline, or timeline in general.

Church Age - Beginning with Jesus, first teaching the chosen disciple, ie following disciples...the FIRST “heresy” appears to be “Judas”...
Defined time. Approx 3 years...long standing? Not really.
Disciples who became Disciples...long standing...approx 30AD -through to the Last Apostles death...approx 98AD. long standing? Sure.

After Jesus ascension...(abt 33 AD) Teaching of the Apostles...(Apostles teaching, with a few Jews Converting, Many Gentiles Converting....Apostles dying off...
Many Jews “falling under pressure, threats” begin ignoring Christian teaching, remain adhering to OT Jewish teaching, laws, rituals. Long standing?
Gentiles increase in hearing, accepting teaching of God and Christ Jesus, and Become prominent appointed Church “hierarchy”; teachers, preachers, deacons, etc.
Long standing...? “after” Jesus ascension...
Approx 65 years, to the last (Imprisoned John) Jewish Apostles death.
Gentiles primarily “overseeing” the Church.
Approx 12 years, After Johns Death...(about year 110AD)....
A Gentile Church “overseerer”....(via a letter) adopts the Greek derivative of UNIVERSAL, (ie Catholic), and “Catholicism” is established, by Gentiles, in collusion (orthodox, one concept agreement) among all “churches”, becomes a “long standing”, a Verbally Taught concept, to eager Ears of Gentiles.
....The “catholic” church established “long standing” agreement of UNIVERSAL...what One church teaches, they all would teach”...
...BUT...was/is all of their TEACHING...in line WITH Scripture...or wandering OFF to Philosophical Teachings, and the Ideas of a handful of men?

So...was the “first” heretic...a “Catholic”, who followed Catholic doctrine, then rejected the Catholic doctrine?
Or...the believers...then deniers, doubters Disciples, (ie Peter, Thomas)..before they became Apostles?
Or...Judas?
Or...OT People who believed, then rejected?

I’m sure you have a “specific” in mind, but I do not know who or when you are specifically thinking of.

Good Morning Brother, we are alike in some ways as we both apply too much info in our search to solve the riddle.

You have vast storage base of knowledge, amen, but the answer is in the Scripture.

Forgive me if i did not state that position and search base.

i will narrow it down for you:
A.) Answer in Scripture and not in the many religions that sprung forth since
B.) think as the Lord instructed us = "unless you become like a little child"
C.) We are seeking the very first recorded heresy in Scripture
D.) CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

 

[Taken]

Good Morning Brother, we are alike in some ways as we both apply too much info in our search to solve the riddle.

You have vast storage base of knowledge, amen, but the answer is in the Scripture.

Forgive me if i did not state that position and search base.

i will narrow it down for you:
A.) Answer in Scripture and not in the many religions that sprung forth since
B.) think as the Lord instructed us = "unless you become like a little child"
C.) We are seeking the very first recorded heresy in Scripture
D.) CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

Mark 10
[13] And they (followers) brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his “disciples” rebuked those (followers) that brought them.

Laying the first heresy to deflect another away from Jesus’...the Disciples?

 

[David in NJ]

Mark 10
[13] And they (followers) brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his “disciples” rebuked those (followers) that brought them.

Laying the first heresy to deflect another away from Jesus’...the Disciples?

We are seeking the very first recorded heresy in Scripture = OT Scripture

CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

 

[Taken]

We are seeking the very first recorded heresy in Scripture = OT Scripture

CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

I thought your were directing to the Church Age.
The first in History, is Lucifer...ie name, description, estate changed.

 

[David in NJ]

I thought your were directing to the Church Age.
The first in History, is Lucifer...ie name, description, estate changed.

Ezekiel ch28 = the source of the rebellion

‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation. You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones. From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

NOT the answer but SUPER CLOSE to the answer

CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

 

[Taken]

Ezekiel ch28 = the source of the rebellion

‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation. You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones. From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

NOT the answer but SUPER CLOSE to the answer

CLUE: If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

Okay back for a few minutes.
Last guess. Tyrus the answer you are looking for?

 

[David in NJ]

Okay back for a few minutes.
Last guess. Tyrus the answer you are looking for?

OK here it is according to the Clues of:
A.) If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

B.) You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

A.) There were Four in the Garden = The LORD, Adam, Eve and the Serpent.
TWO = The Serpent 'spit'(hiss/cobra) and the woman did chew of that which was forbidden.

B.) You definitely know the answer = the Slippery Slope is SIN and the It not being too steep = just twist a few words of God - just a few was all that was needed = Not Too Steep.

Thus the very first heresy spoken on earth was the Lie of Satan to undermine the "Long Standing/Eternal" Truth, which is that God never lies and all that HE created was GOOD.

This satanic method of diversion from the Truth has never stopped and continues to grow = How do we know?

The Serpent in the Garden is now a Behemoth DRAGON and instead of a small lie, now a FLOOD of Lies spits forth from his mouth.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: a Huge Red Dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth.

And when the Dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. Then from the mouth of the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away in the torrent.
But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the Dragon’s mouth.
And the Dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

 

[Taken]

OK here it is according to the Clues of:
A.) If you look for more then four you have looked too far, all it takes is two to spit and chew.

B.) You know the answer, so do not look too far or too deep the slippery slope is not that steep.

A.) There were Four in the Garden = The LORD, Adam, Eve and the Serpent.
TWO = The Serpent 'spit'(hiss/cobra) and the woman did chew of that which was forbidden.

B.) You definitely know the answer = the Slippery Slope is SIN and the It not being too steep = just twist a few words of God - just a few was all that was needed = Not Too Steep.

Thus the very “first heresy spoken on earth” was the Lie of Satan to undermine the "Long Standing/Eternal" Truth, which is that God never lies and all that HE created was GOOD.

I wasn’t limiting it to spoken on earth, but understood, recorded in Scripture.
It was Lucifer IN Heaven, whose THOUGHT, to rise up Above God...got him booted DOWN to Earth...and once ON earth, as we were informed, made himself present in the Garden, (as a visible Serpent) and as we have been warned...
He is cunning, and seeks the weak, who is not yet having depth in the truth....which applied to the woman.
Today, even a babe might say, huh...a talking serpent...but apparently curiously did not phase the woman.
And as we are informed, WAS Lucifer, and IS Satan, The Devil....and successfully played his deceit on the woman.

 

[David in NJ]

I wasn’t limiting it to spoken on earth, but understood, recorded in Scripture.
It was Lucifer IN Heaven, whose THOUGHT, to rise up Above God...got him booted DOWN to Earth...and once ON earth, as we were informed, made himself present in the Garden, (as a visible Serpent) and as we have been warned...
He is cunning, and seeks the weak, who is not yet having depth in the truth....which applied to the woman.
Today, even a babe might say, huh...a talking serpent...but apparently curiously did not phase the woman.
And as we are informed, WAS Lucifer, and IS Satan, The Devil....and successfully played he deceit on the woman.

Now, let's go back to Lucifer before he came down to the Garden with sin already in him.

And you would agree that the Clue of "Two who spit and chew" could not be between Lucifer and God - amen.

 

[Taken]

Now, let's go back to Lucifer before he came down to the Garden with sin already in him.

And you would agree that the Clue of "Two who spit and chew" could not be between Lucifer and God - amen.

I don’t see a context between Lucifer and God...of spitting and chewing.
Spitting, I apply to God in all cases...toward angel or man.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t see a context between Lucifer and God...of spitting and chewing.
Spitting, I apply to God in all cases...toward angel or man.

EXACTLY - that is why the answer from Scripture could not pre-date the Garden.

Satan would lift himself up with pride BEFORE the Garden (Ezekiel ch28) but Got would never bite down.

Thus the answer for Four down to Two limited itself to the Garden between satan and man, in this case the woman who was first to sin on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

My mothers name was Mary and she was a devout RCC prisoner - does that make me equal with Jesus???

i guess not as i came out last....................lol

But then, on the Brighter Side of Eternal Life - the last shall be First - AMEN

As Christians we are equal with Jesus, being brethren.

As Mary' Son, that would make you Jesus.

Since she never had any other children than God the Son.

 

[David in NJ]

As Christians we are equal with Jesus, being brethren.

As Mary' Son, that would make you Jesus.

Since she never had any other children than God the Son.

Mary was married to Joseph. Their marriage was never divorced or annulled as God hates divorce.
Joseph and Mary fulfilled their marriage vows as husband and wife before God and had children together.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5

 

[theefaith]

As Christians we are equal with Jesus, being brethren.

As Mary' Son, that would make you Jesus.

Since she never had any other children than God the Son.

can’t have Jesus for brother without Mary as your mother


Mary is our spiritual mother

Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so.

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.