Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another.

[bbyrd009]

we are talking about adultery in this scripture (the act of someone having sexual relations, with someone who is married to someone else

marriage is used as an analogy elsewhere too, i guess

 

[McFearless]

marriage is used as an analogy elsewhere too, i guess

Marriage to Christ?

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,

Thank you for your well presented view and for your hunger for the Truth.

This subject is really complicated and I applaud you for taking the time to dum it down for me. I’ll need some time to digest your reasoning, but you have really done an effort to help me understand your perspective and line of thought.

Thank you.

Do you participate in the electoral process and how do you weigh the importance of the conflicting issues?

Yes I do participate.
The Issues?
I do not give much consideration to What the “so called” News Media presents AS “Their” issues.
I say “so called News Media”, Because ...
They all are basically panels of people (I do not know), paid big bucks to be handed a microphone and platform to spout “their personal opinions” to ad nausum 24-7.
First off...I Do Not favor “Career Poli-TIC-ians”
Personally I see them as long standing Blood sucking Leech’s.
Secondly...I have “studied” (and continue) the US Constitution and Statesmen (ie. Founders) Intent, And American History, And Principled and Corrupt standings and Acts Of men WHO have occupied the People’s House (the Whitehouse).
Thirdly...I vote for the Person WHO is a True Natural Born Citizen, WHOSE Intent Is to Justly and Foremost Represent All American Citizens.

I’m not an American but if we see it in an American context, I am pro life but I hate war and corruption.

I am pro life, yet also pro death.
Sounds weird, eh?
God is also pro Both. He gives life, requires life, Can give life Again, or not.
War? or Conflict?
Part of US bells ringing out of those sitting in the “District Of Corruption (ie. the “Hill”/ ie. “DC”) is pretending, changing the “meaning” of “a Conflict”, “a drug” problem INTO “a War”....is pseudo platform gab for an advantageous means to continuously transfer wealth out of the people’s pockets TO the pockets of Corrupt Sitting Reps....(literally, endless ridiculous PERKS!).

If I vote for the democrat party, am I then an accomplish their evil doings?

If I vote Republican Party am I then an accomplish to their evil doings?

Ya sort of have to do homework.
The Founders Established And Guaranteed, A Small Republic Federation Government To Oversee a FEW Conflicts (between The Several Sovereign States,) And Foreign Matters between the Whole of the Nation States And Foreign Nations.
Also each of the Several Sovereign States entered Statehood under the guarantee of a Republic Form Of Government.
And the sitting Reps, are the Servants.
Ever Notice “as yourself a foreigner”...
How the US Servants have crowned themselves world “Leaders of Democracy”? <—-
The fact is: The US is a Republic, and The Reps Are Servants Of the Citizens...
Not their daddy, dictator, babysitter, provider of necessities, healthcare, blah, blah, blah.
Inanutshell the more a poliTICion blabs on and on HOW they plan to Steal from one, to Dole Out to Another they become on my list of Do Not Consider.
The More a Rep speaks of Keeping the People’s Wealth IN their OWN pockets, the more they become on my list TO consider my vote for them.

I am pro Liberty. God gave every man ability to freely choose, and every man be accountable For “his” choices.

As far as the Fraudulent Mentally Compromised Squatter Sitting in the People’s House...I find that an Utterly Embarrassing “shout out to the World” OF propaganda that the Majority Of American Citizens Are “Proudly” Favorable OF Corruption. They are Not.

The Reps Have their closed, locked, guarded doors of “secret” round table meetings...
But also do the Majority Of Citizens Have Their “round table”. (Kitchen tables) Of meetings, that anyone can and do participate. No masks, no guards, no secrets, no fear. God First in all things.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Truth7t7]

Since there is a dispute regarding the meaning of the word homosexuality - why don’t we just refer to it as gay sex?
-I think that’s a more precise definition of the actual sin and problem and it leaves out the confusion between the attraction (sexuality) and the actual sinful act (gay sex).

@Truth7t7

Matt 5:27-28

KJV:
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Here it seems to me, that we are talking about adultery in this scripture (the act of someone having sexual relations, with someone who is married to someone else or someone who is married having sexual relations with other people than their spouse). Can you give me a reference on what you said here?


Someone who isn’t married, who is lusting for another person (of the opposite gender) that also isn’t married can ask for her hand in marriage and the actual lust, in this case, is actually not sin, right?

I have explained my position regarding homosexuality, Perhaps we can return to the topic

 

[bbyrd009]

Here it seems to me, that we are talking about adultery in this scripture

funny to me that we discuss this so much; Jews never do
sexual adultery, i mean
and i mean OT fathers were going into whores all the time? Not saying it was condoned, necessarily
but there were no actual whores in prophets gone a'whoring i dont think

 

[McFearless]

I have explained my position regarding homosexuality, Perhaps we can return to the topic

The topic of homosexuals, or the topic of what constitutes a marriage or the topic of political participation?
You changed the topic from participation to homosexuality and abortion, others mentioned government definition of marriage and we was discussing that too.
Which one of the subjects do you want to get back to?

You also didn’t answer my question in regards to the quote I referenced in that message.

 

[Taken]

You support and condone homosexuality as per my observation and opinion, you have openly stated that you do not oppose persons that have gay sex, it's that simple.

Jesus Is The Lord

There IS a Fine Line Of WHAT “Support” means.

I “Support” every individuals Freedom TO choose WHAT “THEY” elect TO Freely CHOOSE....AND “they” Reap the Positive Consequence OR Negative Consequence “For Their OWN individual Choices”.
Period...

There IS Also a manner of “Support” ...
Of Advocacy;
... “promoting” an others cause.”
... “agreeing” with an others cause”
... “financially” contributing to their cause.

* Personally, I DO NOT, advocate, agree, financially contribute, march along side, go observe rally’s, parades, organized by and participated by homosexuals...
* I do however Agree with Their Right to their Own Liberty To “Freely Make their Own choices”.

When ANY individuals personal Choices...
Conflict with my own...and that Conflict “is Invading” to my “personal Liberty”...
I exercise MY Liberty to “depart Away” from the invasion.

 

[Taken]

funny to me that we discuss this so much; Jews never do
sexual adultery, i mean
and i mean OT fathers were going into whores all the time? Not saying it was condoned, necessarily
but there were no actual whores in prophets gone a'whoring i dont think

The Laws were a prelude, to a bigger picture.

Men make agreements / contacts/ with “their word”... marriages, land deals, buy sell deals, debt borrowing lending Contracts...all the time....and all the time find they are Unable to Keep “their word”.
Call that failure...excuses, reasons, happenstance, bad luck, whatever...
Point is: men Are Not all knowing.
Men make promises, they intend to keep, some with no intention of keeping.

The prelude of Adultery, between a man and a woman IN WED LOCK, hangs on the Consequences “effected BY the man or the woman”...the losses or gains by either.

The prelude IS a learning for mankind of Relationships and the practicing of Relationships....leading UP to the Big Picture...Of mankind becoming Prepared in the knowledge and practice of Relationships ... TO comprehend HOW TO Form A Relationship WITH the Unseen, Lord God Almighty.
* Men Can ... make contracts/ vows/ promises / to other men...and break, bow out, renege...
* However a True “Heartful”, contract, vow, promise OF agreement to have a “Heartful Spiritual Relationship” With the Lord God Almighty...IS Permanent! Effected by the individuals “free willingness” that the Promise And Power of the Lord God Himself Shall Keep That Individual IN an Everlasting Relationship WITH the Lord God Almighty Himself.
* Scripture itself notifies individual men...To BE sure of ones Choice to Form a Vowed Relationship WITH the Lord God....Because There is no option of “adultery”, “divorce”, “abandonment”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Because There is no option of “adultery”, “divorce”, “abandonment”.

insert Yah’s Scriptural divorce decree here, gotta run!

 

[amigo de christo]

Thats right dear sister. Let the glorious LORD be praised.

 

[amigo de christo]

In love, I dont know what NAR is, and I'm not here to please Amigo

New Apostolic reformation. that is what is means . Now go and look up all who are a part of that , THEN RUN from them
and never look back . Deadly dangerous it is

 

[Truth7t7]

The topic of homosexuals, or the topic of what constitutes a marriage or the topic of political participation?
You changed the topic from participation to homosexuality and abortion, others mentioned government definition of marriage and we was discussing that too.
Which one of the subjects do you want to get back to?

You also didn’t answer my question in regards to the quote I referenced in that message.

The Admin Heart2Soul has requested that we return to the topic as seen in postings #465 & #468

I have shared my views with you, and they aren't changing anytime soon, I have no desire to further discuss homosexuality

"Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another."

 

[Truth7t7]

There IS a Fine Line Of WHAT “Support” means.

I “Support” every individuals Freedom TO choose WHAT “THEY” elect TO Freely CHOOSE....AND “they” Reap the Positive Consequence OR Negative Consequence “For Their OWN individual Choices”.
Period...

There IS Also a manner of “Support” ...
Of Advocacy;
... “promoting” an others cause.”
... “agreeing” with an others cause”
... “financially” contributing to their cause.

* Personally, I DO NOT, advocate, agree, financially contribute, march along side, go observe rally’s, parades, organized by and participated by homosexuals...
* I do however Agree with Their Right to their Own Liberty To “Freely Make their Own choices”.

When ANY individuals personal Choices...
Conflict with my own...and that Conflict “is Invading” to my “personal Liberty”...
I exercise MY Liberty to “depart Away” from the invasion.

The Admin Heart2Soul has requested that we return to the topic as seen in postings #465 & #468

I have shared my views, and they aren't changing anytime soon, I have no desire to further discuss homosexuality

"Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another."

 

[teamventure]

How can God be against playing soccer with women


Now it’s getting interesting.
Is it then to be in a sinful state to be tempted to sin - in any way?
Or do you have scripture that points out that this is a sinful state only for homosexuals?

If a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultery in his heart.

Lust, envy, pride, unforgiveness, hate, these things are listed in scripture as sinful and what they also have in common is they are inward conditions of the heart, not just an outward act, and homosexuality is listed with them.

 

[teamventure]

Someone who isn’t married, who is lusting for another person (of the opposite gender) that also isn’t married can ask for her hand in marriage and the actual lust, in this case, is actually not sin, right?

Wrong, until they are married it is a sin to have lust.

 

[McFearless]

If a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultery in his heart.

Lust, envy, pride, unforgiveness, hate, these things are listed in scripture as sinful and what they also have in common is they are inward conditions of the heart, not just an outward act, and homosexuality is listed with them.

Please find the biblical reference for that?
Matt 5: 27-28 is talking about a adultery. To commit adultery one of the two has to be married..

 

[teamventure]

Please find the biblical reference for that?
Matt 5: 27-28 is talking about a adultery. To commit adultery one of the two has to be married..

Then the word would be fornication. Problem solved.

 

[Taken]

The Admin Heart2Soul has requested that we return to the topic as seen in postings #465 & #468

I have shared my views, and they aren't changing anytime soon, I have no desire to further discuss homosexuality

"Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another."

No need to pretend you need to warn me about foolishness that Jesus is in an American created political party system!
Jesus clearly stands for what is RIGHT...
I personally do not believe, Cheating is RIGHT, and you can personally believe as you choose.

 

[teamventure]

Sorry folks, I posted about homosexuality before reading that we are to stay on the original topic.

 

[McFearless]

Then the word would be fornication. Problem solved.

You can’t just add to the Lords word, it doesn’t speak about fornication in that reference. It’s speaking about breaking a commitment between man and wife.