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The church has been a massive failure in not baptizing in Jesus name. They have omitted it to their demise.
That's just not true. Even if you think Matthew 28:19 isn't an original part of the scriptures, we've been following it:

"go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"
 

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That's just not true. Even if you think Matthew 28:19 isn't an original part of the scriptures, we've been following it:

"go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"
Yes, some have been following it. That doesn't make it any less the false doctrine that it is.

Acts 10,19,25, all say baptism is in the name of the Lord.
The father,son, holy spirit, aren't names.
 

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Yes, some have been following it. That doesn't make it any less the false doctrine that it is.

Acts 10,19,25, all say baptism is in the name of the Lord.
The father,son, holy spirit, aren't names.
'In his name', 'in the name of Jesus' and 'in the name of the Son' are all the same thing.
When your 'religion' is about performing exact ceremonies and speaking proper incantations you've missed it. Missed it by a mile. That's not what God is looking for.
 
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James is not mistaken. God is not mistaken. You are mistaken.
James is speaking to the unsaved in that verse. He's spreading the gospel.

Christians who imagine themselves still a dinner are entitled. They aren't saved so it is right their heart expose the nominal fault their soul identifies and their lips reveal.
And given the opportunity, which is daily life, they shall prove it.

While those who are reborn, indwelt, know the dinner they were was left behind in the living water that is Christ. And as they resurrected from baptism, washed clean by the blood.

This is a poor language, mine, and all printed versions as relate God's truth.

However, the words on paper or screen are like a roadmap that points inward and outside of time to eternal God. And his message that pulses like a heartbeat, inate in all creation is there. Always.

When we transcend that illusionary barrier we think separates we the created from our creator, that barrier invented by man who want us to believe our human being mess makes us removed from the power that gave birth to all that exists from itself, as a reflection of its power and presence, we know we are home. And always have been.


You insist you are a sinner.

Please don't presume to speak for other Christians, or Christ.
Or mar the gospel.

You're the sinner. As you insist.

As you say, Christians are not called sinners in Scripture, and they ought not to be known for sin. (1 Peter 4:15-16) And so Christians ought not be calling themselves sinners, for as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

Christians are not perfect, in that they have no power to sin, or to be double minded, or to sin ignorantly, but if we willfully sin, then the Lamb is no more our sacrifice. Willful sin is from the heart and is sin of the soul, being in full knowledge of the truth, and rejecting the grace to help us to overcome temptation: it is in the similitude of Adam's transgression (Rom 5):

The soul which sinneth, it shall die
, applies to all souls. God is not a respecter of persons, neither in His favor nor in His judgment.

It is obvious James was speaking of adulterers among the saints. And he called them sinners, not saints.

These are therefore adulterers never redeemed, being Christian in name only, or the redeemed returning to adultery, who need to renew repentance in their hearts.

If not, they are to be shunned and not kept company with (1 Cor 5:11), and if they do repent, then restored to the fellowship of the saints:

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Christians can err from following Jesus and return to sin, to become sinners again, in need of repentance to walk by faith once again.

Those who use James to say Christians are therefore still sinners 'in some part', are unwilling to believe the rest of James, so that they can continue to falsely call themselves Christians, imagining their soul is in not danger of death, like other real sinners.

This kind of vain imagination based upon a false teaching of grace given to sinful Christians, can help lead to reprobation, where God has gives up on the soul, because they go on to crucify Christ afresh in their hearts, and put Him to an open shame by riotous living without shame. (Rom 1)(Heb 5)

All the while they still call themselves Christians. It's the same condition of blindness and unbelief, as them that continue to call themselves the children of Israel, after having had the God of Israel openly crucified, without shame:

Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

There are them that are Israel and Christian in name only, and even as Israel was broken off, so can the Christian. (Rom 11:20-21)

Highmindedness
is thinking ourselves better or more forgiven than other sinners, though we do the same things. We would call ourselves 'Christian sinners', and not just regular unbelieving sinners. We are still 'under grace', as though we sin graciously.

It's a mockery to the Lamb of God, who will not be mocked (Gal 6), and will judge every soul according to their works, not according to our vain imagination about grace covering sin.

When we repent, out sins are covered by grace and forgotten by God, but if we sin, then our sin is open to all without grace, and forgiveness is once again needed.
 
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Per Acts 2:38, remission of sins is obtained when a person is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Not a second before this can remission be obtained.
Effectual baptism is from heaven, by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is very clear about this in Matthew 21:23-27, Mark 11:27-33, and Luke 20:1-8. All these passages are the same event. Here's the Luke passage:

"One day, as Jesus was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders came up and said to him, 'Tell us by what authority you do these things, or who it is that gave you this authority.' He answered them, 'I also will ask you a question. Now tell me, was the baptism of John from heaven or from man?' And they discussed it with one another, saying, 'If we say, "From heaven," he will say, "Why did you not believe him?" But if we say, "From man," all the people will stone us to death, for they are convinced that John was a prophet.' So they answered that they did not know where it came from. And Jesus said to them, 'Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.'”

Even John ~ John the Baptist, you know ~ said this in Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, and John 1:26-27, which, again, document the same event. Again from Luke:

"John answered them all, saying, 'I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.'"

Water baptism is a sacrament and is a sign, something that points to something beyond itself. It’s a sign of the new covenant. It’s a sign of our participation in Jesus, of being partakers in His death and resurrection, which are at the heart of the Gospel. It’s also a sign of our cleansing from sin and guilt by the work of Jesus and the washing of regeneration. What we do outwardly with water, the Spirit does inwardly with His grace. So it’s a sign of our cleansing. It’s also a sign of our sanctification. It’s a sign of our baptism of the Holy Spirit. It’s a sign of our being set apart from the world and given the holy task to fulfill the commission that Christ gives to His church.

So, per Acts 2:38, we should publicly acknowledge, by water baptism, God's work in us, and ~ as Peter is talking there to all the men of Israel and by extension to their entire households ~ call in faith on God's promise to work in our children. Jesus commanded us to do this.

Grace and peace to all.
 

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Yes, some have been following it. That doesn't make it any less the false doctrine that it is.

Acts 10,19,25, all say baptism is in the name of the Lord.
The father,son, holy spirit, aren't names.
Scripture speaks many times of ministering in the name of the Lord, both in the Old and the New Testament, which is in His authority: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Scripture doesn't speak of Philip saying anything while baptizing the eunuch. The eunuch confessed Jesus as Lord, and Stephen did not forbid him water.

While it is natural and normal for the baptizer to say something, especially the name of Jesus, it's not necessary.

Scripture doesn't even have Peter tell them to be baptized saying the name of Jesus Christ, but only to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
And about three thousand of them gladly receiving the word were baptized. Nothing is said about how, but only that they were. They could have all gone down enmasse proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ along the way, and all went in the water at the same time.

I don't know if it is even necessarily true that Peter and the other 120 with him baptized each of the three thousand one at a time. So long as they were there in the water with them, as with Philip and the Ethiopian, they would thus 'baptize' them, when they all went under.

Baptism doesn't save, and no words are necessary to be said in order to be baptized 'correctly'.

In fact, a minister baptizing many people one at a time, and each time repeating the same words, could well be called vain repetition. It's as though saying certain words are necessary to make the baptism 'legit', when it is the faith and obedience that God honors.

I would say the 'best' way to be baptized, is to let the new believer openly confess Jesus as the Lord and then let him dunk himself. That is my personal opinion, which is as 'legit' as any other. Unless there is Scripture proving otherwise?
 

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2 questions of baptism in water:
1. Is it full immersion?

2. Does the one baptizing have to have hands personally on the one being baptized.

2 false baptisms:
1. Baptizing babies is an act of man without any honor with God, because it is accepted of God only when done with a believer being obedient to the faith.

2. Baptizing for the dead does not teach baptizing for a person that is already dead. It is Paul asking why we are baptized for the dead man, Jesus, if there is no resurrection of the dead, as some were falsely teaching.

Also, I have heard people say that these disputes in Scripture are vain argument and only serve to divide believers.

It is true that such disputes can become vain and useless, when there is opposing disagreement over the same Scripture. It becomes a boxing match as Paul said, vainly beating the air.

But disputing Scripture for the truth of God is exactly what the apostles and those mighty in the Scriptures did, sometimes on a daily basis.

Legitimate dispute in Scripture is training for the believer, to learn to become strong in the Word. (1 John 2:14)

All scholarship is based upon reasonable dispute on certain topics, which is why there are so many books and papers and debate forums on everything under the sun.

The Bible is no different. And with all the commentaries and books and papers written on Scripture, maybe it will come to pass that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
 
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What believers this side of the Book of Acts are not baptized in the name of Jesus???

If anything gets neglected in this matter of water baptism it's the matter of the Holy Spirit, not the name of Jesus. And I mean the Holy Spirit in regard to power and infilling, not salvation itself. That is where I would agree that the church has failed in regard to water baptism. But, certainly, the church has not failed in regard to being obedient to Christ to be water baptized. What church doesn't baptize it's members??? I mean, maybe there a couple of rouge denominations who don't, but virtually all denom's baptize their members! We have not failed in this matter of obeying Christ to be water baptized.
Nearly all denominations vehemently refuse to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ.
 

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That's just not true. Even if you think Matthew 28:19 isn't an original part of the scriptures, we've been following it:

"go and make disciplesd of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"
What is the name of the son?
 

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Effectual baptism is from heaven, by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is very clear about this in Matthew 21:23-27, Mark 11:27-33, and Luke 20:1-8. All these passages are the same event. Here's the Luke passage:

"One day, as Jesus was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders came up and said to him, 'Tell us by what authority you do these things, or who it is that gave you this authority.' He answered them, 'I also will ask you a question. Now tell me, was the baptism of John from heaven or from man?' And they discussed it with one another, saying, 'If we say, "From heaven," he will say, "Why did you not believe him?" But if we say, "From man," all the people will stone us to death, for they are convinced that John was a prophet.' So they answered that they did not know where it came from. And Jesus said to them, 'Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.'”

Even John ~ John the Baptist, you know ~ said this in Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, and John 1:26-27, which, again, document the same event. Again from Luke:

"John answered them all, saying, 'I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.'"

Water baptism is a sacrament and is a sign, something that points to something beyond itself. It’s a sign of the new covenant. It’s a sign of our participation in Jesus, of being partakers in His death and resurrection, which are at the heart of the Gospel. It’s also a sign of our cleansing from sin and guilt by the work of Jesus and the washing of regeneration. What we do outwardly with water, the Spirit does inwardly with His grace. So it’s a sign of our cleansing. It’s also a sign of our sanctification. It’s a sign of our baptism of the Holy Spirit. It’s a sign of our being set apart from the world and given the holy task to fulfill the commission that Christ gives to His church.

So, per Acts 2:38, we should publicly acknowledge, by water baptism, God's work in us, and ~ as Peter is talking there to all the men of Israel and by extension to their entire households ~ call in faith on God's promise to work in our children. Jesus commanded us to do this.

Grace and peace to all.
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No remission before water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, not even a smidgin.
 

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What is the name of the son?

What is in the name of the Son?
Jesus

This is why Peter baptized in the name of Jesus per Matt 28/Acts 2.

He knew the name of the son was not son.

The RCC and the protestants are not as smart as Peter and cannot figure this out.
 

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I believe what is missing here is the point that NT Scripture does not call God's people sinners, though His people still have power to sin contrary to their divine nature. I.e. show a Scripture of the NT, where Christians are called sinners, such as Christian sinners, or my beloved sinners...
In this very post, Robert Derrick, you quoted me pointing out James 4:8. James is writing to Christians; in James 1:1, he addresses this personal letter to the twelve tribes in the Dispersion ~ who, even today, we Christians are a part of. He refers to us many times ~ starting with James 1:2, as brothers, even his brothers, and even, in James 1:16, 1:19, and 2:5, his beloved brothers. And in James 4:8, he calls them (and himself) sinners:

"What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? ... Scripture says, 'He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us'? But he gives more grace... Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded."

Scripture calls Christians saints. The elect. The people of God.
Absolutely. We will have victory in Christ over sin and death once and for all at His glorious return. And we can live that way now, in light of that absolute certainly.

The only ones called sinners are the unbelieving. Ungodly sinners, etc...
All sin is ungodly. And we all sin. Therefore, in this life, we are all sinners. But thanks be to God is doing His good work in us, making us holy, like Jesus, by His Sprit, and will bring that work to completion at the day of Christ.

In Scripture, there is power in the name. What we call ourselves influences our mind and behavior. Calling ourselves sinners only reinforces the attitude of sinning. The modern penchant for assuring everyone that we are still 'sinners', is a kind of self-castigating effort not to appear 'proud' or holier-than-thou.
Well, what we acknowledge about ourselves does influence our behaviors, certainly, but I would go the opposite way with that. The power is in the Name of Christ. Acknowledging ourselves, as Christians, to be sinners before God and therefore unworthy of His great salvation is an act of humility, and a call of humble reliance on the Lord to cause us to walk in His statutes and live as becomes followers of Christ. So it causes us ~ motivates us ~ to repent and believe even more, and to have joy in the knowledge that God, by His Spirit, is working in us to make it so.

What you say about "a kind of self-castigating effort not to appear 'proud' or holier-than-thou"... I mean, that in itself is pride, which is sin, which I feel sure you agree with.

Neither Jesus nor the apostles would ever call a Christian believer, a sinner. We know this, because they never do in Scripture.
Paul called himself a "wretched man" because of his sin (Romans 7) and the "chief of sinners" (1 Timothy 1). Was Paul being prideful in saying this? Certainly not; quite the opposite.

Christians are saints in Christ Jesus, who are not called sinners of the world, and if they do sin, it is against the divine nature of their souls, and yet have an advocate with the Father for forgiveness of sins with confession from the heart.
I agree with this, but this divine nature is not our entire nature (as I have been saying to Pythagorean12). The "old man" is still with us. If this were not so, we would not sin at all, as we would be completely of God wholly inclined against it. Thanks be to God, we will be, one great day, but right now we are not.

Grace and peace to you!
 

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Scripture speaks many times of ministering in the name of the Lord, both in the Old and the New Testament, which is in His authority: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Scripture doesn't speak of Philip saying anything while baptizing the eunuch. The eunuch confessed Jesus as Lord, and Stephen did not forbid him water.

While it is natural and normal for the baptizer to say something, especially the name of Jesus, it's not necessary.

Scripture doesn't even have Peter tell them to be baptized saying the name of Jesus Christ, but only to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
And about three thousand of them gladly receiving the word were baptized. Nothing is said about how, but only that they were. They could have all gone down enmasse proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ along the way, and all went in the water at the same time.

I don't know if it is even necessarily true that Peter and the other 120 with him baptized each of the three thousand one at a time. So long as they were there in the water with them, as with Philip and the Ethiopian, they would thus 'baptize' them, when they all went under.

Baptism doesn't save, and no words are necessary to be said in order to be baptized 'correctly'.

In fact, a minister baptizing many people one at a time, and each time repeating the same words, could well be called vain repetition. It's as though saying certain words are necessary to make the baptism 'legit', when it is the faith and obedience that God honors.

I would say the 'best' way to be baptized, is to let the new believer openly confess Jesus as the Lord and then let him dunk himself. That is my personal opinion, which is as 'legit' as any other. Unless there is Scripture proving otherwise?
I would say when they proclaimed the name of Jesus Christ they fulfilled the passage with regard to baptizing in the name.
 

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As you say, Christians are not called sinners in Scripture, and they ought not to be known for sin. (1 Peter 4:15-16) And so Christians ought not be calling themselves sinners, for as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

Christians are not perfect, in that they have no power to sin, or to be double minded, or to sin ignorantly, but if we willfully sin, then the Lamb is no more our sacrifice. Willful sin is from the heart and is sin of the soul, being in full knowledge of the truth, and rejecting the grace to help us to overcome temptation: it is in the similitude of Adam's transgression (Rom 5):

The soul which sinneth, it shall die
, applies to all souls. God is not a respecter of persons, neither in His favor nor in His judgment.

It is obvious James was speaking of adulterers among the saints. And he called them sinners, not saints.

These are therefore adulterers never redeemed, being Christian in name only, or the redeemed returning to adultery, who need to renew repentance in their hearts.

If not, they are to be shunned and not kept company with (1 Cor 5:11), and if they do repent, then restored to the fellowship of the saints:

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Christians can err from following Jesus and return to sin, to become sinners again, in need of repentance to walk by faith once again.

Those who use James to say Christians are therefore still sinners 'in some part', are unwilling to believe the rest of James, so that they can continue to falsely call themselves Christians, imagining their soul is in not danger of death, like other real sinners.

This kind of vain imagination based upon a false teaching of grace given to sinful Christians, can help lead to reprobation, where God has gives up on the soul, because they go on to crucify Christ afresh in their hearts, and put Him to an open shame by riotous living without shame. (Rom 1)(Heb 5)

All the while they still call themselves Christians. It's the same condition of blindness and unbelief, as them that continue to call themselves the children of Israel, after having had the God of Israel openly crucified, without shame:

Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

There are them that are Israel and Christian in name only, and even as Israel was broken off, so can the Christian. (Rom 11:20-21)

Highmindedness
is thinking ourselves better or more forgiven than other sinners, though we do the same things. We would call ourselves 'Christian sinners', and not just regular unbelieving sinners. We are still 'under grace', as though we sin graciously.

It's a mockery to the Lamb of God, who will not be mocked (Gal 6), and will judge every soul according to their works, not according to our vain imagination about grace covering sin.

When we repent, out sins are covered by grace and forgotten by God, but if we sin, then our sin is open to all without grace, and forgiveness is once again needed.
Once we are sealed it is irrevocable.
To think a Christian that willfully sins is no longer sealed, in God's grace I think is error. Which is why there remains no more sacrifice for that sin if the first all encompassing one is thought to not be enough.

It is. God remembers our sins no more.Ever.
 

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In this very post, Robert Derrick, you quoted me pointing out James 4:8. James is writing to Christians; in James 1:1, he addresses this personal letter to the twelve tribes in the Dispersion ~ who, even today, we Christians are a part of. He refers to us many times ~ starting with James 1:2, as brothers, even his brothers, and even, in James 1:16, 1:19, and 2:5, his beloved brothers. And in James 4:8, he calls them (and himself) sinners:

"What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? ... Scripture says, 'He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us'? But he gives more grace... Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded."


Absolutely. We will have victory in Christ over sin and death once and for all at His glorious return. And we can live that way now, in light of that absolute certainly.


All sin is ungodly. And we all sin. Therefore, in this life, we are all sinners. But thanks be to God is doing His good work in us, making us holy, like Jesus, by His Sprit, and will bring that work to completion at the day of Christ.


Well, what we acknowledge about ourselves does influence our behaviors, certainly, but I would go the opposite way with that. The power is in the Name of Christ. Acknowledging ourselves, as Christians, to be sinners before God and therefore unworthy of His great salvation is an act of humility, and a call of humble reliance on the Lord to cause us to walk in His statutes and live as becomes followers of Christ. So it causes us ~ motivates us ~ to repent and believe even more, and to have joy in the knowledge that God, by His Spirit, is working in us to make it so.

What you say about "a kind of self-castigating effort not to appear 'proud' or holier-than-thou"... I mean, that in itself is pride, which is sin, which I feel sure you agree with.


Paul called himself a "wretched man" because of his sin (Romans 7) and the "chief of sinners" (1 Timothy 1). Was Paul being prideful in saying this? Certainly not; quite the opposite.


I agree with this, but this divine nature is not our entire nature (as I have been saying to Pythagorean12). The "old man" is still with us. If this were not so, we would not sin at all, as we would be completely of God wholly inclined against it. Thanks be to God, we will be, one great day, but right now we are not.

Grace and peace to you!
Those James called double minded were sinners for it.
Because they didn't accept Jesus as savior , and messiah.
 

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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No remission before water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, not even a smidgin.
Think of this outward water baptism as an act of thanks to God and faith in Him for what He has done ~ baptized by fire with the Holy Spirit ~ rather than something we do to somehow deserve this baptism by fire with the Holy Spirit. And for what He will do in bringing this work that He Himself began in us to completion at the day of Christ. This is exactly what Peter is calling on the men of Israel to do. And this promise is for them (us) and for their (our) children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself. as Peter says in the very next verse (39).

Grace and peace to you.
 

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This is why Peter baptized in the name of Jesus per Matt 28/Acts 2.

He knew the name of the son was not son.

The RCC and the protestants are not as smart as Peter and cannot figure this out.
I guess Jesus himself, and Luke, were not as smart as Peter either, then:

"46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations" Luke 24:46-47
 

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I guess Jesus himself, and Luke, were not as smart as Peter either, then:

"46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations" Luke 24:46-47
And Jesus and Peter were hypocrites, because neither of them were baptized according to 2:38.

Neither were the rest of the apostles, who were all baptized with that of John, even as Jesus was.

It was always peculiar to me about the Scripture that noted Jesus did no baptizing with water. And now we know why: because it was not His baptism, but rather that of John He was joining in to draw disciples to Himself, so that John could decrease, and Jesus could increase. (John 3:30)

The only baptism Jesus ever did and does is that of the Holy Ghost and with fire.

Peter not himself being baptism by 2:38, which he preached is the conclusion of the whole matter.

But, people who get a law stuck in the craw to be saved by, will likely never let go. It's called falling from grace, because once Scripture is wrested in one verse, they must begin to wrest all Scriptures to keep falsely teaching the first.

You know a false doctrine by the most foolish things said to keep teaching it, such as, receiving the Spirit by hearing of faith (Gal 3) is not salvation. I.e. the unsaved can receive the Spirit of God, and the carnal mind can receive the things of the Spirit.