Is the 1260 day period mentioned in Revelation 11 the same as the 1260 day period mentioned in Revelation 12?
Two 1260 day periods ?
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1stCenturyLady
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Yes. Rev. 12 starts over from a different angle. There is another 42 months in Rev. 13, so it is two separate 3 1/2 year periods. But Revelation 11 is one of the two, either the first half or the second half. I would have to see if it mentions it elsewhere in scripture to know which.
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Yes the time periods of 1260 days Revelation 11:3 and 42 months in Revelation 13:5 are parallel and the exact same time the two Witnesses and the beast are given power
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1stCenturyLady
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How do you know that it is the second half of the 7 years, and not the first?'. I'd like to see as I haven't looked elsewhere in scripture to know which.
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I agree that all the references to the 3 1/2 years in Revelation and Daniel, refer to the second half of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns.
The first half is not mentioned, except in Daniel 9:27, where it commences with a peace agreement.
That agreement holds for the first half; for 3 1/2 years. It is broken when the 'beast' conquers the holy people and sits in the Temple. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
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Revelation 12’s 1260 days I believe to be the time from the day of Pentecost until the time of the start of the great persecution of the church which started the day Stephen was killed
Revelation 11’s 1260 days I believe to be the time of Jesus ministry on the earth which the two witnesses the law and the prophets are symbolic for as they mirror Jesus life as the law and the prophets all pointed to Jesus
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Yes, the latter... "a time, and times, and half a time" of Revelation 12:14. That is equal to 1260 days.
Notice the events going on around that period, the symbolic "dragon" (devil) casts waters 'as a flood' after the woman, and the earth helps the woman, and the dragon goes to make war with the remnant of her seed that keep God's commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ. It's about this...
Dan 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
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Dan 8:23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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Rev 13:7-8
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
Rev 17:6
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
KJV
The 'remnant' of the seed of the symbolic 'woman' of Rev.12 is about Christ's very elect that are to be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Christ against the beast (see Matthew 10:18; Mark 13:9; Luke 21:13; Revelation 6:9; and Revelation 12:11 that go with that Revelation 12:17 Testimony topic).
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There is a future 3.5 year tribulation seen in scripture, a 7 year tribulation is found no place
The 3.5 year tribulation starts at the revealing of the Antichrist in Jerusalem 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, at this time the two witnesses seen in Revelation 11:3-6 are given power for 1260 days
Yes the 42 months of (The Beast) Revelation 13:5 is the same time frame
The two witnesses prophesy for 3.5 years, during which no one can harm them. The beast is given power for 3.5 years, and promptly kills the 2 witnesses. The beast's power for 3.5 years ends when Jesus returns.
The conclusions from these facts are that the two witnesses prophesy for 3.5 years until the beast kills them. The beast has authority for 3.5 years, after the two witnesses are killed, and before Jesus returns.
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The conclusions from these facts are that the two witnesses prophesy for 3.5 years until the beast kills them. The beast has authority for 3.5 years, after the two witnesses are killed, and before Jesus returns.
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Yes, they are the same. And that no one should fantasize and convert them into years (rather than days) we find this period also described as 42 months (Rev 13) or time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time or the dividing of time (6 months). So what we have is 3 1/2 years, which is exactly the first half of Daniel's 70th week (7 years). [Note: the prophetic month consisted of 30 days].
(the keyword or phrase is "blind and dumb", especially when dealing with revelation)
(God used Lazarus and 3 Days, to identify with the faithful, and God said that was the covenant with Abraham .................. THEN ................ God used Jesus and 3 Days, to identify, rather to, confict the unfaithful, and all men, their trial of faith)
(The people convict of sin, the only saw the crucifixion, they didn't see Jesus he was not in the tomb..................but god used lazarus to show that Jesus was really inside the tomb for the faithful)
Two Separate 1260 measurements, one from the Body of Jesus, and one from the Damable Heresy/Abomination of Desolation
(First of all, I believe legal evidences are possible, Jesus himself put his finger in the sand and measured prophecy or try to make an association)
Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning 1997 to Twin Towers Burning 2001, (3 to 4 years)
Solstice Precessional Alignment 1980/1998/2012/2016 + 1260 Days (3 to 4 years) = Coronavirus 2019
(Prophecy and the numeral figures, were not designed specifically for earthly measurements, the association can be made, but it is not typically an exact day cycle numbering) God has technically already finished "1260" counts, there is a controversy about how much work god is going to do, not much at all (you can use this as a seven year period, not as accurately also)
(God used Lazarus and 3 Days, to identify with the faithful, and God said that was the covenant with Abraham .................. THEN ................ God used Jesus and 3 Days, to identify, rather to, confict the unfaithful, and all men, their trial of faith)
(The people convict of sin, the only saw the crucifixion, they didn't see Jesus he was not in the tomb..................but god used lazarus to show that Jesus was really inside the tomb for the faithful)
Two Separate 1260 measurements, one from the Body of Jesus, and one from the Damable Heresy/Abomination of Desolation
(First of all, I believe legal evidences are possible, Jesus himself put his finger in the sand and measured prophecy or try to make an association)
Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning 1997 to Twin Towers Burning 2001, (3 to 4 years)
Solstice Precessional Alignment 1980/1998/2012/2016 + 1260 Days (3 to 4 years) = Coronavirus 2019
(Prophecy and the numeral figures, were not designed specifically for earthly measurements, the association can be made, but it is not typically an exact day cycle numbering) God has technically already finished "1260" counts, there is a controversy about how much work god is going to do, not much at all (you can use this as a seven year period, not as accurately also)
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Sheer nonsense.
This kind of 'conspiracy theory' speculation, has no place in a serious Bible Prophecy forum.
Davy
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It is not... about the first half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (7 years). It is the LATTER half of the "one week". The Pre-trib Rapture theory you hold to has distorted your view on that.
1stCenturyLady
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The 7 year tribulation is OBVIOUS.
plus @marks and @Enoch111
The Great Tribulation is like the paradigms of the Old Testament, all 7 years
Greece - Antiochus Epiphanes IV 67 BC to 60 BC, first Jewish revolt, pig defiled the altar in 64 BC in the middle and probably was caused the death of Antiochus.
Romans - Nero/Titus 66 AD to 73 AD, with destruction of the temple in 70 AD in the middle.
Great Tribulation - Revelation 12:14 (3.5 years); Revelation 13:5 (3.5 years) Possibly 2022 to 2029 with the fulfillment of Rev. 8 asteroid 4/13/29. If that is true then Antichrist will be revealed next year and Christians will be persecuted world-wide, and Jews will come to their Messiah and all Israel shall be saved. As for the 2 witnesses, it doesn't confirm which half of the GT they will appear, but I would assume the latter 42 months of Rev. 13 seeing as by then the Jews are saved also.
Revelation 12 (first half) (time, times, and half a time = 3.5 years) Antichrist persecutes Christians while national Jews are protected as they hear the truth and become Christians.
13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 13 (second half of the GT (key word is "continue" for forty-two months = 3.5 years) That totals 7 years Now Antichrist is attacking all Christians, both new Jewish Christians and pre-trib Christians.
Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1stCenturyLady
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Daniel 8, 2,300 literal days is 67 BC to 60 BC. Temple defiled in 64 BC.
Daniel 9:27 is 66 AD to 73 AD. Keraz, it is not end times, but is a paradigm of end times. 70 AD is "the midst of the week."
Note: in both Jewish revolts prophesied to Daniel, the temple is defiled in the middle of the 7 year period.
The third 7 year period is the GT. The first two are paradigms of the final 7 years. Rev. 12 and 13 time, times and half a time (3.5 years) and 42 months (3.5 years). I agree that the two witnesses 1260 days refers to the second half of the GT.
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Correct and excellent reasoning. How rare you are! :)
And no doubt, countless numbers on this forum will ignore your concrete proof. Amazing how the Lord keeps things hidden from some.
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This is interesting. You are correct, along with Marks, that the 2 time periods are not the same. But your thinking on this is interesting. I have not seen words to this effect before. I have wondered over the decades if there was something to the fact that Jesus' earthly ministry lasted for 3½ years and what that might correlate with.
I do believe you are onto something with this.
I thank you for posting this. 'Gives me some new angles to meditate on, along with your own insight on it.
Yes, the 2 time periods are different, and Rev 12 occurs after Rev 11. There are other ways, too, to come to the same conclusion.
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1stCenturyLady
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If you read Revelation 11, 12 and 13 you will see that the beast has authority to kill for 3.5 years, and then to CONTINUE for 3.5 years. That equals 7 years. So seeing as the two witnesses prophesy for 3.5 years, that could also be the first 3.5 years when all Israel is saved, and then the two witnesses are killed. I really can't find proof either way, if they are prophesying during the first half of the GT, or the second half. I thought it must be the second half, but now I'm thinking the first half.
Revelation 11:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
Zechariah 4:3 and 14
3 Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.”
14 So he said, “These are the two anointed (with fresh oil) ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.”
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Your very welcome my view is different than most but I believe backed by the scriptures
1stCenturyLady
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The problem with this is trying to push a sqare peg in a round hole. No where does scripture give a time reference to when Stephen was killed. It is purely made up conjecture. And Daniel 9:27 is NOT about Jesus. He has already been cut off. THEN the city and sanctuary is destroyed, and we know that to be 70 AD, so the following verse is not going backwards no matter how hard you push. I do know that your view is the same as Seventh-day Adventists, but just as wrong. What is not being addressed is the fact that the second Jewish revolt was from 66 AD to 73 AD with 70 AD in the middle of the week when the Romans destroyed "the city and the sanctuary." Can't get any clearer than history.
Seeing as this was the second Jewish revolt, the astute are aware that the Great Tribulation will also be 7 years long, just as was the first from 67 BC to 60 BC, and second 66 AD to 73 AD. And all three are two halves of 3.5 years each, just as Rev. 12 (time, times and half a time = 3.5 years; and Rev. 13 42 months = 3.5 years). Rev. 11 1260 days which is 3.5 years is equal to one of the halves of the Great Tribulation, probably the first when all the Jews are also protected, and the Antichrist makes war with "the rest of her offspring" namely pre-trib. Christians. There was no pre-trib. rapture. Tribulation is a time of testing, not wrath. The wrath comes after the 7 year GT.
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. 70 AD
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
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