What Is Preterism?

[GEN2REV]

The context of all flesh was about the city and the temple which is the topic of the start of the the Olivit discourse and just like Jesus said it did happen within that generation it was the ending of the old covenant age

Jesus was clearly referring to the generation who would see the signs of the beginning of the Great Tribulation. That they would see the end of the world as well.

God has had different elect for different purposes

Oh, Lord.

Whatever sounds like it solves the problem, right?

Romans Ch 1:8
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world

Now, Marty ... does this mean age or world because I gotta keep my balance here. I'm so wobbly by all of the changing words and definitions and the sleight of hand and redirect, etc. If you're using this to mean world, I might have to give you this verse as the only one that backs up your claim - which doesn't make for much of a case in your favor, but ... all the same. At the same time, I don't buy that these particular people Paul was addressing were from, or had ever been, all over the entire earth, from all nations.

Ch10:17-18
,17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”

See, this verse doesn't support your claim because this is a reference to Psalm 19. This isn't saying that all nations had received the Word of God by 70 A.D. via the Apostles.

"Their line is gone out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world. In them
hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, ... "
Psalm 19:4

This Psalm speaks of all of the natural world professing, exhibiting, the Truth of God.

Colossians Ch 1:6
6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.

Again, are we talking world or age here?
If you want to go with world, this is still speaking of an ongoing process. This is not scriptural evidence that Paul is claiming that all nations had been given the gospel by 70 A.D.

Ch 1:23
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant

Again, this is a reference to Psalm 19, not a claim by Paul that the preached gospel had reached all nations by 70 A.D.

Acts chapter 2:5
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

There were God-fearing Jews all the way back to the Exodus. This is not evidence of all nations having been presented with the gospel of Jesus Christ by 70 A.D.

 

[Truth7t7]

Full preterism is the claim that the end times ended, but nobody noticed.

Big Smiles!

That's Exactly What Preterist Are Peddling

 

[GEN2REV]

@Abaxvahl
@BARNEY BRIGHT
@Marty fox

What do Preterists believe the future DOES hold?

Does scripture have any purpose for us if every prophetic concept is in the past?

Are we now in the Millennium?

How does the future work for Preterists?

 

[Curtis]

@Abaxvahl
@BARNEY BRIGHT
@Marty fox

What do Preterists believe the future DOES hold?

Does scripture have any purpose for us if every prophetic concept is in the past?

Are we now in the Millennium?

How does the future work for Preterists?

My understanding of this is that some preterists claim we’ve been in the millennium for 2000 years, which is nonsense, since millennium means one thousand, and you can’t be in a 1000 year reign of Christ for 2000 years.

 

[GEN2REV]

My understanding of this is that some preterists claim we’ve been in the millennium for 2000 years, which is nonsense, since millennium means one thousand, and you can’t be in a 1000 year reign of Christ for 2000 years.

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[GEN2REV]

@Curtis

If Preterism were true, would it not render the Bible to be nothing more than a glorified history book?

With no unfulfilled prophecies, where is the power of God in it?

Where is the need for faith at all?

Clearly, this is exactly the goal of such a doctrine. To completely dismantle all of the supernatural significance of God's Word.

 

[Abaxvahl]

@Abaxvahl
@BARNEY BRIGHT
@Marty fox

What do Preterists believe the future DOES hold?

Does scripture have any purpose for us if every prophetic concept is in the past?

Are we now in the Millennium?

How does the future work for Preterists?

Every prophetic concept is not in the past. I am in the midst of discerning how much is in the past and how much is in the future, so I will divide this post between possible (Pos1-???) and definite (Def1-???) things that are in the future:

Pos1: Antichrist with a Tribulation for the Church to go through.
Pos2: A manifested millennium either before or after Pos1.

Def1: The General Resurrection of all the dead.
Def2: The Final Judgment (the end of Matthew 25 speaks of this).
Def3: The Life of the World to Come (New Heavens and Earth, recapitulation of all things, eternity).

The possible things require more study and especially intense and detailed reading of the Prophets. The Def1-3 is certain to be in the future though and has plainly not occurred or else the Church would not incessantly pray for it. We have the best things ahead of us, and if Pos1 is true, also the worst things.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

@Abaxvahl
@BARNEY BRIGHT
@Marty fox

What do Preterists believe the future DOES hold?

Does scripture have any purpose for us if every prophetic concept is in the past?

Are we now in the Millennium?

How does the future work for Preterists?

The time people are talking about in 70CE of what happened to Jerusalem and the temple was a initial fulfillment. There will be a greater fulfillment globally in the future. We are in the last days now, so far in the future, that we are in the days, and of the time of the mark of the beast which has been going on since 1919. It's not what everyone thinks it is, a tattoo, microchip, or vaccine, these are distractions. Even today a person can be repentant and turn around and do righteousness today. Those who are destroyed because they took the mark are those who refuse to believe the truth and repent and turn to doing righteousness.

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus was clearly referring to the generation who would see the signs of the beginning of the Great Tribulation. That they would see the end of the world as well.
Oh, Lord.

Whatever sounds like it solves the problem, right?
Now, Marty ... does this mean age or world because I gotta keep my balance here. I'm so wobbly by all of the changing words and definitions and the sleight of hand and redirect, etc. If you're using this to mean world, I might have to give you this verse as the only one that backs up your claim - which doesn't make for much of a case in your favor, but ... all the same. At the same time, I don't buy that these particular people Paul was addressing were from, or had ever been, all over the entire earth, from all nations.

See, this verse doesn't support your claim because this is a reference to Psalm 19. This isn't saying that all nations had received the Word of God by 70 A.D. via the Apostles.

"Their line is gone out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world. In them
hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, ... "
Psalm 19:4

This Psalm speaks of all of the natural world professing, exhibiting, the Truth of God.

Again, are we talking world or age here?
If you want to go with world, this is still speaking of an ongoing process. This is not scriptural evidence that Paul is claiming that all nations had been given the gospel by 70 A.D.
Again, this is a reference to Psalm 19, not a claim by Paul that the preached gospel had reached all nations by 70 A.D.
There were God-fearing Jews all the way back to the Exodus. This is not evidence of all nations having been presented with the gospel of Jesus Christ by 70 A.D.

I find it quite profound that you do the exact same thing that you claim preterist do.

So one biblical verse backs my claim and that’s not enough? By the way I am not a preterist but a partial preterist.

Here's a question for you what did Jesus and the Pharisees mean in the verses below?

John 18:20 20"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.

John 12:19 (RSV) The Pharisees then said to one another, "You see that you can do nothing; look, the world has gone after him."

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The point isn't if the whole world was preached to or not its that Paul and Luke used the same word "world" as Jesus and the Pharisees did thus they meant the same thing

 

[Davy]

The confusion on this thread with men's doctrines just proves that a simple Bible study the way God said to do it, line upon line, chapter by chapter, will always make men's seminary doctrines look silly. Men's doctrines are like a goat tied to a tether pole. They only allow one to reach as far as the line tied to the pole allows. The majority of brethren don't study for themselves, but are content to just be those tethered goats. Otherwise there would be no outlet for men's organizational doctrines that disagree with God's Word.

 

[GEN2REV]

The confusion on this thread with men's doctrines just proves that a simple Bible study the way God said to do it, line upon line, chapter by chapter, will always make men's seminary doctrines look silly. Men's doctrines are like a goat tied to a tether pole. They only allow one to reach as far as the line tied to the pole allows. The majority of brethren don't study for themselves, but are content to just be those tethered goats. Otherwise there would be no outlet for men's organizational doctrines that disagree with God's Word.

Adrift in a sea of Tares.

Rolling hills of tethered goats as far as the eye can see.