What Is Preterism?

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You are making one huge mistake, Abax, that is not at all uncommon for men (humans) to make.

The Bible was not written by fallible men, struggling to find the best words to convey their message, to those who lived among them at the time of their writing.

The Bible was written by Almighty God through those He chose based on their complete mental, spiritual and physical dedication to HIM and HIS cause. God wrote the Bible TO those who would come much later to inform His beloved of things that were critical for them to understand about history and all things to come. And God is not bound by time or language barriers. If God chose the word world, even in another language, by God, He meant world.

Your complex explanation of the issues with language, from the perspective of men living at that time, are admirable, but woefully inaccurate.

Until you, and those who constantly strive to explain away the Truth and accuracy of scripture, understand these Facts, you will never get a firm grasp on God or His Ways.

You are wrong and Preterism is a lie.

I am fully aware of the Holy Spirit being a true author of Scripture. Now show me His interpretation. I agree He meant world, the word has at least seven definitions. Show me which one He meant.

Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 10th MW definition?: "the sphere or scene of one's life and action" as in "you're in your own world"?
Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 14th?: "a celestial body (such as a planet)." I love sci-fi! Maybe He meant the Martian world considering this, the Gospel hasn't been preached there yet!
Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 13th? Such as "animal world." Maybe the Gospel needs to get to the deep sea to be completed. There are many parts of the ocean we have not explored.

I love the truth and accuracy of Scripture, I love inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of the Holy Spirit in Scripture, God, the truest of authors. May He be praised! Now show me what He meant. He did mean world. World means world, amen. World means world, world means world. Which definition?
 

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I am fully aware of the Holy Spirit being a true author of Scripture. Now show me His interpretation. I agree He meant world, the word has at least seven definitions. Show me which one He meant.

Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 10th MW definition?: "the sphere or scene of one's life and action" as in "you're in your own world"?
Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 14th?: "a celestial body (such as a planet)." I love sci-fi! Maybe He meant the Martian world considering this, the Gospel hasn't been preached there yet!
Maybe the Holy Spirit meant the 13th? Such as "animal world." Maybe the Gospel needs to get to the deep sea to be completed. There are many parts of the ocean we have not explored.

I love the truth and accuracy of Scripture, I love inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of the Holy Spirit in Scripture, God, the truest of authors. May He be praised! Now show me what He meant. He did mean world. World means world, amen. World means world, world means world. Which definition?
You're still not getting it.

It appears, from some of your other posts, that you may be a Bible student; meaning in a Seminary somewhere now or previously. That will be a problem for you if so. Even the most passionately faith-filled Christians come away from those places with a watered-down faith, if even still intact. Maybe you're not, who knows.

The texts and books about the Bible that you are bowing down to as being infallible, in place of God's Word, are all written by men. NONE of them are Spirit Breathed. You are making idols of them when you read scripture then go directly to those sources to tell you what God means. The Bibles always defines, and translates, itself.

In effect, you, and all Preterists, are saying "It doesn't really mean what it says." - creating questioning and doubt in faithful believers. Somebody in scripture is big on doing just that. You might recognize this verse.

"Did God really say, ... "
Genesis 3:1

Those with accolades and degrees, who all men speak well of, are nothing in the sight of God. The books, and man-made definitions, you rely on are but dust and rags to Him and to all those who worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
Luke 6:26

Throw all those books in the trash and read the Bible cover to cover without them. You will come away with a much different, and much more accurate, understanding of God's Word.
 
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You're still not getting it.

It appears, from some of your other posts, that you may be a Bible student; meaning in a Seminary somewhere now or previously. That will be a problem for you if so. Even the most passionately faith-filled Christians come away from those places with a watered-down faith, if even still intact. Maybe you're not, who knows.

The texts and books about the Bible that you are bowing down to as being infallible, in place of God's Word, are all written by men. NONE of them are Spirit Breathed. You are making idols of them when you read scripture then go directly to those sources to tell you what God means. The Bibles always defines, and translates, itself.

In effect, you, and all Preterists, are saying "It doesn't really mean what it says." - creating questioning and doubt in faithful believers. Somebody in scripture is big on doing just that. You might recognize this verse.

"Did God really say, ... "
Genesis 3:1

Those with accolades and degrees, who all men speak well of, are nothing in the sight of God. The books, and man-made definitions, you rely on are but dust and rags to Him and to all those who worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
Luke 6:26

Throw all those books in the trash and read the Bible cover to cover without them. You will come away with a much different, and much more accurate, understanding of God's Word.

I am not bowing down to any books, if not clear: I am asking you to interpret the Bible with the Bible to me, in exhaustive detail. You claim this is possible, I'd like to do it too (I do in fact do it but just rollin' with it). Show me the definition of the word "world" from the Bible itself, and for that matter, every other word in Scripture. You cited Genesis, so let's go back to the beginning.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

10 words in the KJV (and some say 10 is the number of completion in the Bible, so it is fitting for the beginning), what verse in Scripture defines "in" or "the" or "beginning" or "God" or "created" or "heaven" or "and" or "earth." And in whatever verse you cite, say you cite Isaiah 42:5 for a definition of God, who God is, it says in part:

"God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein."

Firstly, it says "God" so this verse doesn't define "God" in Genesis 1, it just repeats. But then you would also need to show a Scriptural definition of "Lord" and "he" and "that" and "stretched" and "them" and "out" and "spread" and "forth" and "which" and "cometh" and "of" and "giveth" and "breath" and "unto" and "people" and "upon" and "it" and "spirit" and "walk" and "therein." Any words repeated do not help define said word, just as much as if I said for example:

"Tyranid" means "Tyranid." The definition of "Tyranid" is "Tyranid." Now if you do not know what that is, how does repeating the word establish a definition, that is, help you know what it is? It does not, but perhaps that is too beyond Scripture for you. (Definition of Tyranid by the way.)

So, throwing out all books, from the beginning, show me how to find every definition of Scripture in Scripture, for you said that it defines itself. And there are no language barriers of course because God is all-powerful, so using only the KJV, no books about Scripture, throwing away all of that trash, what is the Scriptural definition of "in"?

And side-note, I am not a student except informally, I simply study a lot. I consider myself God's student, for I prayed to Him and asked Him for Wisdom and for Him to teach me Himself, because mankind is unstable but the Lord never changes and gives Wisdom to those who ask.
 
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And side-note, I am not a student except informally, I simply study a lot. I consider myself God's student, for I prayed to Him and asked Him for Wisdom and for Him to teach me Himself, because mankind is unstable but the Lord never changes and gives Wisdom to those who ask.
Then He hasn't answered your prayer yet if you believe all of Matthew 24 teaches about an event that already happened in 70 A.D.

Sorry to say.

Jesus speaks in Matthew 28:19-20 saying, "Go ... teach all nations, ... Teaching them to observe all things ... I have commanded you: ... I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Now, reveal your lack of understanding of scripture by claiming, once again, that God was only with His beloved until the Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70. Tell us that world there means age, and that God is no longer with His beloved.

Tell us that He was only speaking to those disciples at that moment in time and that the Bible was not written to all mankind.

I rest my case.
 
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Then He hasn't answered your prayer yet if you believe all of Matthew 24 teaches about an event that already happened in 70 A.D.

Sorry to say.

Jesus speaks in Matthew 28:19-20 saying, "Go ... teach all nations, ... Teaching them to observe all things ... I have commanded you: ... I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Now, reveal your lack of understanding of scripture by claiming, once again, that God was only with His beloved until the Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70. Tell us that world there means age, and that God is no longer with His beloved.

Tell us that He was only speaking to those disciples at that moment in time and that the Bible was not written to all mankind.

I rest my case.

I am aware of this verse and I use it to refute people about "heos" claims (the word used here translated as "unto" or "until," people use it for heretical things elsewhere). The short version of research is this: the word "heos" or "until" in the Scriptures does not mean that the thing said to happen "until" ceased to happen after that point. This is certain in both Testaments even both languages, I will bring forth a couple of examples, letting Scripture interpret Scripture and revealing understanding:

Deuteronomy 34: "Then Moses, the servant of Yahweh, died there in the land of Moab according to the command of Yahweh. And he buried him in the valley in the land of Moab opposite Beth Peor. But until this day no one knows his burial site." This does not mean that after "this day" (that is the day in which this was written) people found the burial site, so "until" is not a stopping point. This applies in the Hebrew OT and the Greek OT.

Psalm 122 (123 in Hebrew): "Our eyes are directed to the Lord our God, until he have mercy upon us." Again, when God has mercy on us this does not mean we cease directing our eyes towards Him, and He does in fact have mercy on us even though "His mercies are renewed every morning," unless one says that the past isn't real or something else. So "until" again is not a stopping point implying that at the "until" it ceases, but it can carry beyond.

Therefore if the Lord is with them until end of the "aionos" in Matthew 28:20 it does not by that fact, due to the usage of "heos," imply that He ceased to be with them after that point. Indeed the Bible is to all mankind, that is it's character as Public Revelation, it binds on all of us, but do you mean to imply that in the historical sense of Scripture something can not be definitely for a person even if in another sense it can be for all? If you do then even more reductio ad absurdums are coming forth and I will bring a multitude of examples from Scripture beginning in Genesis probably...

Also I notice that you seem to be skipping over my points and not offering a demonstration, while I am able and willing to demonstrate why I believe what I believe each time.
 
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Amazing, new member with like 2 post, and your jumping right into eschatology in preterism "full speed ahead", Smiles!

One of the greatest errors and deception seen in Preterism, is denial of the literal second coming seen below in Matthew 24:30, creating a false platform for 70AD fulfillment in Matthew chapter 24


One thing I understand is, the literal second coming of Jesus Christ, and human eyes on earth watching, is seen in the scripture below

Preterist remove the second coming seen, through symbolic allegory (Judgement On Jerusalem) because it conflicts with 70AD fulfillment, because Jesus Christ didnt literallyreturn in 70AD

"The Preterist Motto", if it dosent fit 70AD fulfillment, remove it through symbolic allegory

Matthew24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

I believe the second presence of Jesus Christ will be an invisible presence. People seem to think that John 14:19; John 16:10, 16-22 to be insignificant. Jesus says in those scriptures, that the world will behold him no more, but his Apostles and disciples would. Jesus even used a pregnant woman who is about to give birth who is in painful sorrow because she is in labor pains but then when she gives birth she's so happy she forgets the painful sorrow. That's what it's was like for the apostles when Jesus was put to death they were in painful sorrow because Jesus was dead, but the Jews especially the pharisees and Sadducees we're happy and joyful. But then Jesus was resurrected and the Apostles and disciples were so happy they had literally saw Jesus alive so the unbelieving Jews couldn't take there joy away. You will find nowhere in the scriptures that unbelievers literally saw Jesus. The lie that the Jews believe is that Jesus body was stolen by the apostles. There were no unbelievers that disputed that because there were no unbelievers who actually literally saw Jesus. So those who say that the world will literally see Jesus are in error too.
 

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... You will find nowhere in the scriptures that unbelievers literally saw Jesus. ... So those who say that the world will literally see Jesus are in error too.
Those who struggle and strive to deny scripture don't deserve to see Him. That is for certain. But you can rest assured they will. And there will be hell to pay for their transgressions against the Almighty God who destroys body and soul in the fires of hell.

"...every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. ..."
Revelation 1:7

This verse doesn't just mean those who pierced Him physically, it refers to all those who pierced His Truth, His Word and everything that He stands for by their words and their evil, sinful deeds.

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."
Hebrews 10:31

Those who do not fear God, will have a mighty rude awakening one day. And all those who serve Him and worship Him in spirit and in Truth will be present at that time to see it.
 
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"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (stories/translations with no Truth in them)."
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Though it isn't new, Preterism is a modern trendy translation of the Bible for all those Christian-Hobbyists who do not, and cannot, take God and His Word to heart.

Preterism denies the Bible as "it is written" and declares "it is written, BUT it really means ..."!

Jesus Himself admonished the Sadducees and Pharisees for not taking scripture literally, i.e. just as "it is written."

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. ... have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, ... when the multitude heard this, they were asonished ..."
Matthew 22:29,31,33

The meaning of scripture is defined by the Author, not the reader. God is the Author. Not man. He does not use words that have alternate meanings in order to cause confusion, or to give the world's masses of naysayers fodder with which to use against Him, His message and His intended audience.
1 Corinthians 14:33

Scripture is not of private interpretation. It does not come by the will, or pride, of accomplished men, but by holy, humble men of God moved by the Holy Spirit. The very nature of the movement of the Holy Spirit is clear and direct; using specific words that have no complex meaning, or alternate definitions.
2 Peter 1:20

The cases made by Preterists absolutely demand that those who would adhere be trained in order to understand them; often utilizing obscure words and language that is not at all common. The dynamics of these types of translations, and doctrines, do not coincide with God and His Ways in the least. The true intentions of these types of 'professed' Christians is solely to impress man .... certainly not God.
 
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Those who struggle and strive to deny scripture don't deserve to see Him. That is for certain. But you can rest assured they will. And there will be hell to pay for their transgressions against the Almighty God who destroys body and soul in the fires of hell.

"...every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. ..."
Revelation 1:7

This verse doesn't just mean those who pierced Him physically, it refers to all those who pierced His Truth, His Word and everything that He stands for by their words and their evil, sinful deeds.

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."
Hebrews 10:31

Those who do not fear God, will have a mighty rude awakening one day. And all those who serve Him and worship Him in spirit and in Truth will be present at that time to see it.

So what you're saying is these eyes at Revelation 1:7 are symbolic eyes right? I honestly don't believe that roman soldier who literally and physically pierced Jesus side, is still alive today and will literally see Jesus with his literal eyes. That's the only person who literally or physically pierced Jesus, so obviously this scripture at Revelation is talking about symbolic eyes not literal eyes. When you say something concerning the eyes in Revelation 1:7 like, "it refers to all those who pierced His Truth, His Word and everything that He stands for by their words and their evil, sinful deeds." Then you're saying these eyes are symbolic eyes, which represent all those who pierced his truth, his word and everything he stands for. So this scripture isn't talking about literal eyes, and this goes right along with the scriptural evidence at John 14:19 that after Jesus was resurrected no unbelievers saw Jesus, showing that what Jesus said was true and that the world would not see him no more, his Apostles and disciples would, but not the world of unbelievers. At acts 1:11 two angels said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was received up from you into the sky will come thus, in the same manner, as you beheld him going into the sky." These angels though didn't mean that Jesus would return in the same body as some religionists teach. These angels said that Jesus would return, not in the same form, but "in the same manner." So in what manner did Jesus depart? Did the whole world which consisted of both believers and unbelievers, millions of people, see Jesus leave into the sky? No, it was maybe 600 people, who were all believers, that saw Jesus go into the sky. All of this agrees with the scripture at John 14:19 that the world would see him no more. His Apostles and disciples did, but not the world of unbelievers
 

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So what you're saying is these eyes at Revelation 1:7 are symbolic eyes right? I honestly don't believe that roman soldier who literally and physically pierced Jesus side, is still alive today and will literally see Jesus with his literal eyes. That's the only person who literally or physically pierced Jesus, so obviously this scripture at Revelation is talking about symbolic eyes not literal eyes. When you say something concerning the eyes in Revelation 1:7 like, "it refers to all those who pierced His Truth, His Word and everything that He stands for by their words and their evil, sinful deeds." Then you're saying these eyes are symbolic eyes, which represent all those who pierced his truth, his word and everything he stands for. So this scripture isn't talking about literal eyes, and this goes right along with the scriptural evidence at John 14:19 that after Jesus was resurrected no unbelievers saw Jesus, showing that what Jesus said was true and that the world would not see him no more, his Apostles and disciples would, but not the world of unbelievers. At acts 1:11 two angels said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was received up from you into the sky will come thus, in the same manner, as you beheld him going into the sky." These angels though didn't mean that Jesus would return in the same body as some religionists teach. These angels said that Jesus would return, not in the same form, but "in the same manner." So in what manner did Jesus depart? Did the whole world which consisted of both believers and unbelievers, millions of people, see Jesus leave into the sky? No, it was maybe 600 people, who were all believers, that saw Jesus go into the sky. All of this agrees with the scripture at John 14:19 that the world would see him no more. His Apostles and disciples did, but not the world of unbelievers
"The Preterist Motto"

If It Dosen't Fit 70AD Fulfillment, Remove It Through Symbolic Allegory
 
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1- "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (stories/translations with no Truth in them)."
2 Timothy 4:3-4

2 - Though it isn't new, Preterism is a modern trendy translation of the Bible for all those Christian-Hobbyists who do not, and cannot, take God and His Word to heart.

3 - Preterism denies the Bible as "it is written" and declares "it is written, BUT it really means ..."!

4 - Jesus Himself admonished the Sadducees and Pharisees for not taking scripture literally, i.e. just as "it is written."

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. ... have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, ... when the multitude heard this, they were asonished ..."
Matthew 22:29,31,33

5 - The meaning of scripture is defined by the Author, not the reader. God is the Author. Not man. He does not use words that have alternate meanings in order to cause confusion, or to give the world's masses of naysayers fodder with which to use against Him, His message and His intended audience.

6 - Scripture is not of private interpretation. It does not come by the will, or pride, of accomplished men, but by holy, humble men of God moved by the Holy Spirit. The very nature of the movement of the Holy Spirit is clear and direct; using specific words that have no complex meaning, or alternate definitions.
2 Peter 1:20

7 - The cases made by Preterists absolutely demand that those who would adhere be trained in order to understand them; often utilizing obscure words and language that is not at all common. The dynamics of these types of translations, and doctrines, do not coincide with God and His Ways in the least. The true intentions of these types of 'professed' Christians is solely to impress man .... certainly not God.

Organized post for clarity.

1 - Addition to Scripture, no proof.
2 - Assertion with no proof.
3 - Assertion with no proof.
4 - Assertion with no proof.
5 - Falsehoods mixed with partial truths mixed with assertions that have no proof.
6 - Same as 5.
7 - More assertions with no proof.

You can try and claim spirituality, but the truth is this: you're an ignorant person incapable of refuting my points. Your arguments have been proven false and you resort to saying things with no proof, claiming to know the intentions of others, and straight up lying on God. Have some self-respect as a human being who bears the Image of God and don't prostitute yourself to irrationality, admit when you have been proven wrong, or try and prove yourself right. God bless.
 
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Yeah he is but you don't care what he says. What he says isn't important to you.
Stop the personal attacks, you dont know my mind or heart, or what is or isnt important to me
 

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Go ahead and post all 4 verses I guess then. Let's take 'em apart one at a time.
" ... except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: ..."
Matthew 24:22

There was much more flesh in the world in 70 A.D. than just in Jerusalem.

And if you're seriously implying that the elect, known by God since before the Creation of the world, were simply those God chose to survive the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., I don't even know where to start with how ridiculous that is.

Preterists expect others to blindly accept assumptions they make because they say so. I believe what I believe because God says so. Period.

This is yet another example of minimizing God's Words, and highly important events, in scripture in an attempt to minimize the effects thereof. It doesn't work on those who put in the time to study The Word and have a healthy level of discernment. Only on those who are seeking an excuse to disobey and live like the world.

Believing hugely important events, that were warned about by God, are in our distant past simply allows lazy people to go about living how they want to live without any fear of judgment to come. I'm guessing all preterists are OSAS warriors as well.

The context of all flesh was about the city and the temple which is the topic of the start of the the Olivit discourse and just like Jesus said it did happen within that generation it was the ending of the old covenant age

God has had different elect for different purposes

Romans Ch 1:8
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world


Ch10:17-18
,17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”


Colossians Ch 1:6
6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.

Ch 1:23
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant
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Luke also recorded this

Acts chapter 2:5
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.


Their was a reason that Jews from every nation under heaven heard Peters first sermon on the day of Pentecost when over 3000 were saved
 

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The context of all flesh was about the city and the temple which is the topic of the start of the the Olivit discourse and just like Jesus said it did happen within that generation it was the ending of the old covenant age

God has had different elect for different purposes

Romans Ch 1:8
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world


Ch10:17-18
,17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”


Colossians Ch 1:6
6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.

Ch 1:23
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant
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Luke also recorded this

Acts chapter 2:5
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

Their was a reason that Jews from every nation under heaven heard Peters first sermon on the day of Pentecost when over 3000 were saved
Marty you teach that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below, but this represents a judgement upon Jerusalem

Marty there is no place in the Holy Scripture showing a more clear picture of the literal second coming, and you remove this through symbolic allegory?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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Anything to believe a lie right? What's written down in the Bible isn't important right?
Did I miss something?

Which one of you is going by 'what's written down in the Bible?'

What's written down in the Bible is "end of the world."
What's written down in the Bible is "no flesh will be saved."
What's written down in the Bible is "I will be with you until the end of the world" and "the Son of Man is coming" and "the Last Day", etc.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus returned at the time of the destruction of the Temple. Nowhere.

Nowhere does it say that Jesus was referring to the destruction of the Temple in all that was spoken in Matthew 24 - besides the brief statement in the 2nd verse alone.

I'd say what's written down in the Bible is supremely important. So much so that it should stand for itself without being heavily translated and twisted and altered with totally different words and definitions, etc.

It says what it says, plain and simple.

You need alternative texts and books and training and an altogether different perspective to even imagine it saying what Preterists convince themselves that it says.
 
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