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You do know that King James was homosexual. A Bible with his name.
And I am talking about translations that use photocopies of the oldest texts available.
Even back in the day that the King James Version was translated there were hundreds of doctors. They did the best they could, but there were things they did not know. So they believed things that were not true. That era impacted the King James Version, whether it was predetermined beliefs shading the translation or inaccurate sources.

Now I think the King James sounds beautiful....as well it should because it was written during the era of classical poetry and plays.
The language of the King James....not really old English in style and certainly not modern English. For that reason people have a hard time understanding what it is trying to say. Not a Bible for beginners....

Liking the King James....Those that had the Geneva Bible in hand when the King James was published, did not like it. Thought it twisted the scriptures....
Some people think that God indorsed the King James Bible.
Some people think it is a sin to read anything else.
Some treat it as a God itself.

As it is now, there are books with photo copies of the available Christian texts. These books show the oldest texts that have been discovered. Texts that were not available at the time of the King James translations.

I love the King James Version, just not for in-depth study. For reading outload at cerimonies....it is my favorite.
I collect these Bibles and some are quite valuable.
It appears you are unaware of new bible translations and the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 

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You do know that King James was homosexual. A Bible with his name.
And I am talking about translations that use photocopies of the oldest texts available.
Even back in the day that the King James Version was translated there were hundreds of doctors. They did the best they could, but there were things they did not know. So they believed things that were not true. That era impacted the King James Version, whether it was predetermined beliefs shading the translation or inaccurate sources.

Now I think the King James sounds beautiful....as well it should because it was written during the era of classical poetry and plays.
The language of the King James....not really old English in style and certainly not modern English. For that reason people have a hard time understanding what it is trying to say. Not a Bible for beginners....

Liking the King James....Those that had the Geneva Bible in hand when the King James was published, did not like it. Thought it twisted the scriptures....
Some people think that God indorsed the King James Bible.
Some people think it is a sin to read anything else.
Some treat it as a God itself.

As it is now, there are books with photo copies of the available Christian texts. These books show the oldest texts that have been discovered. Texts that were not available at the time of the King James translations.

I love the King James Version, just not for in-depth study. For reading outload at cerimonies....it is my favorite.
I collect these Bibles and some are quite valuable.
You do know that "60 confessing Christian's and scholarly men worked on the KJB 1611", it's been 410 years and going strong
INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)

For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.
 
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Many people teach that Jesus is God, fact is he either is or isn't. So my question is, if Jesus is God then did he lie in these verses?:
Mr 10:40But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared

Mr 13:32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

I do not believe Jesus lied, and likely you do not either, so how does one who believes Jesus is God, explain this?

Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him

John 14:11
"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."

Jesus Christ is Lord

Luke 2:11
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

The Lord is the Spirit (referring to the Holy Spirit)

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

The Lord is God.

Matthew 22:37-38
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'."

"The Lord God"

Luke 1:32-33
"He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. And He will reign over Israel forever; His Kingdom will never end!”
 

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It is impossible for Michael the archangel to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:8-9 Yet in the same way these dreamers defile their bodies, reject authority, and slander glorious beings.
But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!

Michael did not rebuke the Devil/Satan - Jesus, our LORD did,
just as Jude writes:
"They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."

our ONLY Master and Lord....JESUS CHRIST

All other Scripture you seek to connect our only LORD as Michael the created archangel is flawed(not the Scripture) but your interpretation of what it says.

This is why we are commanded to "Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Prov 30:5-6

i am NOT saying you are a liar - NO i did not say that - i am point to this Eternal Commandment for our Benefit.

Here it is again in Deut 4:1-2 Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it,

Here it is again in Revelation 22:18-19 - "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Men, today lack the Fear of God when approaching His Word (not saying you) and we think it is just a matter of one's personal choice in what they see from it - this leads to error - such as the Watchtower group and others.

Scripture cannot lie - the Word was in the beginning with God and was God - John 1:1
Scripture cannot lie - All things (angels) were made through Him(the Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Scripture cannot lie - "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness" - Genesis

Michael the archangel is not part of the "Let US" in Genesis - God made this very clear throughout Scripture as the Word never included him as the Creator - not once.
The pre incarnate Jesus was not known as Jesus. What did the angels call Him? What was His name?
 

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Did you know that there is a list of well known errors in the KJV......not all were caused by the KJV, just perpetuated by it.

The Comma Johanneum as it is referred to, originated as a common literary explanation or formula for the Trinity. It first appeared in the 3rd century in some of the literature which debated the oneness concepts of the Trinity. Even though this formula would become very popular, at the time, very few Church Fathers agreed with it. But the scriptures were modified to further back the faulty doctrine of the Trinity as one God. Every attempt has been made to remove the truth that there is Yahweh, Father and God Almighty and Yeshua the Son of God Almighty, Savior and God, and the mysterious God that is only known as the Holy Spirit.

At some point this faulty formulation of the Trinity made its way into the margin notes of some of the Bibles that were written after the 5th century. Unlike other examples of popular margin notes that made their way into the scriptures, the Comma Johanneum found its way into the verses of the Bible by way of another avenue. After the 6th century, the Byzantines begain to recopy and retranslate the available Greek texts of the New Testament. At this point some of these copies became known as the “Textus Receptus.” It was in some of these that the formula was added and then later included in some of the Bibles. Most notably the King James Version, which relied heavily on these texts. As it happened the Comma Johanneum Addition was much more than a retranslation, or an addition, but rather a replacement of the original scriptures with a popular theological statement. They kept the verse numbers in sequence so that it would not be as noticeable.

The scriptures involved are 1st John 5:7&8. The original scriptures read as follows... (Quoting 6 through 8, so it can be read in context)

“6. This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. 7. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8. And it is the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

This was replaced with what came to be called the Comma Johanneum Addition. Verses 7 and 8 are the added lines.

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7: For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8: And there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

As one can see there is no chance that these are simply a different translation, but rather a removal of the scriptures and an insertion of a theological statement for an intended purpose. Of course and again, there is no question that the Trinity exists, just that the Bible does not support the commonly explained formula or description of it.

1. “There are three that bear witness in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy spirit, and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)
Interestingly enough this is the only passage in the Bible that clearly articulates the Trinity. While there are other passages that may hint at the Trinity this particular passage distilled hundreds of years of theology by the early church into a Bible verse added into the text. This is literally one of the more fascinating manuscript stories as it exists in our modern Bibles in part because the Catholics created a forged Greek text to provide to an 16th century scholar, Erasmus.

2. “But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” (Matthew 17:21)
This whole verse is omitted from most modern Bible translations, while Mark 9:29 has the word “fasting” removed from it based on the earliest manuscripts. I have personally seen people testify of fasting for prolonged periods of time, to wage war with demons. I have also heard testimonies where this process did not work, and the preacher had to embellish another element to the story (“I wasn’t holy enough, etc.”) Ironically enough the whole command, which people devote days and weeks to, was never in the Bible.

3. “Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery… said to Him… the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do you say?… Jesus said “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
This particular story has become one of the defining portraits of Jesus yet, all 12 verses have been removed or footnoted in new translations. If there is one story that is most commonly associated with Jesus, it is, hands down, this one. Everyone I know loves to quotes from these passages about Jesus. One of the most important doctrines regarding how to treat others who are sinners (“don’t judge them because you are not without sin”) is found only in this passage. Except it was never in the Bible but is a later addition, written down almost four hundred years after the death of Jesus.

4. “And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” (Luke 22:44)
I have witnessed countless preachers motioning triumphantly with agony and emotion on their face as they read these words. It’s as if they experience this exact sensation while they read about it. Some have even spoken of a possible medical condition where a person experiences so much stress that they sweat blood. Except, this was never in the original bible, so all the emotional sermons focusing on this were due to a passage that was almost certainly not biblical.

5. “These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons and they will speak with new tongues.” (Mark 16:17)
Pentecostals have only one mention of Jesus teaching about the act of speaking in tongues in the Gospels, this passage is Mark 16:17 . However, most of this chapter in Mark is an interpolation, for the original text of Mark (the earliest Gospel to be written, about 10-20 years before Luke/Matthew) ended at 16:8. What is fascinating about this is that millions of Pentecostals have frequently preached that Jesus predicted their glossolaic speech in the Gospels. Unfortunately, this is not the case, it was merely secondary addition of a scribe who later added to the text what wasn’t there.
 
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6. “And they will take up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any poison it will not harm them, and they will lay their hands on the sick and they will become well.” (Mark 16:18)
Another passage from the unoriginal ending to the Gospel of Mark. Unfortunately, people have literally died because of this interpolation. There have been hundreds of Pentecostal churches that have engaged in snake-handling, though today they are a dying breed.

7. “For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.” (Matthew 6:13)
The Lord’s Prayer has been repeated by billions of people, trillions of times. It is probably the most repeated series of words in the history of the world. And besides the fact that there are already two version of the Lord’s Prayer in the original texts, Matthew version (v6:9–13) has 65 words while Luke’s version (v11:2–4) only has 36 words, the ending (a doxology) of Matthew’s version, the one memorized by billions, was a later interpolation but not the original.

8. “And in the same way after supper Jesus took the cup and said, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.” (Luke 22:20)
This is a primary Gospel witness of the atoning intent (“for you”) of the crucifixion as well as the promise of a “new covenant.” These are essential Christian teachings that are found in most faith statements. Today most Bibles mention with a footnote that this passage is not found in the most ancient manuscripts, however a couple conservative scholars attempt to defend the idea that the original text had these words, then a scribe removed them and the original was lost, finally another scribe re-added it to explain why it’s missing from the earliest copies. Today we have six different versions of this passage, and only one supports the theological reading that conservatives want, but there is very strong evidence this was a later interpolation.

9. “And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.” (Mark 16:15)
The first of two Christian texts that command what is called “The Great Commission” to preach the gospel to all nations is certainly a later scribal interpolation, part of the “longer ending of Mark” that was not in the original. There is one more passage that commands the Great Commission, Matthew 28:19, so this whole doctrine of evangelism and missions is not completely lost once we remove Mark 16:15 However, when it comes to Matthew 28:19, there has been much debate whether this is an original text, some scholars have argued the whole text is not original. Others just say a part of the text was a later addition. Eusebius of Caesarea, and early church father, quoted this passage without the Trinitarian formula or request for baptism, so this is very strong evidence that, at the very least, “baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost”, is a later addition, absent from the original Gospel. This means that the Great Commission is absent from the earliest Gospel, and the version present in a later gospel was uttered without a command to baptize people or a Trinitarian formula.

10. Many (not all) passages relating to the Substitutionary Atonement are interpolations.
Okay I cheated, this is more than ten verses, but it’s my blog so I’m the only one who can fire myself. Anyway, the phrases removed in newer Bible translations include “through his blood” in Colossians 1:14; “broken for

you” in 1 Corinthians 11:24; “sacrificed for us” in 1 Corinthians 5:7; “suffered for us” in 1 Peter 4:1; “by himself purged our sins” in Hebrews 1:3. Others were edited (to reflect the earliest manuscripts) making changes from “purchased possession” to just “possession” in Ephesians 1:14 or from “that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ” to “what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions” in Colossians 1:24, and etc.

In each of these cases, the verse in question, in traditional English translations, has said something like “Jesus was sacrificed for us” but manuscript tradition changes this into “Jesus was sacrificed. [the end]” or “Christ suffered for us” to “Christ suffered [the end].” Today the doctrine of substitutionary atonement is the dominant doctrine of the Cross in the Christian world, yet this doctrine was not prominent in the early church. While many passages are not originals, there are a handful that are likely authentic, like Ephesians 1:7, but this means the all-important doctrine of the substitutionary atonement is barely mentioned a few times, and is not present everywhere in the New Testament, which is strange for those who claim that it is, in fact, the whole point of the Gospel.
 
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My memory isn't what it used to be. Glad I could be of service to your amusement. :)
What gives you the impression that I am amused....do you have some kind of persecution complex?
The truth is the truth, no matter who says it.....I like to let the Bible speak....what about you?
 

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Did you know that there is a list of well known errors in the KJV......not all were caused by the KJV, just perpetuated by it.

The Comma Johanneum as it is referred to, originated as a common literary explanation or formula for the Trinity. It first appeared in the 3rd century in some of the literature which debated the oneness concepts of the Trinity. Even though this formula would become very popular, at the time, very few Church Fathers agreed with it. But the scriptures were modified to further back the faulty doctrine of the Trinity as one God. Every attempt has been made to remove the truth that there is Yahweh, Father and God Almighty and Yeshua the Son of God Almighty, Savior and God, and the mysterious God that is only known as the Holy Spirit.

At some point this faulty formulation of the Trinity made its way into the margin notes of some of the Bibles that were written after the 5th century. Unlike other examples of popular margin notes that made their way into the scriptures, the Comma Johanneum found its way into the verses of the Bible by way of another avenue. After the 6th century, the Byzantines begain to recopy and retranslate the available Greek texts of the New Testament. At this point some of these copies became known as the “Textus Receptus.” It was in some of these that the formula was added and then later included in some of the Bibles. Most notably the King James Version, which relied heavily on these texts. As it happened the Comma Johanneum Addition was much more than a retranslation, or an addition, but rather a replacement of the original scriptures with a popular theological statement. They kept the verse numbers in sequence so that it would not be as noticeable.

The scriptures involved are 1st John 5:7&8. The original scriptures read as follows... (Quoting 6 through 8, so it can be read in context)

“6. This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. 7. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8. And it is the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

This was replaced with what came to be called the Comma Johanneum Addition. Verses 7 and 8 are the added lines.

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7: For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8: And there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

As one can see there is no chance that these are simply a different translation, but rather a removal of the scriptures and an insertion of a theological statement for an intended purpose. Of course and again, there is no question that the Trinity exists, just that the Bible does not support the commonly explained formula or description of it.

1. “There are three that bear witness in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy spirit, and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)
Interestingly enough this is the only passage in the Bible that clearly articulates the Trinity. While there are other passages that may hint at the Trinity this particular passage distilled hundreds of years of theology by the early church into a Bible verse added into the text. This is literally one of the more fascinating manuscript stories as it exists in our modern Bibles in part because the Catholics created a forged Greek text to provide to an 16th century scholar, Erasmus.

2. “But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” (Matthew 17:21)
This whole verse is omitted from most modern Bible translations, while Mark 9:29 has the word “fasting” removed from it based on the earliest manuscripts. I have personally seen people testify of fasting for prolonged periods of time, to wage war with demons. I have also heard testimonies where this process did not work, and the preacher had to embellish another element to the story (“I wasn’t holy enough, etc.”) Ironically enough the whole command, which people devote days and weeks to, was never in the Bible.

3. “Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery… said to Him… the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do you say?… Jesus said “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
This particular story has become one of the defining portraits of Jesus yet, all 12 verses have been removed or footnoted in new translations. If there is one story that is most commonly associated with Jesus, it is, hands down, this one. Everyone I know loves to quotes from these passages about Jesus. One of the most important doctrines regarding how to treat others who are sinners (“don’t judge them because you are not without sin”) is found only in this passage. Except it was never in the Bible but is a later addition, written down almost four hundred years after the death of Jesus.

4. “And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” (Luke 22:44)
I have witnessed countless preachers motioning triumphantly with agony and emotion on their face as they read these words. It’s as if they experience this exact sensation while they read about it. Some have even spoken of a possible medical condition where a person experiences so much stress that they sweat blood. Except, this was never in the original bible, so all the emotional sermons focusing on this were due to a passage that was almost certainly not biblical.

5. “These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons and they will speak with new tongues.” (Mark 16:17)
Pentecostals have only one mention of Jesus teaching about the act of speaking in tongues in the Gospels, this passage is Mark 16:17 . However, most of this chapter in Mark is an interpolation, for the original text of Mark (the earliest Gospel to be written, about 10-20 years before Luke/Matthew) ended at 16:8. What is fascinating about this is that millions of Pentecostals have frequently preached that Jesus predicted their glossolaic speech in the Gospels. Unfortunately, this is not the case, it was merely secondary addition of a scribe who later added to the text what wasn’t there.
Your catching on to the deletions in the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

It appears you are unaware of new bible translations and the (Novum Testamentum Graece)


Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 

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Your catching on to the deletions in the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

It appears you are unaware of new bible translations and the (Novum Testamentum Graece)


Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Well we have copied this back and forth enough....so they have enough information so they can decide on their own
 

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Well we have copied this back and forth enough....so they have enough information so they can decide on their own
Grailhunter, as in King Arthur and the legend of the holy grail?

Noticed your avatar is of a person forging a sword?
 

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Only a divine person could atone for a divine law.
Jesus was the archangel, yes. But that term merely means boss of the angels. It doesn't mean he is an angel. I agree with you that Jesus is Michael. But there is no scriptural passage or text that describes Michael as a created being. The title Lord of Hosts is a direct parallel to archangel.
You are wrong however thinking Jesus wasn't immortal.
KJV 1 John 5:10-12
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

The only reason Jesus could die was because the life He had, inherited from His Father, is the same life as the Father. Immortal. And being a gift, He could give it up, or as He said, lay it down. Only someone with the power over His own life could choose to lay it down and die, sacrificing it on behalf of others.
The Son of God fulfilled the law. That law was the law of God, as sacred as God Himself, as it was a written transcript of His character. Only someone equal to the law in holiness and sacredness, equal to the Father in character and holiness, could make Atonement for it's transgression.

Jesus was created, the very first creation by Jehovah Rev 3:14 He is the firstborn of every creature, in fact of all creation Col 1:15. Jesus is begotten, which means having been fathered. Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten son of God, among all of God's sons, because he was created by Jehovah's hands only since nothing else existed other than Jehovah. The rest of God's sons were made, not created which means designed, by Jesus as Jehovah's master worker Pro 8:30. When God chose to create man, he was personally speaking with Jesus at Gen 1:26 where He said Let us make man in our image.

Jesus was not immortal prior to completing his assignment and returning to heaven. And although many people think that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up one God, Jesus didn't even have holy spirit until his return to heaven Acts 2:33
 
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And although many people think that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up one God, Jesus didn't even have holy spirit until his return to heaven Acts 2:33

"Making up one God" is not Trinitarian doctrine, and "Yahweh/Jehovah" is not the name of the Father, either way, I suppose He lacked the Holy Spirit when He was conceived by Him, or when He literally breathed the Holy Spirit on the Apostles before His Ascension, but okay. The abuses of Scripture and misunderstandings of the Trinitarian position multiply and continue, it is a common theme in this thread.
 
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The pre incarnate Jesus was not known as Jesus. What did the angels call Him? What was His name?

Amen Brother.
Let us dine on the Bread of Life together - The Word.
By the word of God we know they did not call the Pre-incarnate Jesus by the name of Michael, since Michael is a created angel and one of the untold numbers of angels that worship our Lord Jesus Christ.

For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.” - Hebrews 1:5-6

The Word tells us it is impossible for our LORD to be any angel.
Our Lord is from Eternity and is the One Elohim - Father Son Holy Spirit.

Check out the Thread:
One Eternal God in Three Persons- Look and SEE


 

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Jesus was created, the very first creation by Jehovah Rev 3:14 He is the firstborn of every creature, in fact of all creation Col 1:15. Jesus is begotten, which means having been fathered. Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten son of God, among all of God's sons, because he was created by Jehovah's hands only since nothing else existed other than Jehovah. The rest of God's sons were made, not created which means designed, by Jesus as Jehovah's master worker Pro 8:30. When God chose to create man, he was personally speaking with Jesus at Gen 1:26 where He said Let us make man in our image.

Jesus was not immortal prior to completing his assignment and returning to heaven. And although many people think that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up one God, Jesus didn't even have holy spirit until his return to heaven Acts 2:33

The Son was never created - that is heresy and a lie - escape the lie that you may Live.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-3, 14

The Word became flesh = Jesus the Christ = Emanuel = God with us.

Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, went to the cross to suffer and die on our behalf.
Because He committed no sin death could not hold Him in the grave.
He is the Firstborn from the grave, of many more to rise when He Returns to Resurrect them and me.

JESUS the SON of GOD says this to you: I AM the Resurrection.
 

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I suppose He lacked the Holy Spirit when He was conceived by Him, or when He literally breathed the Holy Spirit on the Apostles before His Ascension, but okay.

good point. 1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

how dwells the Spirit of God in him? to say the Holy Spirit was not in Christ (to me) would be like saying, the love of God dwelled not in Him…but is that true?
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Also, Luke 4:18-21, Luke 3:21-22, Luke 4:1
 
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What gives you the impression that I am amused
Wowser Barny.....I am getting worried about your spiritual education.
Did you not know that the Jews turned the copper serpent into an idol and God had it destroyed? (2 Kings 18:4)
C'mon...you can do this.....BIG THUMBS UP
You don't see any mockery or patronizing in this at all? No veiled insults?
do you have some kind of persecution complex?
The truth is the truth, no matter who says it.....I like to let the Bible speak....what about you?
Persecution was the furthest thing from my mind.

Here's a page with a link to my posting history:
BarnyFife

See if you can find anything that indicates a persecution complex.

How can you persecute someone on a web forum? Every browser tab has a -close- button; every device has a power switch. No worries. As long as you remain perfectly confident and truthful, you are above any kind of scrutiny, right? The Bible has no other instruction on how to behave or treat people, right? Technical correctness is King. :)

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control, confidence(?), truthfulness(?).
 
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Jesus was created, the very first creation by Jehovah Rev 3:14 He is the firstborn of every creature, in fact of all creation Col 1:15. Jesus is begotten, which means having been fathered. Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten son of God, among all of God's sons, because he was created by Jehovah's hands only since nothing else existed other than Jehovah. The rest of God's sons were made, not created which means designed, by Jesus as Jehovah's master worker Pro 8:30. When God chose to create man, he was personally speaking with Jesus at Gen 1:26 where He said Let us make man in our image.

Jesus was not immortal prior to completing his assignment and returning to heaven. And although many people think that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up one God, Jesus didn't even have holy spirit until his return to heaven Acts 2:33
I’d never caught this before, what in your opinion would be the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost?


Acts 2:33 KJV
[33] Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.