Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.
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If the name of Jesus Christ has been pronounced over you during water baptism, correct, you are not a sinner.
Awesome.
Question; why don't those that baptize per Matt 28:19 say the name "Jesus" when mentioning "son"?
Do they think the name of the son is "son"?
If our boss told us to pick up some supplies in his name would we say his name?
If Jesus told us to baptize in his name per Matt 28:19 would we say his name?
robert derrick
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You are not responding to my simple challenges, which must be answered for your doctrine to have any credibility.
Instead, you misshape the argument with a carnal phrasing, which is why it is a whopper, since you made it up.
Repent, and be baptized everyone of you...
Upon repentance, we are saved by the hearing of faith, and then we go on to keep the Lord's commandments, one of which is water baptism.
Jesus' commandments to His church are not to unbelieving sinners, who have not repented.
Prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (1 Cor 14:22)
The commandment of water baptism serves only for them that believe.
And so, you can continue with the fruitless carnal arguments, but until you answer the simple questions, your doctrine is false.
How do we receive the Spirit?
Do unsaved sinners receive the Spirit?
Was Cornelius an unsaved sinner, when he recieved the Holy Ghost baptism even as the apostles did?
robert derrick
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Exactly.
The carnal argument focuses around saying the name Jesus during water baptism. Which is fine. If I were to be baptized again to become part of another local church openly, then Jesus' name could be announced several times.
But it wouldn't save me. It couldn't save me, because I would not believe that, and God only saves and is pleased by faith.
Therefore, them that insist on pronouncing the name of Jesus according to their 'law' of 2:38, show their carnal mindedness, when they do not insist on faith, that doing so actually saves. All they want is the performance of the ritual form to satisfy themselves on their proselytizing abilities: pride.
I.e. they only seek satisfaction is in having you do according to their will.
And so the Scriptural argument is not about names and ritual manner, but about water baptism saving the soul.
Which it does not, since no man can receive the Spirit and not be born again of the Spirit, and we receive the Spirit by the hearing of faith through grace, not by the work of the law of baptism.
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Gal 3)
1stCenturyLady
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Because the Godhead is broken down in Matthew 28:19 and is more specific. Do you believe it is evil to do that?
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1stCenturyLady
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Who says we don't say the name of Jesus? I love Jesus. It is important to me, but it doesn't prevent me from loving the rest of the Godhead. I want as much of God as I can get.
If you only want Jesus and not the Father who He is one with, that is up to you. But don't question my devotion because I want the whole Godhead that Jesus is in bodily form. Come on, Truther. Now that we know we are both Pentecostal in acceptance of the Holy Spirit's gifts, let's also be one according to the prayer of Jesus in John 17. Don't snub the Father. Jesus glorifies the Father and you should be like Jesus. If not, I won't judge you, but please stop judging me seeing as I accept you just the way you are. I deserve that as well.
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GodsBeloved11
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I just said up thread that I have been! I been baptised in the name of God the father. Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. I was fully immersed as per the bible.
GodsBeloved11
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If you're saying we need to say the name Yahusha or Yeshua instead of Jesus then I disagree. Those are the same Name just different languages! God can hear any language
1stCenturyLady
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@GodsBeloved11 Believer's baptism as per Acts 2.41 is indeed Scriptural. :)
I like what the hymn says:
"No longer shall sin have dominion,
Though present to tempt and annoy."
Romans 8, with its precious, powerful promises, contains a lot of strength for the believer, I think.
GodsBeloved11
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There you go then. I don't understand why Truther thinks this isn't proper baptism?
GodsBeloved11
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Amen! Yes we are saints if we are in Christ . Of course I think saints should go on to be baptised.
If they don't then they are simply saints who are disobeying!
GodsBeloved11
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Righteousness in Christ is positional for all true believers but we are to continue in holiness by obeying and getting baptised
@GodsBeloved11 Acts 2.41 shows that those who were baptized were believers already: they showed their faith indeed by becoming baptized in obedience, rather than try to become believers by being baptized...
@GodsBeloved11 That is simply the Hebrew version... :)
GodsBeloved11
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GodsBeloved11
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Yep. Now we are in the church age, both Gentiles and Hebrews are part of God's church and the Name is just as powerful whether it be Hebrew or English or Latin or Green or Coptic Egyptian or Spanish or Swedish or Chinese!!!
GodsBeloved11
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