Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[Truman]

I don't conform to the word...the word conforms me to the image of Christ!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Give me a break!!!!!!!! I already told you I was not interested in a conversation.

If that were the case you wouldn't have replied to what I said in the first place.

 

[Taken]

The problem with this concept as with all OSAS concepts is that it is not true.

There are no multiple concepts.
You "ARE" Saved "IF" you have Become Converted.

If we are born again...is an erroneous statement. There is no gauge...

False.
Any man Receiving; Gods...
Spirit; Seed, Word; Knowledge; Truth; Faith; Comfort; Forgiveness; Salvation; Quickening; Uncorrupted Body; Escape from Wrath; Inheritance; Gifts; Rewards;
IS absolutely Dependent UPON.....
IF
And THAT IF IS according TO:
Gods WAY

And people do not get kicked out of Christianity You can kick them out of a church...you can excommunicate them. But they will arrive on Judgement Day as Christians, and as Christian they will be judged and if they have lived a lifestyle of sin...for example drug users or LBGTQ, they will be Christians burning in hell.

Utterly FALSE!

First of all, how many times DID JESUS MENTION "Christians"? NEVER.
Calling onself a "Christian", IS NOT the deciding FACTOR of Eternal Life or Eternal Death!
(There are Plenty of Jews, that continue their faith IN God...who shall be saved....and a FEW Jews, that are Converted IN Christ...
WHO DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES "Christians".)

Salvation IS about A ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP between ONE individual and the Lord God.

* You singling out...murderers, drug users, homosexuals...wagging your finger...Dictating their Judgement....IS NOT your place.
* BTW nearly HALF of the US Population regularly take Prescription DRUGS, and 80+% of them are under 12 years of age!
DRUGS are DRUGS!!
* The FACT is: An individual's Relationship (ONCE ESTABLISHED) WITHIN Christ Jesus....
IS Forever.
* You preaching the Lord WILL, renege ON HIS WORD...and SEND a man IN CHRIST TO HELL....is Utterly False.
* It is NOT Scripturally PROMOTED to have strife between men, live an immoral lifestyle......And that INCLUDES LYING, CHEATING, STEALING....

So by your proclamation....
Half the kids in the US....on drugs,
Nearly ALL school age kids, who it is well known HAVE cheated;
Half of the married couples, have cheated,
Half of the People have stolen....
Lying...pfff, multiple times daily by most people....
.....AND.....THEY .... IN CHRIST or NOT...are going to be sent to Hell?

No. Behaviors between men, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A CONVERTED one on one relationship with the Lord God.

IF mans behavior between men...is immoral, (queer, murder, lying, cheating, stealing, etc.).... THAT is a mans "no good" works...
AND THOSE WORKS SHALL BE BURNED. IF the man IS SAVED, he is still SAVED!

1 Cor 3:
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[jessiblue]

I've been here over a year... give it time.

Yeah… I’m a long-time member of two other Christian forums besides this one. I’m well aware of the accusations that often come against those of us who desire to live holy lives because Jesus lives in our hearts. jb

 

[Addy]

If that were the case you wouldn't have replied to what I said in the first place.

You quoted me... I was trying to acknowledge that fact.. but you came when I was on my way out of the thread... Your words are not worth my time... as all you want to do is CONDEMN... so yeah... not interested in talking with you... and just letting you KNOW.

 

[Addy]

Yeah… I’m a long-time member of two other Christian forums besides this one. I’m well aware of the accusations that often come against those of us who desire to live holy lives because Jesus lives in our hearts. jb

Well.. there you go then... ENJOY.

 

[Truman]

Not only am I Truman, I'm also Right-Man. If you disagree with me, you're wrong, man!
In that case, you can choose:
Door #1
Door #2
Door #3
Behind one door is a pit full of lions.
Behind a second is a well full of crocodiles.
Behind the third is being stranded on a desert island with Joe Biden.
You'd better agree with me...if you know what's good for you!

 

[Grailhunter]

@Addy I’m kind of behind reading all these posts, but so far, I haven’t seen anyone here being legalistic, unless I’ve missed it. I’m pretty sure we all are in agreement that no one could ever be worthy of being saved by our Lord; we could never do anything to merit such a gift. … because it is Jesus Himself who makes us worthy. It is He that justifies and makes us righteous. Jesus Christ died for the ungodly … just as we are. jb

The fact is there is no legalism in Christianity or the Bible....no legalist scriptures, no legalist section in the Bible.
When they bring up the term legalist it means stop quoting the Bible. The Word of God offends them. So like I say...Those that live sinful life styles are going to take offense to the Word of God. Which is exactly what the Bible tells us to do. And so the OSAS people will exclaim! Don't you dare read the Word of God to me! It is like showing a cross to a vampire. I put OSAS beliefs in motion...I take it home...put it in the real...it is like dragging a vampire out in the sunlight.....

 

[Addy]

Good grief... and good grief again... damned if you do.. and damned if you don't... Graily... I took you off ignore a few weeks back... but I cannot
stomach the things you say... Forever twisting people's words... and hurling forth accusations that are not true. Back on IGNORE you go.

 

[Addy]

@Blood Bought 1953 ... Been an interesting thread. You enjoy this... I do not.. it nauseates me to no end.

 

[Truman]

Lol! I used to get a kick out of watching April go off...but you're even better! Lol
(As Truman reclines in his stuffed armchair, munching on Pringles as he washes them down with yet another soda.)
What a cracker! :)

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You quoted me... I was trying to acknowledge that fact.. but you came when I was on my way out of the thread... Your words are not worth my time... as all you want to do is CONDEMN... so yeah... not interested in talking with you... and just letting you KNOW.

Yes I do condemn false Christians. They cause Gods word to be evil spoken of, because of their saved by grace so that excuses us attitude and way of life. The true Christians acknowledges scriptures such as in 1 Corinthians chapter 5. The true Christians dis-fellowship those who are practicing sin and are unrepentant.

 

[Grailhunter]

Good grief... and good grief again... damned if you do.. and damned if you don't... Graily... I took you off ignore a few weeks back... but I cannot
stomach the things you say... Forever twisting people's words... and hurling forth accusations that are not true. Back on IGNORE you go.

You cannot stomach what the Bible says. I am not your problem.
I am a full fledged believer in freedom of religion.
Ya know that pot has its own religious following?
The only reason I step in so sternly is that OSAS ruins lives and works against Christianity and the belief can lead people to hell.
I don't care what you believe or do.

Why do people come to believe OSAS?
Some want to live a life of sin and still go to heaven. So they latch on to the OSAS bandwagon.
Some may want to be popular and socially politically correct. Fit in to this world socially or at work.
Some may have children or grandchildren or even friends that they cannot bear the thought of going to hell.
Some came to Christianity honestly wanting to clean up their act and have a relationship with God. And they are headed off at the pass by the OSAS crowd that convince them that there is no need to change....just believe in Christ and they are guaranteed heaven. So their lives and their children's lives remain in shambles living a life of sin and filth.

Be good and do good!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I find it very sad that the legalistic bunch... compare themselves to the likes of the drunk up the street for their measure of being good.... when in all reality... we need to be comparing ourselves to the measure of CHRIST... I think that would dramatically reduce the I'm so good attitude found in so many score keeping believers.... My little thoughts for the day. LOL

You need to start rubbing shoulders with real Christians, not the fake Sunday Christians populating most of our churches today. Have you ever been to a non-denominational service or Bible study?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“ where we are today” is the Age Of where 90% of the Church World is “ Fallen From Grace” and doesn’t even realize it ——it’s the Age Of “Jesus Saves— BUT!”........ ( The Blood is Essential....it just ain’t Adequate—— Jesus needs a “ Co- Savior”..... and that guy is me!)

I agree with this insofar as the major historical denominations go. I won't attend their churches anymore.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Who did you drop the first one on, me?

Nope.....it was yours truly....

 

[Truman]

Nope.....it was yours truly....

S.S.S. - stupid-self-sabotage...the dumbest kind! Lol

 

[BloodBought 1953]

And your reading comprehension is fundamentally flawed because that's what I've been saying, lol!
The person who is living in sin is not going to be saved when Jesus comes back. I don't care what claim to salvation that person has, or had. They ain't gonna be saved when Jesus comes back. 'Taint no hypergrace theology gonna change that. The unrepentant person has to come to repentance in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's what 1 Corinthians 5 is all about.

I hate being the bearer of bad news—— but—— “ Where sin abounds ,grace abounds all the more”.....you think that God was surprised when Fools thought that they could abuse that Truth? Grace ain’t fair —- and THAT is the best thing that ever happened to us Sinners that need it—- every hour Of every day!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

True. But once again this thread is focusing on sin instead of righteousness. "Dead to sin" should mean "Alive to God". Which means the focus should be constantly on righteousness. "Sin shall not have dominion over you" is God's truth. So why so much talk about sin?

Weak, Confused and poorly taught People are “Sin” Conscience as opposed to “ Son” Conscience .....a little more of the latter will help with the former....

 

[Grailhunter]

OSAS is a fool's dream. Boy oh boy are they going to be surprised when they are standing in front of Christ on Judgment Day!