Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

What is it about "I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:21) that you think I'm confused about? If you say it doesn't really mean what it says then it's obvious that you are the one who has "lost sight of what scripture actually says and means."

It means what it says, the problem here is you don't understand what its saying.

In context with the other correction- those who "practice such things" means like a practitioner ( artisan) or someone dedicated to it. Thats the same as unrepentant ( the unchanged mind) in the culture.

That's what it actually says and means.

Like i said before, you have a fundamentally and fatally defective understanding of salvation

 

[Truman]

Perhaps one knows God is holy and that they know He wants them to be holy but knows their own heart and is trying to work things out so they can have peace with a holy God, while knowing they are not. Not trying to make excuses so they can remain in their sin but trying to find a solution to their dilemma. Perhaps.

 

[Nancy]

Does anyone ever consider that there is a huge difference between "living" in sin and "falling into" sin? The first would be those who would and should be put out of the church if they do not listen to sound doctrine and, they have what, like 3 different warnings to repent BEFORE being put out for Satan to sift them.

The second ("Falling into") would be a brother or sister who sins but repents after getting back up and into the race...living in sin is a habitual, intentional way of life. Imho :)

15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you
as a Gentile and a tax collector."

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:7-8​

You have been deceived, BB.

We’ll see—- won’t we? What makes you think I don’t “ Practice Righteousness?” I do.Without even trying.Without worrying about it. It just kinda comes naturally when you REST in the Gospel ( 1Cor15:1-4) and God
Works His Will “THROUGH” you. You do not Rest in the Gospel as ordered to in Hebrews.Thats why you don't understand what I am talking about.....You have too Live it.....
I “ practice Sin” to the same extent that I stick my hand in fires....Both are very painful to me....I try to avoid both....yet, as James said, “ we ALL stumble”.
Have you ever considered trading in your “religion” for something better? Something like Christianity ? Try to be a little a little more “ SON” Conscience , as opposed to being so “ Sin” Conscience.I deplore Sin , But when I mess up, as we ALL do , I do the same thing with my sin that God does—— I put it on the Cross.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In context with the other correction- those who "practice such things" means like a practitioner ( artisan) or someone dedicated to it. Thats the same as unrepentant ( the unchanged mind) in the culture.

That's what it actually says and means.

Like i said before, you have a fundamentally and fatally defective understanding of salvation

And your reading comprehension is fundamentally flawed because that's what I've been saying, lol!
The person who is living in sin is not going to be saved when Jesus comes back. I don't care what claim to salvation that person has, or had. They ain't gonna be saved when Jesus comes back. 'Taint no hypergrace theology gonna change that. The unrepentant person has to come to repentance in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's what 1 Corinthians 5 is all about.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

And your reading comprehension is fundamentally flawed because that's what I've been saying, lol!
The person who is living in sin is not going to be saved when Jesus comes back. I don't care what claim to salvation that person has, or had. They ain't gonna be saved when Jesus comes back. 'Taint no hypergrace theology gonna change that. The unrepentant person has to come to repentance in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's what 1 Corinthians 5 is all about.

Again, no. You mix so many words you confuse yourself. Salvation doesn't wait until Jesus "comes back" and repentance is part of Salvation ( the process)

Like i said, fundamentally and fatally defective.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What makes you think I don’t “ Practice Righteousness?”

I don't know if you do or not. The point is, you are deceived if you think that the person who practices sin is saved. Whether you yourself are practicing sin or not is not the point. You're telling everybody they can live in sin and they are still saved, even when it's been shown to you over and over and over again that John says that person is not saved. I think you realize you've been wrong about this but you can't find it in yourself to bend to the truth. And so you continue to blow your hypergrace horn in direct contradiction to plain scripture. The scary part about being deceived is if you deny the truth and let yourself be deceived long enough there comes a point where you get turned over to the lie and you become incapable of seeing the truth. You may be there.

 

[Enoch111]

Does anyone ever consider that there is a huge difference between "living" in sin and "falling into" sin?

True. But once again this thread is focusing on sin instead of righteousness. "Dead to sin" should mean "Alive to God". Which means the focus should be constantly on righteousness. "Sin shall not have dominion over you" is God's truth. So why so much talk about sin?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Again, no. You mix so many words you confuse yourself. Salvation doesn't wait until Jesus "comes back"

You do read the Bible, right?

"...hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 5:5​

This man is not going to the right and into the kingdom when Jesus comes back if he does not repent. Instead he will not be spared from the wrath of God and will go to the left and into the lake of fire at Christ's return.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

this thread is focusing on sin instead of righteousness

Why would a person turn a blind eye to the fact they are living in sin? I know that focusing on Jesus' victory over sin is the answer to overcoming sin, but that hardly means a person is to turn a blind eye to the fact they are living in sin, if that be the case. In fact, you have to acknowledge you're living in sin before you seek Jesus' victory over that sin.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Try to be a little a little more “ SON” Conscience , as opposed to being so “ Sin” Conscience.

You're doing it too. You're confusing recognizing and acknowledging sin with what you do to overcome that sin. Don't ever tell anybody to ignore their sin and just think happy Jesus thoughts.

 

[Enoch111]

Why would a person turn a blind eye to the fact they are living in sin?

Why would a Christian -- a genuine Christian -- be living in sin?

 

[Earburner]

Let it not once be named among you as BECOMETH saints . That was what Paul wrote . LET it not ONCE be named .

Romans 8:8-9. Now go back to the first post of this thread.
Do you know the difference between being sin-less and sin-free?
If so, then you KNOW that as long as you have life in this flesh and blood existence, you are NOT ever sin-free.
Jesus is not our Advocate when we ask Him. Through faith, He is always our Advocate, if we are Born Again of His Spirit. Its called being "not condemned" forever! John 3:18.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why would a Christian -- a genuine Christian -- be living in sin?

And that's the point, Enoch.
The person living in sin is not ready to meet Christ at His return.

"hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 5:5

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm EXHAUSTED.... I am done for now.... Ferris... I have to tell you... YOU are my FAVORITE person to disagree with...
At the end of our conversation I do not think any less of you... simply that we do not agree... so GOOD on you... I hope
you are able to say the same for me...

Of all the burrs under my saddle you are my favorite! Lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Are you telling me you are bringing bear poop for me to eat??? I thought we were past that...

No, just the nuts and berries in it.

 

[Curtis]

No Christian finds a life of sin attractive....No Christian promotes it.....All Of the sins of a Christian are Under the Blood.....not only forgiven But Forgotten ( “ I will remember your sins no more”) ..... Sins are forgiven in the Eternal sense as far as Salvation, but rest assured—- Nobody “ gets away” with anything....if you are a Child Of God, God will Chastise you for your sins.....It’s obvious that all men should strive to sin less......

Having said all of that.....”Sin Prevention” is not to be the “ end-all and be-all” of Christianity......Every person that stands before Jesus will be a Sinner—- some will be redeemed because of their Faith in Jesus and others will not.....sin ain’t gonna be the deciding factor of whether you go to Heaven or Hell.....

The Hell- Bound will not be hearing, “Depart From me because You Sinned too much and therefore must go to Hell”.....We ALL have sinned too much to merit Heaven.....once again , that ain’t the issue.....The Damned souls will be hearing, “Depart From Me, I never KNEW you!”

Paul said his biggest desire was to “ KNOW Him”.....Why is that so important? If one Knows God, he will love God and pretty much everything else will take care of itself .....

In the end, Christianity is not about our pitiful Performance, it is not about “ Sin Prevention” ....at the Judgement seat, it ain’t gonna be , “ did you get an adequate handle on the sins in your life or did you not?” The BIG Question one must answer —the Question that will determine Heaven or Hell , is this—- DO YOU KNOW HIM?

Christianity ain’t religion.....in fact, it is the opposite.....it is a Relationship between you and Jesus..Abandon your Dead Works and your self - righteousness.....trying to “ make yourself worthy”...... we are “ MADE WORTHY” by the Blood Of The Lamb......REST in the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4....Love for God will follow....then,and ONLY THEN, will you Know Him and He Know you....

Scripture is beyond clear that when we repent of our sins as part of salvation, that only old sins and past sins are forgiven at that time, and that future sins are not put under the blood. or put under His atonement, until they are repented of.

If future sins are forgiven at salvation, there would be no need to ever repent of them, as the hyper-grace doctrinists claims - and it would be completely redundant for Jesus to warn four out of seven churches that they must repent, as He in fact does in Revelation.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Rather, so many Christians can't wrap their brains around 1 John 3:4-10. They reject it out of hand.

John is not telling us to hate fake believers. He's simply telling us to not be deceived by them. They cause a lot of damage in the church. It's why we are where we are today.

“ where we are today” is the Age Of where 90% of the Church World is “ Fallen From Grace” and doesn’t even realize it ——it’s the Age Of “Jesus Saves— BUT!”........ ( The Blood is Essential....it just ain’t Adequate—— Jesus needs a “ Co- Savior”..... and that guy is me!)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:7-8​

You have been deceived, BB.

I think that *YOU* are the one who is “ deceived” ......so there you go.....your OPINION is worth exactly what I paid for it—— Nothing......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes. We assume that all people in the church are God's kids, but they aren't if they are not growing up to look like God. They are the offspring of another. They are the seed of the devil. I did not say this. John did...

9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God..." 1 John 3:
9-10
​

Ultimately, the seed of God does not live in sin, while the seed of the devil does. It's right there in plain words in our Bibles. John is telling the church this so they can tell who is of the seed of God and who is of the seed of the devil and to not be deceived by anyone about this. False believers do a lot of damage in the church. They own the major denominations of the world. True believers have to meet in little groups if they want real fellowship with real believers. If only we'd had the guts to call them out like Paul said to do. Not hate them, but not allow them to fellowship among us in a misguided love for them.

I have the required “ guts” to call out those that ADD to the Gospel Of Pure Grace with “ Lucky Repentance” and refraining from “ Willful Sins” in order to be Saved ( as if your sins were “ accidental”....lol.....give me a break! ) I call out this Confused, poorly taught teachers of “ Jesus Saves—- BUT!”........As I have claimed , 90% of the “ church” is Fallen From Grace and they are clueless about it....they think it describes somebody like Jimmy Swaggert....just like the World does ! It means to Add to the Gospel Of Pure Grace —- the place where “ religion” begins and True Christianity begins.....some say it is a prescription for Damnation.....if that is true, that “ Narrow Way” that Jesus spoke Of is REALLY gonna be Narrow! I hope it is not true....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, I do not believe in sinless perfection.
I wondered if you were hearing it that way, lol.

The Bible talks about the difference between a righteous person struggling with sin, and an unrighteous person living in sin as a matter of an unrepentant lifestyle. The latter show that God is not their Father. They're not growing up to look like their daddy.

You said it yourself! God is STILL their “ Daddy”.....

Your “ Righteous” person got that way because of his Faith in Jesus......Your “ Unrighteous” person got that way because he did not trust Jesus to Save him....nothing to do with the level of sin in their lives....the more sin, the$more punishment for those sins.....for a Believer , Salvation is not the issue....You keep forgetting that Salvation is a GIFT! Not a TRADE—- God trades you Salvation for your Sin Maintainence and conquering ....