Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[Ferris Bueller]

When there's steam rising off of it, be afraid...be very afraid! Lol

Bear Grylls picks the nuts and berries out of it and eats it for lunch.....and dinner.....and breakfast.

 

[Addy]

I can CONSIDER them an unbeliever.

and that is where you and I disagree... I would consider them disobedient not an unbeliever... IF someone is a professed Christian... that title is a one time thing... it occurs at the moment of conversion... I believe it is a supernatural occurrence ( which can either be felt or not felt ).
You are expressing the opinion of someone who sees salvation as an on going event... I do NOT.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christians never stop sinning so are "living in sin" from the moment of conversion until death regardless.

No, friend, I do not 'live like this' ↓↓↓

"19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21
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I sin, but I do not 'live like this'. Do you? If you do, you need to listen to Paul when he says, "I warn you" in verse 21. Hopefully, you do not live like that. But what you have to start recognizing and making the distinction between is sinning as a Christian and living in sin as an unbeliever. This difference is not my creation. It comes right from Paul's, Jesus', and John's words. We need to stop placating people with misguided theology who aren't really saved by telling them they are saved as long as they think they are despite the fact they have no change of nature to validate any such experience.

 

[Addy]

No, friend, I do not 'live like this' ↓↓↓

Gosh... I had to look... those darn notifications.... YES you do live like this... we all do... that is what you don't understand. LOL

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and that is where you and I disagree... I would consider them disobedient not an unbeliever.

Here, look at this. Matthew 18:17

Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[Truman]

Bear Grylls picks the nuts and berries out of it and eats it for lunch.....and dinner.....and breakfast.

That's disgusting!

 

[Addy]

I hereby declare that it is PICNIC time.... come one come all and especially YOU @Ferris Bueller
Let us break bread together... and EAT.... and CELEBRATE.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Gosh... I had to look... those darn notifications.... YES you do live like this... we all do... that is what you don't understand. LOL

Then you do not believe the distinction John makes between saved 'sinners' and unsaved 'sinners' in 1 John 3:4-7.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I hereby declare that it is PICNIC time.... come one come all and especially YOU @Ferris Bueller
Let us break bread together... and EAT.... and CELEBRATE.

Can I bring the bear droppings I found in the woods by your house?

 

[Addy]

unsaved 'sinners'

Those who do not believe in JESUS CHRIST... and HIS ATONEMENT ( shed blood for our sins )... these are the unsaved sinners.

 

[Addy]

Can I bring the bear droppings I found in the woods by your house?

Are you telling me you are bringing bear poop for me to eat??? I thought we were past that...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Gosh... I had to look... those darn notifications.... YES you do live like this... we all do... that is what you don't understand. LOL

I'm not saying this casually, because I think you actually care and won't blow it off, but read Romans 8:5-8

5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.​

The unsaved sinner has his mind set on the flesh and so he walks in the flesh. The saved 'sinner' has his mind set on the Spirit, because he has the Spirit, and so he walks in the Spirit. That's the difference between the saved and unsaved person. The unsaved person's struggle is with righteousness. The saved person's struggle is with unrighteousness. Each of us has to examine ourselves to see which battle we're engaged in.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those who do not believe in JESUS CHRIST... and HIS ATONEMENT ( shed blood for our sins )... these are the unsaved sinners.

And their life shows that they do not believe in Jesus Christ and his atonement. That's how we are to consider a person saved or unsaved for the purpose of our own safety and that of the church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There is no such thing as "backsliding" because that would imply we ( as mere humans through our own actions) somehow achieved a physical state of "sinlessness" to "backslide from"

The term 'backsliding' comes from scripture. And I do not believe it means backslidden from a state of literal sinless perfection.

 

[Truman]

The thing is not to make a law out of these things, a list of does and don'ts.

 

[Addy]

And their life shows that they do not believe in Jesus Christ and his atonement. That's how we are to consider a person saved or unsaved for the purpose of our own safety and that of the church.

WE disagree with what an unsaved sinner is... I believe an unsaved sinner is one who does not believe Jesus Christ is God.
A saved sinner is someone who believes Jesus is God.
I don't know of many if any people who boast about being a Christian and outright defend living in SIN.

I would tend to agree with you on this.... those single people excusing LIVING together ( for whatever reason is WRONG )... and that seems to be one area that has gone to the dogs so to speak... I am all for Christian purity... and the pastor of my last church would NOT marry someone who was living together... HE never went as far as to banish anyone from attending church... but he was very clear on this issue.. and he would not marry someone who had previously been married... so there are churches out there that are conducting their duties properly... they are just far and few between...

Now about you bringing that bear poop to our picnic.... LOL

 

[Truman]

What do those cookies look like? More important, what do they taste like? Mmmm!

 

[Addy]

HAHAHA @Truman the Levite looking on the outside in...

I'm EXHAUSTED.... I am done for now.... Ferris... I have to tell you... YOU are my FAVORITE person to disagree with...
At the end of our conversation I do not think any less of you... simply that we do not agree... so GOOD on you... I hope
you are able to say the same for me... WE stuck to the issue at hand... and I FORGIVE you about the bear poop. lol

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post #30

PROVING self-worth by trying to do good and be good is the WRONG motivation...

This contradicts sound doctrine:

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:37)

"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38)

"So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:" (2 Thessalonians 1:4-5)

"Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy." (Revelation 3:4)

 

[Addy]

This contradicts sound doctrine:

Well.. you are one person I am not able to discuss things with in a pleasant manner.... sorry but I will pass on this...
You missed the party... should have arrived an hour ago.

Be blessed everyone.... Happy Labour Day....