Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, it is.

They fled an old corrupt tradition, and created another “church” based on a new and different corrupt tradition.

Then later, more people from those corrupt traditions went out and formed another “church” based on a different corrupt tradition, and on and on it went until you see the mess you see today…

A cancer of false doctrines that have totally removed all credibility from Christianity among the heathen; full of hypocrisy.

Bill Maher has had a field day with this stuff!

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:11-12)

Well, at least you admit that about Protestantism - but you fail to prove how the Catholic Church is a corruption of Scripture.

By the way - Bill Mahr ONLY has a "field day" with ignoramuses.
Anybody with even a modicum of knowledge can destroy his arguments.

 

[Mungo]

Yes, it is.

They fled an old corrupt tradition, and created another “church” based on a new and different corrupt tradition.

Then later, more people from those corrupt traditions went out and formed another “church” based on a different corrupt tradition, and on and on it went until you see the mess you see today…

A cancer of false doctrines that have totally removed all credibility from Christianity among the heathen; full of hypocrisy.

Bill Maher has had a field day with this stuff!

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:11-12)

So, do you think that ALL Churches are in doctrinal error?
Or is there one Church that has ALL doctrinal truth?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you are saying there are more than one ROMAN Catholic Church. Let me repeat that cuz you seemed confused. We are speaking of teh ROMAN CAtholic Church. NOt any other churcjthat puts catholic in their name. Th eMaronites are not ROMAN CATHOLIC. Are you that bereft of understanding this or are you just being intentioanlly obstinate?

WRONG, Einstein. Your ignorance is completely overwhelming.
Try to get this straight for once:

The official name of the Catholic Church is: "The Catholic Church".
There is NO such thing as the "Roman Catholic Church".

Maronites, Melkites, Byzantines, Romans, Coptics, etc. - are ALL part of "The Catholic Church".
Do you understand NOW - or should I draw pictures?

 

[BreadOfLife]

How could god just speak and cause everything to come into existence? Maybe half his biology was still the son of Mary, but He dismissed her to John- He didn't say "Mom, JOhn is going to care for you from now on." Hew said WOMAN_ look upon you r son- and he was reffering to John, not HImself. Just because you can't reason it out with you r finite mind, doesn't mean it is not true!

Other than your perversion above in RED - you STILL haven't explained why Jesus gave His mother to JOHN'S care when Mary supposedly had all those "other children" to care for her, according to Mosaic Law.

Can you explain this?

 

[Illuminator]

Yes, it is.
They fled an old corrupt tradition, and created another “church” based on a new and different corrupt tradition.

Asserted but never proven.
Anti-Catholics never give a date. This would have been a major historical event that somebody would have written about, but no one ever did. So why didn't anyone notice until the middle of a revolt in the 16th century?

Paul writes much about the anti-Christ and end times, but nowhere does he say the historic Church would be prevailed by evil. Attacked, yes but not prevailed. That is an anti-Catholic dogma that is not in the Bible. Another man made tradition that flatly denies God's promises.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

but you fail to prove how the Catholic Church is a corruption of Scripture.

The Catholic Church proves itself a corruption of the true New Testament church:

By doing ceremonial things that are not scriptural according to the New Testament:

1. Statues (of Mary and “saints”).
2. The “Hail Mary” prayer chants.
3. Having a “Pope”.
4. Using religious garments (costumes).

And it wouldn’t surprise me if others came up with other non scriptural things the Catholic Church does.

I’m not attacking you personally, nor it’s members as a whole; but at what point do we stop drifting away from scriptural doctrine and say “hold on there Popey, you can’t just usurp and make void the word of God fella!”

Same goes for the other churches out there (Protestant, Catholic, or whatever other name-badge assemblies there are).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Anti-Catholics never give a date. This would have been a major historical event, so why didn't anyone notice until the middle of a revolt in the 16th century?

Ever hear of the frog in the slow boiling water?

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church proves itself a corruption of the true New Testament church:

By doing ceremonial things that are not scriptural according to the New Testament:

1. Statues (of Mary and “saints”).
2. The “Hail Mary” prayer chants.
3. Having a “Pope”.
4. Using religious garments (costumes).

And it wouldn’t surprise me if others came up with other non scriptural things the Catholic Church does.

I’m not attacking you personally, nor it’s members as a whole; but at what point do we stop drifting away from scriptural doctrine and say “hold on there Popey, you can’t just usurp and make void the word of God fella!”

Same goes for the other churches out there (Protestant, Catholic, or whatever other name-badge assemblies there are).

In order for your argument to be valid - YOU need to show me - FROM SCRIPTURE - where it explicitly teaches that everything we practice as Christians must be explicitly mentioned in Scripture.

I'll wait right here for your response.
Good luck - because 500 years of Protestants haven't been able to do this because THAT is a corruption of Scripture. . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Anti-Catholics never give a date. This would have been a major historical event, so why didn't anyone notice until the middle of a revolt in the 16th century?

Paul writes much about the anti-Christ and end times, but nowhere does he say the historic Church would be prevailed by evil. Attacked, yes but not prevailed. That is an anti-Catholic dogma that is not in the Bible. Another man made tradition that flatly denies God's promises.

Yes - anti-Catholics are a LOT like Leftists.
They bark and spew allegations - but when you ask them to prove it, they retreat.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So, do you think that ALL Churches are in doctrinal error?

All the ones I have seen are in doctrinal error in one way or another. Many don’t have the stomach to stand firm on the word of God in the midst of a corrupt and crooked majority and just go along to get along.

Or is there one Church that has ALL truth?

Yes, the one that worships this way:

"…in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:23-24)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

In order for your argument to be valid - YOU need to show me - FROM SCRIPTURE - where it explicitly teaches that everything we practice as Christians must be explicitly mentioned in Scripture.

I'll wait right here for your response.
Good luck - because 500 years of Protestants haven't been able to do this because THAT is a corruption of Scripture. . .

"…should not a people seek unto their God? …To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:19-20)

End of discussion.

 

[Taken]

Interesting . . .

Sooooo - can I just assume that ALL of your tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects

Mine? LOL even a moron could figure out churches that are disjointed, splintered is not one same persons church.... LOL

So, NAME one hundred of these so called "tens of thousands" disjointed Churches...
Or name 50....Or Name 10...
THEN quote me EVER Claiming ANY OF THEM TO BE MY CHURCH...
What a COMIC to make such an outlandish claim.

"MINE"....Pfff Ridiculous per your usual.

that

ALL teach different doctrines based on the personal interpretations of their leaders ALL received "God's understanding"??

Just as you project yourself as an Expert on Catholic Churches....You apparently are ALSO an Expert on tens of thousands Protestant Churches...WHY ASK ME what they teach?
You are the one wondering if they received Gods Understanding.... surely you have first hand knowledge, being an expert...Why do you NOT know the answer?

Sooo, according to YOU -

TSK, TSk, TSK. Get your mirror...you are talking your thought, your word, to you, about you....

He is the God of confusion - and NOT order?

Another crock of nonsense you are preaching.

Oh, and NOBODY was "posthumously appointed" to any office.

Oh...so quote Scripture during Peter's life he was given the Title POPE...

Jesus

appointed Peter as earthly head (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:31-32, John 21:15-19) . . .

None of your references say "Jesus gave Peter an exclusive appointed Position of head of ....anything".

 

[Wrangler]

Anti-Catholics never give a date. This would have been a major historical event, so why didn't anyone notice until the middle of a revolt in the 16th century?

Would a date be helpful to you? I say the corruption was shortly after the transformation from being persecuted to becoming the State religion, when they killed unitarians, took their property and exiled them in the 4th century.

So, why did the corruption take centuries before the Reformation? The theological corruption takes a while to become a political priority. Most people are not purists but practically take the good with the bad. An organization does not have to be 100% bad before action is taken to make things better.

Hope this helps.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

but nowhere does he say the historic Church would be prevailed by evil

Perhaps you missed this scripture:

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." (Revelation 13:15)

 

[Mungo]

All the ones I have seen are in doctrinal error in one way or another. Many don’t have the stomach to stand firm on the word of God in the midst of a corrupt and crooked majority and just go along to get along.

OK, you don't know

Yes, the one that worships this way:

"…in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:23-24)

I didn't ask about worship style. I asked about doctrinal error.

I guess your answer then is that you don't know.

So, a don't know and a don't know but you are still willing to make general statements based on a lack of knowledge.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

but you are still willing to make general statements based on a lack of knowledge.

Yes, lack of knowledge of the Catholic Church’s teachings. I will freely admit that.

My knowledge comes solely from the Bible.

 

[Taken]

Once again - you FAIL to understand the concept of anthropomorphisms and other metaphorical language of Scripture.

So, YOU go on thinking that God is an actual rock and an actual bird with actual feathers and the rest of us will just have pity on you . . .

 

[Taken]

Once again - you FAIL to understand the concept of anthropomorphisms and other metaphorical language of Scripture.

No, I do not fail to understand.
You fail to comprehend the difference between;
Understanding a concept.
And
Considering a concept.

Show me IN Gods own Word....whereby I should consider ....
anthropomorphisms and other metaphorical langage.

So, YOU go on thinking that God is an actual rock and an actual bird with actual feathers and ....

Again you project your wicked attempts to speak for me...
When will you ever learn to close your mouth and open your ears?

I said no such Actual, anything.
Why do you continue to MAKE UP FALSE CLAIMS?
It is really a very poor reflection on you.

the rest of us will just have pity on you . . .

Who cares if you pity me, for what you say?
How asinine.

 

[Taken]

Soooooo, is the ecclesial divorce that is Protestantism, to the tune of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects - ALL based on the personal interpretations and traditions of their leaders NOT a "corruption" of the Scriptures?

Tens of thousands splintered Churches...
Surely you must know it is members of ALL churches who choose what how THEY will interpretate Scripture...
*) of their own personal interpretation
*) adopt their Clerics taught interpretation
*) adopt their Churches "manual" taught interpretation.
*) daddy said so
*) ask God.

You imply, only Protestants have different interpretations....WHAT a FARCE.
All Catholics do not agree, no different than All Protestants or ALL Muslims do not agree.

LOL....How naive.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How can your reason it out with your finite mind? John is the son of Mary and Jesus fathered himself, which is why he is called the son ... just because your come up with nonsense does not mean it is true.

John is not teh son of Mary. Teh sons of Mary are Jesus, James, Joses, Simon , Judah. God Fathered Jesus.

After teh gospels nothing more is mentioned of Mary.

Jesus fulfilled Jewish law by handing Mary over to His cousin JOhn.