When you are trusting Jesus fully, obedience DOES come 'naturally', because that trust is living the new man, and that's how the new man lives.
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new version of OSAS?
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Buddhists do righteous things, Jews do righteous things, Hindus do righteous things, Mormons do righteous things, Jehovah's witnesses do righteous things, are they righteous in God's sight? The universalist says so, the broad road ecumenical says so, but not the Lord.
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
And what did Jesus say about the accomplishment of salvation?
26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?”
27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.” Mark 10:26-27
Salvation is God's work, not ours. He works through us and in us to will and to do according to His good pleasure so that no man may boast.
27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:27-31
1 John 3:16-24 KJV
16) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17) But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18) My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21) Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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TheslightestID
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Ferris Bueller
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That's exactly the point. So, be careful how you build!
...each one must be careful how he builds.
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If anyone builds on this foundation (Christ - 1 Corinthians 3:11, Ephesians 2:20) using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 1 Corinthians 3:10-13
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If anyone builds on this foundation (Christ - 1 Corinthians 3:11, Ephesians 2:20) using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 1 Corinthians 3:10-13
If you add people to the church who are nothing more than wood, hay, or straw (people who will be consumed in the judgment - Isaiah 33:11-12), they won't be saved, but you yourself may be saved, but you will not have them as your joy, and your crown of boasting in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming (1 Thessalonians 2:19, Philippians 4:1, Philippians 2:16, 2 John 1:8). You will have labored for nothing. No reward.
And that's the danger of the Osas type-2 gospel. If you tell 'believers' they can live in their old unchanged, unrepentant lives of unrighteousness of the unbelieving and still be saved, instead of in the new transformed lives of the believing, you are laboring for that which will not last. You are building wood, hay, and straw, instead of gold, silver, and precious stones onto the foundation stone of Christ in the temple of God. Like the land and the branches that will be burned, and the bundles of weeds that are tossed in the furnace, so your work will be destroyed in the fire of the coming judgment and you will have no reward for your labor in the field and building of God.
Ferris Bueller
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But not of your own power. But by the power of the transformed life of the believer. He makes you worthy of the kingdom, not you or I - 2 Thessalonians 1:11. The danger of the works gospel in no way shape or form relieves the believer of his responsibility to put the deeds of the flesh to death by the Spirit. To not do that, on purpose, is nothing more than a rejection of the grace by which you were saved. It is a denial of Christ. Keep that up and he will surely deny you. That's the teaching that will build people up into people who will survive the coming judgment of fire. And the person who brings that message will receive his reward.
ScottA
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No, you have only justified your own position by secular means.
However, society does not correct God, nor does God or those in His service, follow society and the ways of men. On the contrary, if Paul took opportunity by using their own words, it was God who set it all up.
The point of that scripture by Paul, rather, is "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
ScottA
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I explained and quoted three scriptures also. What is it that is not clear to you?
TheslightestID
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Following was my question, either answer it or don't:
What do you mean "we are not the judge of what sin is". I say fornication among other things is sin...why am i not to do that?
Fact is, I judge what sin is every day, it helps me to recognize, and stay away from it, and now you are telling me I am not the judge of what sin is?
Strange conmment.
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TheslightestID
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JunChosen You need to fix your last post.
You on the other hand, will not forgive BECAUSE you have a "holier than thou" attitude. I'm glad you're NOT God!
Of course I forgive, prove that I do not. Why are you telling flat out lies about others?
I await your proof that I do not forgive others.
TheslightestID
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Salvation is of God. He can forgive any one whom He wishes to forgive including the sin of "living in adultery/" Consider David who was after God's own heart, Scripture say. He IS in heaven!
Of course he can, and he will/did. Who even indicated he would not be forgiven?
What you are missing is, had David not sought forgiveness, was sorry and repentant, he would not have been forgiven.
In OSAS's book, repentance, being sorry, and asking forgiveness is not necessary.
Of course he can, and he will/did. Who even indicated he would not be forgiven?
What you are missing is, had David not sought forgiveness, was sorry and repentant, he would not have been forgiven.
In OSAS's book, repentance, being sorry, and asking forgiveness is not necessary.
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SCRIPTURALLY Paul is saying, "abortion may be lawful for me," but not all things are beneficial. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be dominated by anything. (1 Corinthians 6:12)
Should Christian doctors murder unborn babies because it is lawful according to the law of the land, or should they not be dominated by the law of the land and instead walk according to the Spirit for which there is no condemnation?
You tell me. Who do we follow, God or mammon?
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WRONG- If God does NOT intervene in our lives we will still be lost!
Ezekiel 36:23-29
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 ¶ Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
Unfortunately it is you who do not know! Man is spiritually dead and it is impossible for him to have a free will, let alone about the things that relate to God. Read again Ezekiel 36 above.
To God Be The Glory
TheslightestID
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Again, God does not interfere with free will, but suit yourself.
How precious is that, lol.
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TheslightestID
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Who said God didn't intervein? All I said was, he doesn't overide free will.
I think you are confused and need to pay closer attention to exactly what is being said here.
Also, you are making unfounded accusations, and skipping past my asking you to prove those accusations, so either answer the requests to prove, or don't expext further replies from me.
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There IS NO OSAS book! This subject about OSAS elude many BECAUSE they do not understand the meaning of salvation.
Your kind of salvation as you've indicated throughout this OP does not include infants because you say to be forgiven one has to repent.
Did not Scripture indicate John the Baptist was saved in his mother's womb? Could he have repented while in his mother's womb?
In fact, Scripture stipulates in John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
To God Be The Glory
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TheslightestID
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Lol. It was an expression, one that would be too much trouble to try to explain to you....way too much.
You are now desperate enough to try to use extenuating circumstances as the norm. Its an old trick that I'm not even going to bother with.
You still have not addressed your false accusations against me, so, for now we are done here.
Read my lips: "there is no such a thing as "free will." Jesus said: "without me you can't do anything!"
Oh, don't get me wrong. We can choose what time to get up in the morning, what breakfast to eat, what suit and shoes to wear....etc, but "free will" to choose for God? Nope!
To God Be The Glory
BarneyFife
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What else would a perfect yardstick be? You used the term. What a bore. Pardon me while I slip into a coma.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)
Let's just call it a day.
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